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Universe Master posted:Nazi sympathizer Charles Lindbergh shot down a Japanese plane as a civilian because he just showed up at an island airfield one day. The year was 1958.
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Jul 18, 2020 17:26
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I actually invented WWII
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Jul 18, 2020 18:23
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Junk posted:I actually invented WWII Me, early game: The Germans seriously need a nerf Me, late game: *afraid to ask for a buff*
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Jul 18, 2020 18:37
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Julius CSAR posted:I can’t quote this post enough. I recently discovered that Wunderwaffe is used by Germans to describe something big, expensive, and useless. ALSO the idea that prewar Germany was a prosperous and wonderful place is also a myth. The entire thing was built on credit that was promised on the plunder that would be taken in the upcoming war. Plus the Nazis worked hand in hand with the big companies and the wealthy to make sure workers were content that they wouldn't cause trouble. And even then, the wages of workers were still lower than preDepression era Wiemar Germany. And the oppression and exploitation already existed. All Unions were disbanded and their leaders sent to Dachau, and replaced with one big Nazi Union that was basically 'Work for the glory of Germany, and you'll get a vacation, but complain about the long hours and low pay *gun to head motion*". Germans also made some dumb mistakes when building late war stuff. Like the Panther, early versions needed a special tool to remove the engine cover. Inside the engine took up all the space in the compartment with a space that was exactly the size of that tool. So if you dropped the tool down the side down of the engine, its gone. And you were only issued one. Why would you do this? Why not just use a regular tool that there were probably millions floating around. Plus the amount of men and materials devoted to just murdering people was massive. Especially in the USSR, where that could have been used on the front, as the Germans had exhausted their reserves within a few weeks of the operations starting. I'd recommend, if you can stomach it because the movie is incredibly brutal, but the Russian movie Come and See. It's about a 14 year old boy who joins Partisans during the invasion of the Soviet Union. It's shot like a horror movie, because it was. As I said, you can think German equipment was cool form an aesthetic or engineering POV but never forget what they represent.
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Jul 18, 2020 18:51
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Also why you should never buy a German car
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Jul 18, 2020 19:54
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I always wonder why the Germans didn't stop to France when they saw that they couldn't break into Britain. The answer seems to be Genocide, and debts. quick edit: Also, and that I already knew, Nazis are stupid and prideful.
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Jul 18, 2020 20:40
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twistedmentat posted:I'd recommend, if you can stomach it because the movie is incredibly brutal, but the Russian movie Come and See. It's about a 14 year old boy who joins Partisans during the invasion of the Soviet Union. It's shot like a horror movie, because it was. I just watched this a few weeks ago and it really is a great movie.
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Jul 18, 2020 21:16
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Bleusilences posted:I always wonder why the Germans didn't stop to France when they saw that they couldn't break into Britain. By the time they defeated France, Hitler was 100% convinced that Germany was going to fulfill what he saw as their destiny and gave himself about 95% of the credit for their success.
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Jul 18, 2020 21:49
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A lot of people think wwii was a great time. A real big party. It wasn't though.
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Jul 18, 2020 21:55
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MakaVillian posted:By the time they defeated France, Hitler was 100% convinced that Germany was going to fulfill what he saw as their destiny and gave himself about 95% of the credit for their success. The quick fall of France was more about the French not wanting to go through the horrors of WW1 again, rather than losing another entire generation to war.
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Jul 18, 2020 22:07
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i know this is a spicy take in this day and age but Nazis are terrible. I can provide an academic source for this if requested
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Jul 18, 2020 22:09
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twistedmentat posted:The quick fall of France was more about the French not wanting to go through the horrors of WW1 again, rather than losing another entire generation to war. Oh absolutely French morale was crushed after the success of the German pincer through the Ardennes (except briefly in early June). I was talking about how Hitler saw the German successes going back to Munich and gave himself way too much credit for the fall of France.
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Jul 18, 2020 22:18
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Im america taking credit for beating the nazis even though i didnt enter the war until the germans were already turbofucked by the russians Im all the heroic movies about american bravado in ww2 even though the russians destroyed two thirds of the german army and massacred all their veterans so all america fought were skeleton crews, newbies and literal children
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Jul 18, 2020 22:42
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I mean if you'd prefer the us not fight the Nazis for you going forward you could have said so
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Jul 18, 2020 22:57
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Just make some movies about the eastern front ok
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Jul 18, 2020 23:00
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Uh, they did? It's called Pearl Harbor. Maybe you've heard of that?
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Jul 18, 2020 23:02
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Stop trolling me this instant!
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Jul 18, 2020 23:06
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You see the japanese were preparing for last stand lalalalala the atom bombs were actually lalalala many lives were saved lalalalala it wasn't a war crime lalalala my research has public funding lalalala they wouldn't display the enola gay in a museum if it was lalalalala i can't hear you lalalal i get to juxtapose actual casualties against hypothetical ones because lalalala gently caress you
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Jul 18, 2020 23:25
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....a simple "Yes." By all means sir, drop that fucker, twice!
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Jul 18, 2020 23:36
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Big Beef City posted:I mean if you'd prefer the us not fight the Nazis for you going forward you could have said so I think we'd all quite like it if you'd at least not have one as your president.
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Jul 18, 2020 23:49
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Julius CSAR posted:It’s because the air is so thin at those altitudes propeller driven aircraft don’t generate much lift, so it’s difficult to even keep the airplane in the air. Basically since propellers are very similar to airfoils there’s less “grip” for them to generate thrust, which impedes the wing’s ability to generate lift in an environment where they’re not really generating much anyway. This is where I heard about it https://youtu.be/8WDkj0ZYuiA It was around 45000 ft and basically a dick waving contest
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Jul 18, 2020 23:50
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when australian troops went to kokoda they only had broom sticks
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Jul 19, 2020 00:23
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Merrills Marauders got owned by disease and lack of supplies but also killed lots of Japanese people
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Jul 19, 2020 00:43
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The Japanese Government were totally willing to let their entire population die to fend off an American invasion. Primary sources directly from the high command confirm this. You can find many civilian politicians saying "this war is hosed up, we need to stop now, honor and all that poo poo be damned" but by 1945 there was zero civilian control over the Japanese government, so that is pretty meaningless. And to use it to try to claim the Japanese were begging to surrender is incredibly historically dishonest. Also, from Saipan and other Islands with Japanese civilians, it was already shown that many were ready to kill themselves rather than face what they believed would be a fate worse than death if the Americans took the Island. And even if they weren't ready to fling themselves into the sea, the Japanese Army was more than willing to make the decision for them. Remember, people living in Japan at that time had never known a society that was not tied up in all kinds of macho bullshit claimed to be Bushido, the 40k motto"It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself" is incredibly true. People knew no other life but complete and utter service to the Emperor and his role as Divine head of state. Reading some stuff written by surviving WW2 Japanese soldiers shows a kind of insane devotion that cannot be matched, even by the most fanatical Waffen-SS trooper or Hitler Youth. They knew they could not defeat the American's by direct conflict, but they believed that the Americans were soft and if you killed enough of their soldiers, they'd sign a peace with the Japanese. Though the Americans felt that the Japanese could not compete with strapping American soldiers, and went into most of their battles over confident. I am not saying that dropping two bombs on Japan was good or bad, but a lot of arguments I see against it seem to completely ignore the facts surrounding how Japan was organized, and the state of mind of its population. The fact that Operation Olympic never happened means that we will never know of the multi million causalities projected may have happened, but as I said above, what happened on islands the Americans had taken was a hearld of things to come. They originally wanted to drop it on Kyoto because it was in a valley which would make the bomb much more effective, but was overruled because it was the cultural and spiritual heart of Japan and by then they were already drawing up plans for post war Japan and they knew they needed the Emperor to remain there to prevent a new fascist, or worse, communist, regime to take over. That is often cited as an example of why the decision to drop it was a practical one, but i mean, why not drop it on an military target , or even a uninhabited place? Also, the dropping of both bombs still pales in comparison to the causalities the Japanese inflicted on China. It's probably as bad as the civilian casualties in Barbarossa. twistedmentat fucked around with this message at 01:06 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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Jul 19, 2020 01:01
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Kelly's Heroes is a good Vietnam movie set in World War 2.
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Jul 19, 2020 01:22
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OKay, my top 5 WW2 Tanks (and other AFVs)! 1. Panzer IV Ausf H  What I think is the best German tank. It may not be as well armored as a the Panther, but it as about the same gun, but it is much less complex and easier to build. 2. Sherman Firefly  Sherman with an British 17 pounder gun. Could destroy almost anything the Germans could throw at them in the late war due to the sabot round it used. 3. T-34-85  This is a big middle finger to the Nazis made into a tank. 4. Churchill  A great tank named after a horrible person. 5. Jagpanzer 38t (aka Hetzer)  A little tank destroyer that was perfect for being a anti-tank sniper. Though it had issues doing the shoot and scoot it was meant to.
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Jul 19, 2020 01:57
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Collapsing Farts posted:Im america taking credit for beating the nazis even though i didnt enter the war until the germans were already turbofucked by the russians You seem to be getting your sequence of events confused
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Jul 19, 2020 02:11
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I recently learned that SPAM has been a staple in Okinawa since ww2. Really weird uses for it there too.
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Jul 19, 2020 02:23
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twistedmentat posted:The Japanese Government were totally willing to let their entire population die to fend off an American invasion. Primary sources directly from the high command confirm this. You can find many civilian politicians saying "this war is hosed up, we need to stop now, honor and all that poo poo be damned" but by 1945 there was zero civilian control over the Japanese government, so that is pretty meaningless. And to use it to try to claim the Japanese were begging to surrender is incredibly historically dishonest. I did an undergrad paper on the bombings and I came to the conclusion after reading the literature that it saved a significant number of lives for the reasons you point out. I think there is a valid debate on whether the US needed to bomb 2 large cities, rather than one city and another strictly military target or uninhibited area. Operation Downfall would've resulted in horrific casualties so I think, as awful as the bombs were, they saved a lot of lives.
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Jul 19, 2020 02:24
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The only significance of the bombs at the time as well was their sheer efficiency compared to conventional munitions; a lot of the handwringing over them is post-facto due to what they would come to symbolize. The simple act of bombing civilian targets was something that everyone had accepted as a thing that was happening at that point in the war.
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Jul 19, 2020 02:31
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Collapsing Farts posted:Im the pilots who firebombed tokyo and killed a hundred k civilians haha nice man I did dresden
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Jul 19, 2020 02:33
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MakaVillian posted:I did an undergrad paper on the bombings and I came to the conclusion after reading the literature that it saved a significant number of lives for the reasons you point out. I think there is a valid debate on whether the US needed to bomb 2 large cities, rather than one city and another strictly military target or uninhibited area. Operation Downfall would've resulted in horrific casualties so I think, as awful as the bombs were, they saved a lot of lives. It can be argued both ways, but yea, there is a possibility that "100 million people as once bullet!" slogan the Japanese were using to prepare their population to defense of their homeland. Considering most of their young men were already dead or in service, this was mostly women, old people and children. Though even then, sticking thousands of people with old rifles, muskets, bamboo spears and whatever they could on the front line may have just meant they instantly collapsed and the invasion would be mostly bloodless. But the waiting list for Kamakaze pilots what still hundreds of names long at the end of the war. That reminds me of another thing that makes the Nazis histories biggest assholes. At Normandy, many of the units that were guarding the beaches where not German, but essentially slave soldiers. They would force people from occupied territories into units and plopped into garrison duty with German officers to make sure they shot at the allies rather than them. Many were from the Red Army, so you had guys from the Eastern Soviet union that where in Normandy shooting at Americans, Brits and Canadians. Also in Saving Private Ryan, you might remember the scene where two GIs come across two Germans trying to surrender and they're saying something that the Americans don't know, so they get shot. They're actually Hungarians pressed into German service. When someone says "just old men and boys" being what the Germans have left, you should expect well lead, equipped, trained veteran units. Market Garden was organized based on this idea, and when they made contact with the Germans in Holland, oops, all experienced units! The Brits kept thinking that in WW1 too, only to come across incredibly well entrenched German forces. So basically, if you're at war, and some British officer tells you that you're going up against old men and boys, then be prepared to fight against some of the best soldiers you can imagine.
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Jul 19, 2020 02:57
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I watched a doco on Crete couple of months ago that said the amount of greek partisan fuckery had forced the germans to keep a lot of aircraft and troops there, which in turn effected the amount of men/material that could be used on the eastern front during 1941/42. is it true? Not sure, but interesting nonetheless
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Jul 19, 2020 03:10
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Blistex posted:*every GBS WWII thread* Silly Billy! You forgot about the 10,000 word tank theses!
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Jul 19, 2020 03:16
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Jestery posted:This is where I heard about it That dude loving sucks btw Anyone curious about the reasoning for choosing the bombs over an invasion re: Japan should check out the book “Hell to Pay: Operation Downfall and the Invasion of Japan, 1945-47” by DM Giangreco. He went into the archives of both countries and did research with documents that neither side had released before and it’s pretty stomach churning. Interestingly the internal logistics reports from Japan regarding their military ability to defend japan show that the amount of material they had held back from other fights specifically for home island defense show that the American intelligence estimates, usually considered overblown, were actually far far under the mark. The numbers in the preface alone will put the chill on you real fast. Julius CSAR fucked around with this message at 03:48 on Jul 19, 2020 |
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Jul 19, 2020 03:28
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Big Beef City posted:A lot of people think wwii was a great time. There were actually several parties, and the parties were so wild they killed people. Like a lot of people
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Jul 19, 2020 03:31
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WW2 is cool, but I have always liked studying WW1 more. Long story short, Lol at any country that allies with Germany not getting completely clowned on again and again in any war.
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Jul 19, 2020 03:31
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shooting 4 bullets out of an m1 garand at the dirt in order to reload
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beer gas canister posted:shooting 4 bullets out of an m1 garand at the dirt in order to reload This is as much of a myth as like, Shermans being tinder boxes or “ronsons”. It is in fact perfectly fine to reload your M1 in the middle of a clip. And you’ll be able to collect the clip and put the unused ammo back to good use. Good use being killing nazis by the fu king bushel
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