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LordArgh posted:the ingersoll served in the pacific theater and would therefore not have been shooting at nazis https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsun_Gruppe
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drat im confused now was it all just a case of mistaken identity?? i have to call my dad
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buglord posted:Maybe reach out to him on it? He seems to genuinely want to do better and redoes episodes if he thinks he did a poor job of explaining something. It could be malice but he’s one of the few folks I’d give the benefit of the doubt to. This isn't a small omission or me being pedantic about some stupid detail. It's a huge glaring error. He treats Yugoslavia signing the Pact as Yugoslavia fully and completely joining the Axis with everything that entails. In reality the whole thing was mostly symbolic. Getting Hitler to agree to respect Yugoslav sovereignty, that German troops would not be allowed to move across Yugoslav territory, and that Yugoslavia would not have to do anything militarily to help Germany were HUGE concessions. The guy not only has a special video about Prince Paul where he unequivocally states that after the signing of the Pact that German troops were going to invade Greece through Yugoslavia he repeats the same lie in one of his regular weekly videos and even has a special video just about the coup that removed Prince Paul from power where he declares the British had no involvement. It's a very traditional British propaganda view. It's some slimy poo poo.
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The mosin nagant is a cool gun and I wish I owned one
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buglord posted:
My grandpa had these videos and they were indeed rad as heck.
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Burt once threatened to ban me for racism in another GBS WWII thread because I was using abbreviations when comparing nation's pre-war manufacturing capacity. Ex. "Ger, Usa, Rus, Jap, Fra". If I recall he said, "that's intolerant and I don't stand for that kind of stuff".
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buglord posted:
this is extremely the poo poo because it is also narrated by Laurence Olivier
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Blistex posted:Burt once threatened to ban me for racism in another GBS WWII thread because I was using abbreviations when comparing nation's pre-war manufacturing capacity. Ex. "Ger, Usa, Rus, Jap, Fra". Yeah, he was kind of a stupid oval office.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:He said that Yugoslavia's signing of the Tripartite Pact was going to allow German troops to move through the country, when they were very specifically forbidden from doing that by the agreement. Nazi Germany is well known for respecting its treaty obligations like lol Yugoslavia literally joined the Axis in a defensive alliance in accordance with the pact, gently caress 'em I'm glad they got couped Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:The UK was loving evil as hell in WW2 and listening to people defend them or Churchill is nauseating. There are way better ways to argue this than "plucky little fascist yugoslavia" Fojar38 fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Jul 18, 2020 |
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soundtrack for this thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg0Tmydj29M
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recently finished a book about the '44 warsaw uprising. reading that was pretty goddamn bleak
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Fojar38 posted:Nazi Germany is well known for respecting its treaty obligations Before agreeing to join the Axis Prince Paul begged the British and Americans for guarantees or any kind of help and got none. He wanted to protect Yugoslavians. As a human being he was probably an rear end because he was born royalty and his life was all about being rich and loving England and pretty things, and he probably was pretty anti-communist in his heart, but he wasn't a fascist. I'm sad about what happened to the people of Yugoslavia and I do blame the British for a lot of it.
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Animal-Mother posted:soundtrack for this thread: Still hum this to myself occasionally
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Who What Now posted:The mosin nagant is a cool gun and I wish I owned one any of the bolt actions would be rad but id work out so that i could shoulder a mosin nagant carbine
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Blistex posted:Burt once threatened to ban me for racism in another GBS WWII thread because I was using abbreviations when comparing nation's pre-war manufacturing capacity. Ex. "Ger, Usa, Rus, Jap, Fra". Very surprising what Burt did and didn’t stand for
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You need to get a Mosin and Obrez that poo poo, son. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAXL5iP1YWA
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Story about one of the Japanese pilots who attacked pearl harbor and crash landed in Hawaii: https://www.damninteresting.com/incident-on-niihau-island/
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When talking about WW2 it must always be in your mind that the Nazis started it because they intended to genocide basically everyone but a very small racial group. The Holocaust is not a byproduct or something they decided to do when they were winning, but what they aimed to do. Because Nazi race science is incredibly evil and incredibly dumb. You have your Aryans, who are the Nordic people, so the Germans, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes, and the Dutch. Basically anyone that had their origins in Germanic tribes that had a somewhat unified culture, anyone that had a form of Odin in their mythology. Plus Blond haired and Blue Eyed people were common. But because the nazis were a bunch of failsons and protogoons, they envied high culture found in France and England. They would cosplay as English Nobles and go on fox hunts and other imitative crap. Because of this they had the concept of the Torch or Cupbearer Races (i've seen both used in historical studies), that is Races that aren't quite as good as the Aryans, but have a place in the New Order. But then you have the Subhumans; the Jews, the Slavs, the Roma, the Gays, Black people, Arabs and North Africans. These people would be completely exterminated, did not deserve to exist. They contributed nothing to humanity. This lead to some hilarious things like all Jewish science needed to be removed from Germany and replaced with proper, Aryan science. If you know the amount of stuff that the Jewish people have contributed to the sciences, you can see how this would turn out. They were always planning on killing millions. The war was started to do that, the Living Space that Hitler went on about wasn't just displacing people, but their extermination. So everytime I see someone try to say "Well, the allies were just as bad" I get incredibly upset because its completely obscuring just how evil Nazi ideology is. Yes the Allies did terrible things in prosecution of the war, but FDR didn't tell his Generals to murder, rape and loot as much as they can because the Germans are not worthy of existence. Even in the Pacific War, where Racism was a definitive part of the war, more so than in the European theater, but outside of a few people in the US government, there was no idea that they'd just murder them all, destroy all the accomplishments and erase them from history. There were some Racists who thought that would be a good idea, but its America, of course there's some crazy racists in the government. At worst there was an plan floated to destroy Japan's industrial development and turn it into a purely agrarian nation. Also, when thinking that a Jagpanther is cool, or an Me-262 is an amazing peace of technology, remember that those were made to further a goal of genocide. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 03:55 on Jul 18, 2020 |
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We got Catch-22 out of the deal, too
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WW2 always lists its sources in the show notes, so you can check those on the episode about Prince Paul. Looking at the comments, a number of people in them say that his rehabilitation was done during the Yugoslavian civil war in the 90s so I'm not 100% convinced he was completely innocent, though i think the assessment he was in a damned if he did, damned if he didn't situation where there were no good choices. Though this is not my area of expertese. That's most about the workings of the Nazi state, plus its nearly 20 years any my memory is pretty hazy on even that. Too bad I do not have my rejected thesis statement, not rejected because its contents, but because it was not written in proper academic style. gently caress that gatekeeping.
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Sunswipe posted:You need to get a Mosin and Obrez that poo poo, son. practically every conversation about mosins manages to turn into discussing the obrez. unfortunately im not a russian bear hunter and so my wrists are more used to holding a phone than they are being decimated by nightmare weapons and im feeling pretty good about that. maybe if i jerk off a ton to build wrist strength, I'll be able to fire one without ultra-hospitalization.
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I went to WWII and they were all out so I said gently caress it and got two Koreas and your MOTHER pregnant.
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buglord posted:China is an interesting country during WW2 because they're fighting the Japanese, the communists, and trying to corral the local warlords into helping all while doing so. A lot of countries in WW2 are facing internal strife while fighting war of extinction, but I think the amount of internal chaos that the Chinas have to manage takes the cake. That country is a pretty tragic tale because all the human suffering started well before Hitler invaded Poland and started the European theater, and then once the Japanese surrendered in 1945 they went back to finishing their civil war with the communists for another 4 years. It's unsurprisingly horrible for the civilians, who are trying to be neutral enough not to be considered a traitor by any of the murderous factions/countries occupying their homes. thanks buglord I put this on my reading list
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I read about some super high altitude dogfighting (50,000 ft) where because bomber and fighter had both been super optimised for high altitude, that the dogfight way less loop-de-loops and dakka dakka and more slow dance of death with and Flea and airspeed being incredibly important
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Huh... I was told by an old man that you loved World War 2, which is probably my second favourite war. My first favourite is a fictional one with aliens, but also when people mention World War 2 I complain about how they don't respect World War 1 enough and google how many people died. I know about "trench foot" now.
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Unleash the weimarboos
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Schweinhund posted:Story about one of the Japanese pilots who attacked pearl harbor and crash landed in Hawaii: Very interesting, thanks! It turns out when basically the entire population of Earth starts mobilising and doing war and inventing loads of new stuff, amazing experiences become ten a penny, because of the sheer amount of stuff happening at any one time. Hanna Reitsch was a Nazi rear end in a top hat, but also an absolute bad rear end who flew the last plane out of Berlin when the Russians arrived, in addition to being the first woman to fly a jet, and a helicopter, and a rocket plane. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanna_Reitsch Reading about her led me to Eric Brown, who flew more varieties of plane than anyone in history, frequently with no training apart from reading a manual in a foreign language. He also made about 2500 landings and takeoffs from aircraft carriers, including the torpedoed Audacity, of which he was the sole survivor. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Brown_(pilot)
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feelix posted:Huh... I was told by an old man that you loved World War 2, which is probably my second favourite war. My first favourite is a fictional one with aliens, but also when people mention World War 2 I complain about how they don't respect World War 1 enough and google how many people died. I know about "trench foot" now. which old man
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El_Elegante posted:which old man https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3710941
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Animal-Mother posted:soundtrack for this thread: Now I need to find my discs and see if this game still runs on Windows 10.
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:The guy not only has a special video about Prince Paul https://youtu.be/6GQfY5zGKJ0
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Im the pilots who firebombed tokyo and killed a hundred k civilians
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Collapsing Farts posted:Just doin my job Thinkin about being back home kissing my best girl.
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unity of command 2 is a very good game if you want to bash the fash at the army/army group level. There is an ahistorical track where you can do wild things like have the western allies fight the ussr over polish self determination
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:unity of command 2 is a very good game if you want to bash the fash at the army/army group level. There is an ahistorical track where you can do wild things like have the western allies fight the ussr over polish self determination In halo you can ride in a jeep and shoot aliens
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Jestery posted:I read about some super high altitude dogfighting (50,000 ft) where because bomber and fighter had both been super optimised for high altitude, that the dogfight way less loop-de-loops and dakka dakka and more slow dance of death with and It’s because the air is so thin at those altitudes propeller driven aircraft don’t generate much lift, so it’s difficult to even keep the airplane in the air. Basically since propellers are very similar to airfoils there’s less “grip” for them to generate thrust, which impedes the wing’s ability to generate lift in an environment where they’re not really generating much anyway. But 50k is stretching it. The Ta-152 could technically do that, but the service ceiling of a B-17G is only a little more than 35,000 so there wouldn’t be much of a reason to be up that high in the first place. The best high altitude fighter was unequivocally the P-51D and that goes for both the European and Pacific theaters. And in this case the term “best” means a whole more than “the airplane that could go the highest” or “its specifications say it could x on paper.”
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twistedmentat posted:When talking about WW2 it must always be in your mind that the Nazis started it because they intended to genocide basically everyone but a very small racial group. The Holocaust is not a byproduct or something they decided to do when they were winning, but what they aimed to do. I can’t quote this post enough. Also re: Wunderwaffe (and a lot of combat vehicles built post 1943) the ones that did get completed were built by slave labor in caves because forcing people to work to their death furthers genocide but it also backfired big time because those same workers would sabotage the poo poo out things.
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