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Gaj posted:I dont understand why Mother or Father didnt just shoot/stab the snake. Recreating Alien 3 seem excessive. Could be wrong. Mother can't fly without her eyes/dark photons, which she did not have while her body constructed the creature. But it seems thematically relevant if her offspring got some of her traits, including her power. I'm a bit curious as to why Mother immediately assumed the creature was malevolent and a threat. I guess it's monstrous form was proof it wasn't actually Campion Sr's child, which means something lied to Mother to bring it about, which means that something assumed Mother wouldn't want it, and therefore it's probably harmful to Mother's interests, and therefore it's probably harmful to the children. But even after all of that, it's still her child, and she's got some pretty hardcore mothering programming. I wonder if she'll come to understand and appreciate her monstrous child more in later seasons.
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I'm not sure how well received it was. At the time it feels like people were very critical of how absurd it became, and how annoying kids are, and how it raised way more questions than it answered as things progressed. I remember having my appreciation qualified by the "issues" the show had. But thinking back now my general impression is that it was kind of amazing. It was not what I was expecting at all, but it has a really amazing atmosphere and I can't wait to see more.
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Gonz posted:Being able to fly, disintegrate people with her screams, all whilst T-posing, means Mother owns just slightly more than Father.
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Aug 18, 2021 18:04
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I remember going into season 1 hoping for a story about rebuilding humanity or something. When things were much, much more insane than just that I was a bit confused and wondering why things were so silly and I was vaguely dissatisfied. But by the finale, with everything that entailed I finally realized that this show is an amazing deadpan comedy, and the serious show I had been expecting would have been way more boring. This season makes sense. What's going on at any moment has some understandable explanation for why it's happening happening. Some of those explanations involve huge unknowns, but even with some of the premise still mysterious, the events all follow from each other logically. It makes its own kind of sense. But there are absurd and inexplicable scenes every episode. Every episode has made me laugh in incredulity multiple times. If you're up for that kind of nonsense, this season has been an absolutely amazing ride.
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Feb 28, 2022 15:52
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I like the mix of subtlety and bluntness this show has sometimes. Like in the latest episode with the giant snake skeleton, there is a human looking rib cage inside the snake rib cage. It's almost comically explicit that this ancient snake did not eat pumpkins, it ate people. And yet that human rib cage is only in the foreground of an unrelated shot where Marcus is trying to shimmy over to that tunnel. No one points it out, and the camera never focuses on it. It's like how the mermaids were introduced randomly during Campion's escape through the woods and no one ever commented on them. Or that joke where they were using tiny little nets on sticks along side all the other equipment when the community went snake hunting. A lot of stuff just happens without much focus leaving the audience to wonder what the heck they're watching. The first leech on the glass was visible for quite a while before Sue noticed it, just something on the screen you can't quite make sense of. It's a lot of fun.
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Feb 28, 2022 22:43
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I know there was a lot more overtly crazy stuff to talk about, but I can't believe no one mentioned that Father drops a hologram and it goes splat on the floor. That's one of the best drat details in this whole show.
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Mar 6, 2022 05:38
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Yeah, I've been wondering about the extent of the "tropical zone". Like, if you can't fly in the tropical zone, isn't the Tarantula on the edge of the tropical zone? I assumed it flew in, but now that I think about it the name Tarantula may have suggested it walked in. For a while I've been assuming that the village with all the trees is in the tropical zone, and the tarantula itself is less in the tropical zone. In any case, the Entity's lack of control in this region has been pretty clear. The snake not being controlled by the entity, but acting emotionally was an interesting twist and I'm really looking forward to what chaos we end up with as a result.
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Mar 16, 2022 18:40
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Nuts and Gum posted:I’m sort of annoyed the trust robot plot line just disappeared along with my boy Cleaver In fairness I was very close to understanding what was going on. I just really wanted to see Cleaver again. eschaton posted:Sue and Marcus are reunited in a virtual space run by The Entity, which is where much of the ancient civilization has been uploaded by Sol. Most of the civilization’s processes are suspended though since Sol doesn’t have much access to solar power, thanks to work by the Shepherds and Technocrats. The whole “religion” thing came about because Sol decided religion was the fastest way to get the most people to upload. The Shepherds don’t want people to upload, because without people to take care of they won’t be needed anymore and will break down and eventually shut down. The Entity's motivation is probably the biggest remaining mystery. As crazy as the rest of it is, it all follows its own, fully understood logic. While the Entity could be ultimately benevolent in a roundabout way like you outline, it appears to be destructive and willing to kill humans for now. That said, the confirmation that it was destructive came from Grandmother who is not at all reliable. All the messed up stuff it's done this season with the snake and everything might have all been for the sake of breaking the protection around the tropical zone, rather than specifically to create a cleansing killer snake. Though in season one (which I don't remember as well), I think it was pretty indifferent to human life. I think it's pretty plausible that the Entity is like the Trust... but for the giant alien sentient snakes that originally lived on this planet, and that it legitimately wants to wipe out all the humans. Though that doesn't explain why humanoid androids appear to be a normal part of the giant snake life cycle. I guess there are a few mysteries left after all now that I think about it.
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Mar 21, 2022 02:20
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Blue for night looks cheap because it is a cheap and easy way to make things look vaguely like night. I feel like it's kind of a joke in this show that the alien night happens to look like a cheap filmmaking technique. I personally think it works. It looks off and alien, and that's in aid of the atmosphere they're going for. But it is a cheap filmmaking technique. There's no way to incorporate other light sources without making it look really bad. Someone posted the inexplicably blue fireworks as an example. I don't think there's any reason to defend it as a real artistic decision- it's just a well integrated cheap technique.
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Mulva posted:"Why would you do something as stupid as fall in love with a robot?" says child's robot mother. That was a perfect culmination of that whole plot arc where Campion was just being a horny lovestruck kid, but really it was about insisting that his love for his mother was real, despite never focusing on that. There's so much in this insane show that just fits together and makes sense with its own logic. It's so satisfying to go, "Ah, yes, of course, the flying snake liked pumpkins rather than birds because it was designed to eat the magic tree made out of people." Edit: GABA ghoul posted:
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Apr 16, 2022 15:16
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The best thing about the tanks is when they started interacting with one up close in some scenes and you suddenly realized it wasn't just bad CGI, it was an actual tank actually textured exactly like bad CGI. It was kind of amazing.
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Vermain posted:Nah, they were modern inventions. Either the scriptures Sol sent to Earth took until modern times to be deciphered and the blueprints for the Necromancers to be found, or Sol's scriptures arrived on Earth late into modern history as a divine revelation to whoever the Mithraic founder was, and the subsequent decoding of their writings led to the discovery of the Necromancers. I think either are plausible, but they don't really make it clear what's more likely. I always imagined, if this is supposed to be our future and not an alternate history, people in our future discover ancient texts somewhere on Earth, Dead Sea Scroll style, and when it turns out to have a bunch of complex technology encoded in it somehow, it kick-starts a pretty understandable new religion that has a solid claim to being actually divinely inspired.
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Apr 26, 2022 21:30
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Khanstant posted:
Not saying that's what Sol's deal is, but Sol's worshippers seem to think along those lines. And in practical terms that's what the Trust was too. The theology in this show is almost cartoonishly simple, but still manages to be pretty interesting.
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Apr 27, 2022 21:24
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If it really bothers you, pretend it is flesh and metal eating bacteria or whatever. It's consistent with what's on screen. Yeah, they call it "acid" but that's just because it's quicker to say than "mysterious flesh eating life form" every time. Bam. You're done. It's fine on a thematic/mythological level, as it always has been, and now also on a technobabble level, and we don't need to keep having this conversation.
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May 4, 2022 19:02
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General Battuta posted:Did anything come of everybody eating the transmuted persontree fruit? Or was it just good eatin But yeah, I was kind of expecting there to be more of a consequence to all that, but I think it was just a disturbing incidental detail. The fact that nothing came of it was part of what made Marcus and Paul lose their faith. Sue died, not to enlighten the masses with divine fruit, but just to power up a dumb killer snake. Or else there was going to be more in the 3rd season it looks like we're not getting.
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May 13, 2022 23:25
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I miss the Trust. This show getting canceled feels like the Trust being deactivated all over again. I just want my gods to be open about being benevolent utilitarian AIs, is that too much to ask?
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Elias_Maluco posted:Sol is real, I don’t think the show leaves much doubt about it.
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I think that poster is doing a bit where they pretend to be an obnoxious atheist who doesn't understand the concept of fiction, but I can't quite figure out what's supposed to be funny or cutting about it so I'm not entirely sure. Maybe something about the absurdity of dogmatic atheism? In any case what they're saying is pretty clearly disconnected from the show.
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CODChimera posted:yes yes you were trolling the whole time hehe nice one
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GABA ghoul posted:They are right though. The executive elites killed that one single genuinely creative sci-fi show that tried to do something new and different, that had truly creative set designs, costumes, world building, plot and themes, while at the same time we get the 29th bland, basically indistinguishable, Star Wars industrial sludge of a show about Jantor Clinari the doomstar toilet janitor and this is loving unjust and sad and I'm never going to forgive these people until the moment I die. We were BETRAYED Would I have rather they put all the set design, character work, political nuance and compelling storytelling into a show that wasn't branded Star Wars? All else being equal, sure. I agree, I'd rather explore new worlds. But they put all that stuff into a Star Wars for some reason and it's really good. That's why "garbage looking mini-series" is so funny. It was garbage looking and pointless, but they decided to make it legitimately good for some reason.
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I tried 1899 because I heard Dark was good but the concept of 1899 sounded more interesting. I did not like 1899 at all, not because I couldn't get into all the dozens of the characters, but because every single one of their stories and plot developments was so unrelentingly miserable. I did only make it three episodes so maybe there's a bunch of grim introductions to leave room for more positive or at least nuanced twists later? I would be vaguely on board with the silly mystery if everything else wasn't literal torture. I hear Dark has a better buildup or whatever, but does it build up to that kind of over the top emotional torture porn, or like, something actually interesting to watch? Red Fructidor posted:I actually read the first book after having a similar opinion of the show as you....and was severely disappointed in it. The couple of ideas the show picked out from the book were the only good ones imo, and the extra stuff with the clone emperors was superior to what was left
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I was gonna bring that up recently in the Foundation thread, but those guys seem to have a reverence for the book (compared to the show) that I can't agree with. Just really, really disappointing and packed with trope after trope. I see how it was influential, but it has not aged well at all, even grading on an originality curve for the better later space operas it's supposed to have inspired.