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Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Borrovan posted:

All cops, not just the institution of the police but every single individual copper, are bastards

I am willing to allow a few exceptions if they have only very recently joined, under the bamboozling influence of detective fiction.

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Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Regarde Aduck posted:

What about people who have to go into work and can't work from home? Are they expected to lock themselves down in their off time but they do have to go to work in person?

Yes, it has been like this from the start. Meanwhile if people go to a park or beach there is a ton of classist tutting from people with their own gardens.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

TACD posted:

Yea, I feel like I'm the only one of my friends that isn't going out to pubs again and I'm starting to feel like a bit of a paranoid loon

The Covid research app thinks R is significantly over 1 nearly everywhere, and schools and colleges are reopening soon. I went to the dentist because this is probably the safest it'll be for a while, but you could not drag me to a pub.

(Or a gym, but that has always been true.)

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Bobstar posted:

A guy I knew once insisted nougat was the "la-di-da Mr French man" pronunciation, and it should instead by pronounced "nugget"

Nugget was the normal pronunciation at my primary schools tbh, I learned to keep my ladida noogah thoughts to myself.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Borrovan posted:

Both are wrong :colbert: noogat (how it's spelled, basically)

Warning, foreign influence detected, if French call ladida, if American, call ???

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Guavanaut posted:

Numpads are worth it if you do a lot of calculations/spreadsheet work by touch. Really it's's the arrow keys and page up/down they could scrap, it's all on the numpad.

Those keys are vital for people without a mouse wheel.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

justcola posted:

I'm curious what those still in the party think.

He's just as poo poo as I thought he'd be. I'm in the party to vote for better candidates (while that remains an option).

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Julio Cruz posted:

hmm I wonder what happened to "well the government/big pharma will just force them to rush out a vaccine without doing the proper testing"

No one I saw was arguing no testing at all would happen, so I think you're just being an arse.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Julio Cruz posted:

So just that it would be rushed and/ineffective? Which still doesn’t seem to be the case, does it?

If people thought some testing would be done, you can't argue that they're wrong because some testing has been done. However often you try.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Julio Cruz posted:

"testing will be done but they'll fudge/ignore the results" is not in fact the same as "testing will be done because that's how vaccines are developed" just FYI

Another straw man, and, for the third and last time, one thing being done right does not show all things are being done right. I apologize to the rest of the thread for not ignoring you as I should have.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

kingturnip posted:

Maybe it comes from having grown up in London, but I rarely feel the need to actually press a button at lights

Oh, I assumed twisto's apparent zeal for button-pushing was a London thing. Here in Cornwall I feel selfish pushing the button, when I could just wait a little longer for a proper gap and not stop traffic for so long.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Dead Goon posted:

I've often wondered this and the only conclusion I can come to is that "famous" people do it too and the youth like to copy them.

That's weird of you. I do it because I can hear better that way, and can quickly rest the phone on something if I need to use my hands, and there are no downsides.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Mega Comrade posted:

But that's in your own home yes? You're not sat on a park bench or in the office?

My phone goes on speakerphone automatically, wherever, and I don't change it. If a call would be disruptive to people around me I just leave the room or keep it short, and I'd do just the same if people around could only hear my side of the conversation because that's just as disruptive I think, so what point would there be in holding my phone as if it were a landline?

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Julio Cruz posted:

having to listen to one side of someone else's phone conversation is bad

Yes it is.

quote:

but having to listen to both sides is a hundred times worse

No, I much prefer it. I suppose partly because there's no wondering involved, but also because I think having a conversation in my presence, yet hiding half of it from me, is rude in a way that merely not including me isn't.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Lt. Danger posted:

half-arsing it so other people work harder to cover your slacking is Not Comradely

While this is true, it should be dealt with squarely, not by spiteful dog-in-the-manger stuff. I am disappointed in communism bitch and hope he will use his sofa for reflection.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

I'm not sure anyone would even notice if some dusty old books get digitised a little bit later than they otherwise would

Depends what they are. I was assuming communism bitch's colleagues were doing useful historical work, but if it's just aristo-serving then if course they should slack off.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

OwlFancier posted:

If it was that important that they were digitized then it would have happened already

That's bollocks Owl, the stuff that gets done first is what gets paid for, and the free market doesn't produce the best result in historical research.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

OwlFancier posted:

Yeah I think I get it now, length of the vowel.

Baaaarrrrtth.

No r in it, though, just a for longer..

Actually SE RP English still has a bit of a similar thing - 'man' takes longer to say than 'mat', for example.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Just got a text


When it says "our area" does it mean Britain?

Cause I'm in London and I'm pretty sure London isn't actually that badly affected by the recent spike

It's increasing all over the UK now, it's merely worse up north.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

crispix posted:

I'm convinced the reason Cameron's government pandered to bigots and racists to such an extent was because nobody in their circles had ever set foot in the kinds of places where people have always been saying things like that.

What, do you think nobs aren't extremely and overtly racist? They absolutely are.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

The Perfect Element posted:

Covid home testing report: The instructions are really complicated, the test is very hard to take,

R4's More or less reported that only around 1/3 of tests posted to people were actually processed.

Grey Hunter posted:

All I know is my kid has had five days of school in two weeks and is a much nicer person to be around, so I'm willing to take the chance on Covid to be honest.

The pubs should never have been opened, and that's where the real spread is going on. The schools haven't been open long enough for anyone to show symptoms they caught there, all this rise is from the pubs!

The Covid app research data shows high levels of infection in age groups 0-9 and 10-19. Only 20 somethings have a higher rate, and not by that much. It's not just pubs.

And since I have teachers in my family I'm not thrilled about your willingness to risk their lives

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

justcola posted:

How is this pronounced? Like 'cha ching' like a till?

Ploo sa shonge, more or less

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Triage by phone? What if you live miles from the hospital like anyone not living in a city?

Then you already wait hours for an ambulance anyway.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

sassassin posted:

I bought a bird feeder and have questions:

1) put in the sun or shade?
2) out in the open or under/in a tree?

Propped it on a fence post for now and the local tits are going mad for it.

Out in the open, don't give cats a place to lurk.

Sun also good, to help keep it clean and the seed drier.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

sassassin posted:

Makes sense. Not many cats around here and it's got a cage to keep the rats and squirrels out.

Rats will feast on the seeds the birds drop, and if the squirrels cannot get in - a big if - they will for example roll the feeder along the ground so that seeds fall out. Resign yourself to feeding rodents.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

happyhippy posted:

You are right, the 90s were an optimistic time.

For the very young maybe, but I don't know, it felt like a time of continuing defeat to me. The Tories were in power for most of them, by the time we were confident Labour would win it was clear that they'd be poo poo, the unions and local authorities had been beaten, the criminal justice act made protest even more toothless, people were obsessed with their house values, global warming was known about and the only action on it was the pathetic Kyoto protocol, etc. The 90s were poo poo, like the decades they paved the way for.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

peanut- posted:

We are charging headlong into probably the most apocalyptic recession this country has ever seen. There is no one the Tories will be able to nominate to avoid that, especially not the face of the economy Rishi Sunak.

Only Labour governments are seriously blamed for recessions. 1980-1, Thatcher: re-elected. 1990-1, Major: re-elected.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

goddamnedtwisto posted:

I like the framing of it as "Don't needlessly multiply entities" which I *think* comes from the first wave of New Atheism, and let's just ignore the rest of the fruit of that particular tree.

It is not actually certain who first wrote that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily, but it was definitely not the New Atheists.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Put it this way. If someone can prioritise their idealogical purity over the active worsening of conditions for minorities, refugees, disabled and vulnerable people, and the working poor, what does that say about them?

I am poor and disabled, so I am aware that New Labour made things substantially worse for us last time, and sound like they'll do it again.

I shall vote Labour if the local candidate is socialist (which seems likely). But I will never vote for a centrist, and I don't think anyone who does is acting in my interests, whatever they tell themselves.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

mfcrocker posted:

Unless something explosive happens, he leaves when he loses the next election.

Nope, he leaves when he loses two elections. See: Kinnock.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Once choice fucks me completely.

One choice keeps me hosed as I currently am.

It's like you don't remember New Labour at all.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

bessantj posted:

Have you played it? Is it any good. I have CK2 and have turned the UK, Ireland, France a chunk of Spain and a bit of Belgium into Wales or "Prydain", which was fun.

It is very good. It doesn't have as much content as late CK2 had accrued, but what there is is more fun for having real faces attached, and some of the systems are greatly improved.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Bobstar posted:

And regarding the optimism of "we did Corbyn once, we can do it again", we did Corbyn once through two mistakes made by the PLP - nominating him in the interests of "balance", and the registered supporter thing (though I think Corbyn won even without them?), and they will be sure to patch those holes by the next leadership election, so, how can we do it again?

I'd have preferred ditching the PLP as gatekeepers altogether, but we did at least succeed in easing the nomination rules so that left MPs can probably nominate a candidate in future.

Whether we can win then depends on how many left members we have. I hope that Starmer's dismal performance is at least showing left members who voted for him why they shouldn't be dazzled by a suit. But I'm afraid that people who leave thinking they can always rejoin in time to vote in hopeful elections are wrong, the NEC can set length of membership eligibility rules to whatever they like.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

CyberPingu posted:

At this point I don't think anything would be lost by losing the BBC

I'm inclined to agree, except for the idea of a nationalized broadcasting service ensuring that informative programmes are made. If we can't reform the BBC, we should at least aim for a better replacement.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Guavanaut posted:

It's because it's all students, isn't it, and then when they come home for Christmas it'll be a bloodbath? :ohdear:

It is schoolchildren as well, and they are already at home, so I don't suppose we'll have to wait that long for the bloodbath. I expect a lot of grandparents are taking some precautions, but on the other hand, some parents probably work in care homes.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Nostalgic Cashew posted:

Can someone tell me why this isn't a catastrophe?

It's been completely inevitable for 10 months, and even terror gets boring after a while.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

justcola posted:

why isn't there an instigator/troll on the left who riles people up for attention and money? Someone who goes on the news

Because you can't just go on the news. The news corps pick who gets on.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

SpicePro posted:

I've had quite a few suggestions but thinking about it this evening one thing I grew up with growing in my parent's garden was gooseberry and I don't recall seeing them in the shops...ever?

Waitrose gets them in late June, but you have to be quick off the mark. They're usually all gone in a fortnight. I do recommend gooseberry bushes for allotments - and blackcurrants as well if you like those. They're fairly low maintenance*, last for years, and give you expensive and hard to get crops. Most veg you can buy more cheaply than grow**.

* But be vigilant for sawfly in spring.

**E: except Jerusalem artichokes. Hard to buy, grow like weeds.

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

nurmie posted:

It's perfectly fine, I think, to dislike or hate people and wish harm on them (or even do harm, in certain circumstances) for opinions that they hold or actions they commit, *without* denying them their humanity.

I think that makes 'humanity' some sort of fetish, when I'd regard someone as defective if they did not have empathy for animals.

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Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

OwlFancier posted:

I just ate purple carrots and they're loving great? Yet another mark against the loving orangemen IMO.

Might someone who dislikes orange carrots like them, do you think? Or are they just very carroty carrots?

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