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mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Top City Homo posted:

soviet youtube is very informative and many are active in organizing labor unions or discussing marxism, communist revolutions and soviet and russian history in incredible detail unseen in english channels

i think he has problems with academic marxists who ignore organizing and and recommend waiting out all recent revolutionary moments

sounds like ive been majorly missing out on soviet youtube. who are the creators worth following?

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D.Ork Bimboolean
Aug 26, 2016

Gaupo Guacho posted:

don't worry, although you're a sad and angry person now, marxism will eventually prevail

its definitely not a dead-end in history that hasn't been relevant for thirty years

How many people does the CIA have to kill to prove to you that socialism doesn't work!

VomitOnLino
Jun 13, 2005

Sometimes I get lost.

mortons stork posted:

sounds like ive been majorly missing out on soviet youtube. who are the creators worth following?

Hell, same.
*Clicks "I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
I caught up with reading the DnD thread about Eastern Europe, which I recommend for all to read as well due to several Belarusians being present and updating daily about the struggle.
An interesting thing came out wrt some of the opposition parties coalesced around Tikhanovskaya having some deranged stuff in their political platform, which they immediately deleted when being called out on it. I can't access most of those websites, but I could find an archived version of one of those parties.

http://archive.is/zabelarus.com

It confirms a lot of fears expressed here wrt privatization (esp. healthcare, as it advocates transition to mixed public-private system, abolishing price controls on medical services, spending review and so on; also urban development reform isn't very promising though it does contain some good stuff on environmental protection legislation proposals; also advocates for reducing employer contributions to pension funds, letting in international capital etc.). Some of it was in Belarusian, so I can't really help with that.
There's also a quickly deleted part of the program that was basically a translated and copypasted from Ukraine platform on "internal security reform", ie banning Russian influence, joining nato and so on, and that is likely what counter-campaigns in the media will focus on AND it might be what gets the Russians moving onto Belarus for real.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011
Apparently Russian strikebreakers are now replacing striking Belarusians in newsrooms and media outlets.

Suplex Liberace
Jan 18, 2012



lol i dont think thats a good thing

ContinuityNewTimes
Dec 30, 2010

Я выдуман напрочь

Suplex Liberace posted:

lol i dont think thats a good thing

Fraternal assistance

I. M. Gei
Jun 26, 2005

CHIEFS

BITCH



Victory Position posted:

can you find an escrow service that can arrange for overseas shipment? you're starting to get into a bit of technical territory since you may have to forward your own freight, so before that, are you sure that DHL can't handle it? they can practically walk anyone through a shipment if they get involved

DHL could work, I guess.

What service of their’s am I looking for, specifically? I’ve never done this before.

I. M. Gei has issued a correction as of 17:12 on Aug 19, 2020

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


vyelkin posted:

Apparently Russian strikebreakers are now replacing striking Belarusians in newsrooms and media outlets.

from cradle of the revolution to scab exporter :smith:

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Jordan7hm posted:

Nah, I’m pretty sure the dictator getting kicked out is a net good at this point. Ideally he goes the way of Ceausescu but not holding my breath.

how did romania do when Ceausescu was removed. how has ukraine done since maidan. how come liberals lack pattern recognition

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

I. M. Gei posted:

DHL could work, I guess.

What service of their’s am I looking for, specifically? I’ve never done this before.

if DHL can pick up from the place directly, you would look at something like this and arrange door-to-door service: https://www.dhl.com/pl-en/home/our-divisions/global-forwarding/air-freight.html

it'll be more expensive if you get them in the middle of customs, but they'll walk you through everything

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

mortons stork posted:

sounds like ive been majorly missing out on soviet youtube. who are the creators worth following?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ_LYRUJzBfh-mvU14xCNMw

excellent history channel from marxist perspective one of my favs

run by union of marxists with lead spokesman being a trained and active historian teacher and labor organizer

news and marxist analysis

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2qoLqo8RuV4P_88yhHCZIg

ML theory and documentaries on revolutions one of my favs

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSxkOyMUNEwrGH6AT7SG3BQ

another favorite Dmitriy Puchkov and Klim Zhukov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9x586YoSVE&list=PLQCYG6lKBuTZrSoPMNSUCI_lS0BBBK7it

Dmitriy has many people on discussing films, history marxist tendencies, myths about the soviet era etc and Klim Zhukov is one of the best soviet and marxist russian historians there is

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

mila kunis posted:

how did romania do when Ceausescu was removed. how has ukraine done since maidan. how come liberals lack pattern recognition

Maybe they know what is going on...they just don't care?

Anyway, to me, the Belarussian opposition really do need to be clear exactly what they want. Was the website just representing a fringe view that isn't shared by the others or does it? I would say the ambiguity isn't helping and trying to just bluff their way forward is only going to go so far. I mean it is hard for me to see how it is great for workers to put themselves on the line protest against a corrupt, abusive government only for the opposition to potentially totally undercut their interests.

To clear the program that was proposed was far more radical than what Lukashenko and I don't think there is a country in the former Soviet space or eastern Europe without a centralized public health care system of some form. In addition, all the other proposed measures would most likely be similarly unpopular.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:07 on Aug 19, 2020

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

Top City Homo posted:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ_LYRUJzBfh-mvU14xCNMw

excellent history channel from marxist perspective one of my favs

run by union of marxists with lead spokesman being a trained and active historian teacher and labor organizer

news and marxist analysis

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2qoLqo8RuV4P_88yhHCZIg

ML theory and documentaries on revolutions one of my favs

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSxkOyMUNEwrGH6AT7SG3BQ

another favorite Dmitriy Puchkov and Klim Zhukov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9x586YoSVE&list=PLQCYG6lKBuTZrSoPMNSUCI_lS0BBBK7it

Dmitriy has many people on discussing films, history marxist tendencies, myths about the soviet era etc and Klim Zhukov is one of the best soviet and marxist russian historians there is

Looks like I'll have a bunch of pleasant commutes and evenings. Thanks a lot for this!

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

mortons stork posted:

Looks like I'll have a bunch of pleasant commutes and evenings. Thanks a lot for this!

:hai:

https://youtu.be/-pp7Kxl-Q9g

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Big Ukraine story right now: treacle monopolies
https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1296844356498919425?s=20

Looks like Navalny is going to actually be allowed to be transported to Germany.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1296843499862659077?s=20

quote:

Dr. Yaroslav Ashikhmin, Navalny’s physician in Moscow, earlier dismissed the idea that it would be dangerous to move the patient. He told The Associated Press that being on a plane with specialized equipment, including a ventilator and a machine that can do the work of the heart and lungs, “can be even safer than staying in a hospital in Omsk.”
Is this describing an ECMO machine? I only learned about all this since COVID began, but if he needs to be on an ECMO machine, he seems sort of hosed.

The Belarus opposition got an exciting French supporter
https://twitter.com/AliAbunimah/status/1296428385569329153?s=20

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

Atrocious Joe posted:

Looks like Navalny is going to actually be allowed to be transported to Germany.
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1296843499862659077?s=20
Is this describing an ECMO machine? I only learned about all this since COVID began, but if he needs to be on an ECMO machine, he seems sort of hosed.

Navalny's been kicking this entire time? did Putin need a guy to constantly poo poo on?

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Victory Position posted:

Navalny's been kicking this entire time? did Putin need a guy to constantly poo poo on?

zhirinovsky still exists

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

gorbachev is still alive

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

i say swears online posted:

gorbachev is still alive

no one cares

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Would like to take a moment and say to the person on the av-buying spree: What the fuck is wrong with you? Fucking disagreeing on the wording of polling questions means that I support Israel murdering people in Gaza? And somehow despite caring enough to plaster that fucking pic

Top City Homo posted:

no one cares

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


i say swears online posted:

gorbachev is still alive

he is not exactly an inspiring and popular figure op, especially after trying to cozy up a friendlier image to liberals after all went down

and Russian liberals are the most despised group there lmao

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lol i meant as a target for putin to pick on for easy points, not an inspiring figure of the opposition

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

i say swears online posted:

lol i meant as a target for putin to pick on for easy points, not an inspiring figure of the opposition

there is no real opposition just a beaten down corpse fed on by vampires

This generation will be hated by the russian communist youth growing up

i mean those guys are ready to machine gun them all and they are organizing to make it happen

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS


lmao what

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
So we will see how Sunday turns out, but at least according to the Western media, the protests in Belarus are smaller (and anecdotally the streams I have seen back this up. In addition, pro-Lukashenko protests have become more numerous, the narrative in the Guardian seems to be this is due to a security crackdown (which hadn't stopped protesters in the beginning), but I really do think the release of that opposition website was an inflection point (so far).

It is a good example of how the population of Eastern Europe/the former Soviet Union is endlessly trapped by either autocrats or weirdo shock-therapy liberal nationalists (oppressive stability versus the freedom to starve).

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 19:09 on Aug 22, 2020

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Looks like a pretty big turnout
https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1297525985944965121?s=20

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1TJNPVqpEw

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Top City Homo posted:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQ_LYRUJzBfh-mvU14xCNMw

excellent history channel from marxist perspective one of my favs

run by union of marxists with lead spokesman being a trained and active historian teacher and labor organizer

news and marxist analysis

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2qoLqo8RuV4P_88yhHCZIg

ML theory and documentaries on revolutions one of my favs

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSxkOyMUNEwrGH6AT7SG3BQ

another favorite Dmitriy Puchkov and Klim Zhukov

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9x586YoSVE&list=PLQCYG6lKBuTZrSoPMNSUCI_lS0BBBK7it

Dmitriy has many people on discussing films, history marxist tendencies, myths about the soviet era etc and Klim Zhukov is one of the best soviet and marxist russian historians there is

So going through some of this. There's a claim that the military branches of the government siphoned large amounts of resources on vanity projects, ones that could have been used for social and civil projects. Akin to something like the military industrial complex in America. One example being the development of the Buran as part of the arms race against USA, even though there was no real use for it.

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
so when russia sent those media people in to "assist" it appears they sent in the worst failsons sputnik had https://twitter.com/TadeuszGiczan/status/1297543868024528898

twoday
May 4, 2005



C-SPAM Times best-selling author
https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1303675941328216068?s=19

woah

They said it would be 3x the subsistence minimum, which comes out to ~32,000 rubles (~$420), similar to the average monthly salary.

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
gonna lol myself into an early grave if the petroligarchy the west instituted to destroy communism manages to outflank most western governments from the left

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


mortons stork posted:

gonna lol myself into an early grave if the petroligarchy the west instituted to destroy communism manages to outflank most western governments from the left

but they already did?

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

mortons stork posted:

gonna lol myself into an early grave if the petroligarchy the west instituted to destroy communism manages to outflank most western governments from the left

don't worry it will also make sure that western liberals refuse to ever consider UBI because it's communism

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i think this decade is going to be wild since we're looking at a prolonged depression with various governments shifting into semi-planned economies with new wars breaking out

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i think this decade is going to be wild since we're looking at a prolonged depression with various governments shifting into semi-planned economies with new wars breaking out

the funny thing is, first one who commits to central planning is going to leapfrog ahead

Xi Jinping might have been too hasty in telling everybody in the CCP they are going to stay with their market system, because this is the moment - iirc and afaik - some party theorists say that the Full Mao Mode was made for

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012
Im not sure the Russian economy can go full command mode anymore. It would be a painful divorce from the oligarchic class which they basically fused into the ruling elite

Malkina_
May 13, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

twoday posted:

https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1303675941328216068?s=19

woah

They said it would be 3x the subsistence minimum, which comes out to ~32,000 rubles (~$420), similar to the average monthly salary.

Watch western liberals proclaim Putin pursuing UBI is proof Russian MEGAHITLER is trying to Make Russia Great Again #MAGA style

Libs been programmed into reactionary assholes with RussiaGate by the letter agencies for 4 years now

Malkina_ has issued a correction as of 20:00 on Sep 9, 2020

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






lovely governments can do good things

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Malkina_
May 13, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

spankmeister posted:

lovely governments can do good things

Too bad ours cant

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