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Continuity RCP posted:Your position appears to be that the Belarusians can't topple their dictator because some of them are liberals. belarusians can do whatever they want my position is that the neolibs will end up in charge and commence with selling off everything, that's it
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People often demand way too little evidence that leaders utilizing vaguely leftist rhetoric are an anti-imperialist force. It’s pretty rare that comprador governments are obviously and totally in the pocket of some specific imperialist, most try to put on the air of just playing foreigners against each other to reap some benefits if it’s at all possible. Duterte in Philippines is a good example of that type of comprador who manages to initially fool people about being anti-imperialist. Incidentally he’s still managing to fool a lot of ignorant people abroad without even trying to look leftist! IMO, you should listen to imperialists whining about who’s causing trouble for them, and what sort of trouble. I don’t think I’ve ever heard that sort of talk about Lukashenko, he’s always been tolerated with mild criticism about authoritarianism like you see leveled at Hungary. OTOH he really triggers my comprador-sense when he depicts the situation as if the only options were the couple of big scary imperialist forces close by, and the only thing keeping them at bay is him skillfully playing them against each other. The telltale sign of comprador ideology IMO is that the only thing that can protect you from an imperialist are the graces of a less malevolent one (often presented as not imperialist at all, but it depends). uncop has issued a correction as of 12:25 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1295708815053160450?s=19 this is just a poo poo situation entirely, isn't it. Whatever happens, the people of Belarus lose
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Venomous posted:https://twitter.com/franakviacorka/status/1295708815053160450?s=19 Nah, I’m pretty sure the dictator getting kicked out is a net good at this point. Ideally he goes the way of Ceausescu but not holding my breath.
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Zeno-25 posted:What is the worst case outcome for US interests in Belarus? i thought treating countries like chess pieces was bad
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Jordan7hm posted:Nah, I’m pretty sure the dictator getting kicked out is a net good at this point. Ideally he goes the way of Ceausescu but not holding my breath. gently caress u idiot
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Jordan7hm posted:Nah, I’m pretty sure the dictator getting kicked out is a net good at this point. Ideally he goes the way of Ceausescu but not holding my breath.
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I. M. Gei posted:This has nothing to do with politics or Lukashenko, but I gotta ask it here since this thread might be the most relevant place for my question outside of D&D. can you find an escrow service that can arrange for overseas shipment? you're starting to get into a bit of technical territory since you may have to forward your own freight, so before that, are you sure that DHL can't handle it? they can practically walk anyone through a shipment if they get involved
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Jordan7hm posted:Nah, I’m pretty sure the dictator getting kicked out is a net good at this point. Ideally he goes the way of Ceausescu but not holding my breath. beaten but repeating for emphasis: if you ideal scenario is 1990s Romania, holy loving lmao
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Doctor Jeep posted:belarusians can do whatever they want Better things aren’t possible
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Some interesting stuff https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1295764417032921090?s=20 quote:Belarusian opposition leader Maria Kolesnikova, one of the three women that fought Belarus' self-appointed president Alexander Lukashenko in the August 9 presidential elections, says it's too soon for EU sanctions that will only make negotiations with the state more difficult. The do outright quote the Gene Sharp theory of regime change later on without citation though, which is sort of funny. quote:The protests have reached a critical mass and Lukashenko’s rule now appears untenable. Belarus has reached the “3.5% rule” limit: a rule of thumb holds that peaceful protests are twice as likely to succeed than violent ones, and no protest movement that has engaged 3.5% of the population has ever failed. With a population of 10mn, Belarus needs to have 300,000 join the protest to reach this threshold and passed that number at the weekend.
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Коммерсантъ is russian ft basically. Decent reporting on markets, technical stuff Subs cost a pretty penny, but they do tend to get facts right in my experience. Along with another outlet they are the voice of the business class e: i actually realized you were talking about another outlet. my bad, i cannot read. leaving my shame up for all to see. mortons stork has issued a correction as of 19:15 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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I don't know anything about European news outlets, so I'm fine with any clarification. But yeah, if it was unclear I was looking at intellinews. At least with mideast media you just need to look at what gulf state it's based in to know it's point of view
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Maximo Roboto posted:Better things aren’t possible they're possible, just not probable it's called pattern recognition
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iirc Die Welt is basically the German equivalent of the Daily Telegraph, ie. extremely conservative, anti-Russian, and incredibly scummy
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I miss the USSR. ppl who protest should be run over with t34s.
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Continuity RCP posted:Your position appears to be that the Belarusians can't topple their dictator because some of them are liberals.
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Gaupo Guacho posted:pretty much anyone who protests a dictator is by definition a liberal therefore dictators are always preferable. its pretty simple praxis/theory/immortal science stuff. you need to brush up. this is the most tepid poo poo imaginable
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Just ignore the imperialist troll.
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it's weird how all the former Soviet states immediately broke off once the union dissolved. almost like they were colonies gaining independence from an empire that no longer had the power to control them. but that doesn't make sense because empires can only be capitalist
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Its Coke posted:it's weird how all the former Soviet states immediately broke off once the union dissolved. almost like they were colonies gaining independence from an empire that no longer had the power to control them. but that doesn't make sense because empires can only be capitalist A bunch of the republics wanted to the union to continue but literally couldn't once Yeltsin withdrew. In all honesty, if the smaller union had survived, it probably would have led to a bunch better material outcome for the region's population. As for when Lenin was talking about imperialism, he wasn't necessarily talking about the concept of an state dominating other states (which he didn't have a problem with) but particularly how the West conducted itself. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 21:58 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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The Bolsheviks trying to restore the borders of imperial Russia isn't imperialism because Menshevik Georgia and Finland were existential threats to the soviet union
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Continuity RCP posted:The Bolsheviks trying to restore the borders of imperial Russia isn't imperialism because Menshevik Georgia and Finland were existential threats to the soviet union The Bolsheviks went into the Caucasus pretty much just for Baku, and Armenia/Georgia were an afterthought and the Bolsheviks were officially supporting Finnish Communists during their Civil War. Also, the portions of RSFSR was actively occupied by Western/Japanese forces until 1922. I am just going to keep on spitting history.
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I personally don't think the annexations being afterthoughts actually helps
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Continuity RCP posted:I personally don't think the annexations being afterthoughts actually helps At least in Armenia, there was a local Bolshevik uprising that generally paved the way for the Red Army. This was after almost the entirety of Armenia had been occupied/ethnically cleansed by Turkish forces. Georgia was more of a traditional invasion, big part of it was to secure the Baku-Batumi pipeline.
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amazing how all these "ironic" hot takes by the most smooth brained posters is always associated with not knowing any history or theory absolule dullards a plague on the earth reproducing their toxic garbage culture like a virus plague on the human psyche Top City Homo has issued a correction as of 22:44 on Aug 18, 2020 |
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Its Coke posted:it's weird how all the former Soviet states immediately broke off once the union dissolved. almost like they were colonies gaining independence from an empire that no longer had the power to control them. but that doesn't make sense because empires can only be capitalist if you are talking about the constituent Soviet republics, that is one hell of a bad sell there 78% of voters in the 1991 referendum across all constituent states voted to remain together, 113 and a half million votes in favor total, validated independently by the West however that was no loving good for NATO, Gorbachev got wise too goddamned late and realized he had been played and his reforms had to be proposed a good while ago; Yeltsin was ready to go full reckless dumbass mode and he told every local directory to basically go gently caress themselves
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Gorbachev got wise too goddamned late and realized he had been played and his reforms had to be proposed a good while ago
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Top City Homo posted:amazing how all these "ironic" hot takes by the most smooth brained posters is always associated with not knowing any history or theory its definitely not a dead-end in history that hasn't been relevant for thirty years
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:Not to exculpate everyone else involved (internal or external) but Gorby played himself from day 1 and has nobody to blame but himself first that's more or less what I meant lmao Gaupo Guacho posted:its definitely not a dead-end in history that hasn't been relevant for thirty years yet the ghost of it still haunts the poo poo out of liberals for some reason
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Gaupo Guacho posted:don't worry, although you're a sad and angry person now, marxism will eventually prevail World's most powerful country (in a few years) is at very least a de jure Marxist-Leninist state. Also, quite a few countries it does business with/backs are run by Marxist-Leninist parties. (There is an ongoing debate in the East Asia thread on how M-List the PRC is in the East Asia thread.)
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Vietnam right now is deffo more communist than the PRC haha
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dead gay comedy forums posted:Vietnam right now is deffo more communist than the PRC haha They are pretty similar in reality.
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the holy roman empire was neither holy, nor roman, nor an empire
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Gaupo Guacho posted:don't worry, although you're a sad and angry person now, marxism will eventually prevail Im going to press the post history button in this post and see what happens
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mortons stork posted:I have one contribution to make to this thread, knowing very little about belarus, being focused far more on russia myself. this interview was good. the one writer's disdain for pro-Soviet YouTube was sort of funny. Are Soviet YouTube channels really that influential, or does that writer just have a political disagreement with them.
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Atrocious Joe posted:this interview was good. the one writer's disdain for pro-Soviet YouTube was sort of funny. Are Soviet YouTube channels really that influential, or does that writer just have a political disagreement with them. soviet youtube is very informative and many are active in organizing labor unions or discussing marxism, communist revolutions and soviet and russian history in incredible detail unseen in english channels i think he has problems with academic marxists who ignore organizing and and recommend waiting out all recent revolutionary moments
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