Woden posted:

I'm guessing most of the issues ya'll have with Dragonlance are because Hickman and Weiss are bad writers. There are some cool ideas in there but their writing sucks poo poo.

Did anyone else read their Death Gate Cycle series of books? I never made it to the end, 7 loving books just riddled with bloat. Oh, and they sometimes released two in a year like an inverse GRM.

Salt Fish posted:

I read all 7 of them again like... 2 years ago and they held up.

Prof. Crocodile posted:

Empty Sandwich posted:

Flint Fireforge, Dwarf Stereotype

He can't swim. He's scared of horses, but won't admit it. (This is a major running trope.) He's a real rear end in a top hat to the kender. (That last one is fine.) He has an axe.

True, he comes from the era when all dwarves were grouchy Wilford Brimleys, rather than these more enlightened times when they're all Scottish Wilford Brimleys, but he's just kind of a nothingburger of a character, viz:


Or worse:


A dadbromance for the ages.


I hope he was below Bombur on that list.

Really what makes me crabby is his death, as I mentioned: he's battling alongside his friends. Gradually, he gets more and more fatigued and his is felled.

No, haha. That was just a dream that also happened in the story. He has a heart attack and sits down and dies.

I can't remember if this is part of the third-book cliffhanger or it happens in the middle of the story. Either way, not a good narrative choice.

feedmegin posted:

As, like, a 'how not to write' thing? Right?

Valko posted:

I hate kramering into threads like this but...

I noticed a lot of people are talking about gully dwarves. I think that was just the most obvious example of a lot of the problems with race depictions in DnD. I don't know much about Dragonlance simply because I never played a videogame based in that setting. I have played all the infinity engine games though so I am familiar with Forgotten Realms. The Drow always struck me as something problematic. They are a matriarchal society of EVIL spider worshippers and they all have black skin. Anyone else ever raise an eyebrow at that?

I suppose the lore does describe them as beautiful and highly intelligent. No wonder there are so many drow Mary Sues.

I tried reading up on some of the Dragonlance setting recently but my eyes just glaze over. It's just so generic. When i was in my teens I would have traded a testicle for a bioware game set in the Dark Sun setting.

Jesse Ventura posted:

“His manhood glistened wetly,” iirc.

This thread is a pretty incredible honeypot

CPA Hell posted:

I recognize the kender, but I can’t figure out who the other two are supposed to be. The barmaid turned fighter and the half-sister once she went full Darth Vader?