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 There wasn't a post in the previous Scotland thread since May. In that time: - We enjoyed broadly the same fate as the rest of the UK in regard to the Covid-19 pandemic, with a slower relaxation of lockdown and some additional measures in place. The ultimate outcome has been around 4,000 deaths out of around 51,000 in Britain as a whole, which favours Scotland somewhat in proportion to the population. There's other obvious factors such as local geography and so far it's not been a competition on that basis. - First Minister Nicola Sturgeon and her Scottish National Party government have enjoyed soaring approval ratings and support, in stark contrast to polling on Boris Johnson's Conservative Party UK government, here and across Britain. This is despite having been beset by strikingly similar issues and controversies with regard to the pandemic, including a common failure to protect care homes early-on, U-turns on allowing teachers to award grades to kids who missed their exams this year, and lockdown breaches by senior advisers to both governments. - The Prime Minister tried to take a recovery break in the Scottish Highlands but returned home early, having failed to realise that rural Scotland =/= anonymity. - Opinion polling over the summer has shown increased support for independence, with the most striking so far offering a reversal of the 2014 referendum result -- 55% in favour to 45% against. This has had several outcomes already... - The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party, second-largest in parliament, is on its third leader of 2020 in Douglas Ross MP, with previous leader Jackson Carlaw effectively given his jotters by London. Ross was installed by appointment due to entering August's leadership election as the only candidate and is seen as a Johnson ally despite resigning as a minister this year in protest over Dominic Cummings' unique approach to childcare and optometry. - The Sarwar-Baillie axis is currently mounting a coup attempt on Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard as the party continues to struggle in the polls. Leonard was the Corbyn contingent's preferred candidate, which undoubtedly helped him win his position but potentially leaves him high and dry as the unfaithful reclaim the Labour Party. - The SNP have announced that they will put a new referendum on Scottish independence front and centre of their May 2021 Scottish Parliament election campaign. Current polling predicts gains for both the Greens and SNP as the pro-independence parties, with the SNP on course to achieve an overall majority -- an outcome which the Scottish voting system was expressly designed to avoid. The Scottish Greens were fine because they support independence, and also the amazing Extinction Rebellion protests this weekend. No-one cares about the Liberal Democrats, although it was funny when the UK party leader lost her Scottish seat in the General Election. Here's an article in the Herald with the Scottish party leaders all giving their response to what will inevitably be called 'IndyRef2'. Other things which are happening include a Holyrood inquiry into the government's handling of the allegations against Alec Salmond; local lockdowns being imposed in various extents and various places, currently including Glasgow; massed nutters turning up at parliament to complain about that; an ongoing debate over whether attempts to criminalise hate crime are an attack on free speech; and Scotland's current Nations League Campaign. There's mair nor a roch wind blawin... Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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Here's a handy map of local Covid-19 resilience groups, should you wish to partake, donate, or participate: https://covidmutualaid.org/local-groups/ Love to Covid Mutual Aid UK! Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 23:47 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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I had been thinking of maybe starting a new scotpol thread in the run-up and/or aftermath to the next election, but I couldn't be arsed, so.Juliet Whisky posted:The ultimate outcome has also been so far broadly the same: around 4,000 deaths out of the 40,000 in Britain as a whole, which is in proportion to the population. This isn't quite right- 40,000 is the number of deaths in the uk with those who have tested positive for COVID, which undercounts covid deaths. The comparable figure for Scotland seems to be about 2,500. 4,000 deaths looks like it's either counting death certificates or excess deaths - the comparable figures for the UK would be 4,000 vs. 51,000 (death certificates) or 5,000 vs. 57,000 (excess deaths). sources: Scot, UK. This puts Scotland in its traditional position, the same position it finds itself in many issues of importance: We're Still Bad But We're Somewhat Less So Than The Rest Of The UK So We Can Pretend We Don't Have A Problem. A few things to add while i'm on the ground floor: - Something to note now that an indyref is being talked up again - while the SNP are seeking a majority as a moral justification for having another referendum, the actual legal power to say whether a vote can be held is still claimed by the UK government in Westminster. Which means the Tories can make things really difficult for the SNP if they refuse - what can they do in response? a complex legal challenge? going ahead with the referendum unofficially anyway? The last time a regional parliament tried an unofficial independence referendum was Catalonia in 2017, which was met with police violence against voters and arrests of politicians. We don't know for sure how the very sensible and reasonable UK Government and police forces will react if Scotland does try this, but it may not work out. - The current spats in the SNP may come up. The differing reasons why some may take a dislike to Nicola Sturgeon have resulted in a vague unholy alliance between a) those who want a second referendum yesterday and dislike her attempting to do it gradually and in a way that won't cause too many constitutional crises; b) those who think Alex Salmond did nothing wrong and was framed by lying women or whatever; and c) those who really hate trans people and are convinced the SNP's glacial progress towards recognising them is a affront to sex and/or a useful wedge issue for the culture war against the SJWs. This alliance does not seem to have the numbers to actually make big wins, so far, but there has been some sniping and procedural wrangling about who can run for Edinburgh Central this election. And there are a couple of alternative parties which have sprung up, under the guise of being a cunning way to game the additional member system, who will probably not get votes but might at least make some amusing twitter gaffes. Like the 2016 US primary debate where the station kept an empty podium for Joe Biden, I'm keeping an empty podium in my heart for Wings Over Scotland, influential blogger and terminally online ranting transphobe rear end in a top hat, who keeps threatening to start his own independence party but hasn't pulled the trigger yet. He's a poo poo and I hope he does it and then him and his reactionary platform loses in the most hilarious meltdown way possible. -Somewhat related, I'll grind my own personal axe here and mention that the SNP's progress on trans issues is abysmal. They held a consultation on a decent set of proposed changes (some recognition for under 18s, non-binary recognition, removal of barriers to getting a gender recognition certificate), which ended with a majority of respondents in favour of reforms. However it also annoyed a loud group of TERFs both outwith and within the SNP and so they watered down their proposals (no under 18 recognition, a vague committee on considering the concept of looking into non-binary issues, etc) and launched a second consultation in the hopes that would satisfy the TERF set and make everyone happy. It has not. The TERFs are as loud as ever and now JK Rowling is tweeting. Waiting times for trans medical care are now over two years at best. But hey! It's somewhat less bad than the rest of the UK! -Silly corner: George Galloway's standing, in an "alliance for unity" which will unify all those who oppose independence, a stance is now currently split amongst three parties with seats in Holyrood, and after the election will still be split between three parties with seats in Holyrood because Alliance For Unity isn't going to get any because nobody cares about George Galloway anymore or whatever randoms he's gotten to stand for his party with him. See diagram below for an informative summary of the situation, by some goon who I don't remember who it was.  Their twitter account is making a number of reasonable points about modern politics, however, so worth a look. https://twitter.com/Alliance4Unity/status/1298582690011250688
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Should have done it! I'm going to shamelessly replace my opening stats with yours, one man's hunger is a tragedy but 11,000 deaths are a statistic. Aye the SNP are a very interesting political character overall, a relatively-newly (post-2014) mass-membership political party whose subscribers defy its leaders at conference e.g. in the ongoing debacle over land reform. They're the 13-year incumbent whose jaiket is on a shoogly peg in various directions -- except that it isnae. loving hell though; since it is possible for a person to change gender what is controversial about facilitating that by simplifying the legal process? My preferred reading would be that the Section 28 episode burned out the relevant wires in these people's brains -- what else explains the Scottish Parliament not leading the world in legalising same-sex marriage, banning smoking in workplaces etc. when it was otherwise not doing very much at all? -- but judging from interactions with my family I'll readily and sadly concur that it is TERFs, with their horrible obsession and strange influence, which are to blame for the current impasse. loving hell but it's like 'In Camera': that Twitter link. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 10:17 on Sep 7, 2020 |
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The gloves are off for the world's most craven and pathetic leadership contest!. Despite needing the support of only five MSPs, the would-be traitors are now involved in an argument over whether they actually have that. I kind of like Richard Leonard; he seems sincere in occupying an untenable political position. I think he believes in the vision of a federalised, socialist United Kingdom and it's almost unfair to ask him how, exactly, anyone in Scotland can contribute to realising that against all historical evidence. Certainly he's preferable to the ideological antimatter and complete moral vacuum represented in his foremost challengers: Jackie Baillie and Anas Sarwar. Baillie's most famous for her staunch defence of the nuclear weapons at Faslane on the basis that 'they create jobs' - a position her own party no longer holds - and Sarwar's greatest achievement so far has been to burn through all of the considerable goodwill his father generated as an MP for Govan. Who will win the battle between the glassy-eyed and the dead-eyed? We may never find out as they are apparently too cowardly to sign a letter. In other news: the virus is all over the place again. Please wear a mask and wash your loving hands. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Sep 8, 2020 |
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mehall posted:Still pissed off Matt Kerr didn't win the deputy election. Any contest which includes the prospect of Jackie Baillie being successful has grave and fundamental flaws IMO. I can't find the precise reference, but I'm always grateful to her for confirming the presence of nuclear warheads following this incident, which the Ministry of Defence would never do under their 'neither confirm nor deny' policy.
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I hate Scottish politics. Outside of the Greens there's just nothing. The Tories are Tories, Labour is like the last holdout of Blairism, lead by a total non-entity not up to the job, the problem being that this describes almost every Labour MSP is also a non-entity and the couple who aren't are despicable. The entire party still hasn't come to terms with losing in 2007 let alone the fact they are now the 3rd party in Scotland. In the other hand the SNP have that sense of having been in office for too long which is unhealthy and breeds complacency and attracts chancers. The biggest chancer seems to be Salmond, speed running through his own reenactment of the Tommy Sheridan that killed the SSP. It's a party of wildly differing interests unified by one policy and even on that they cannot agree on when a referendum should happen. The only outcome in doubt come May will be if SNP voters have worked out that voting them in the Region is pointless when they are winning 5 or 6 out of 7 constituencies. And I'm leaning towards nope.
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forkboy84 posted:I hate Scottish politics. Outside of the Greens there's just nothing. https://glasgowanarchists.wordpress.com/ https://edinburghafb.org/anarchistfederation https://xrscotland.org/ https://iww.org.uk/clydeside/ https://unitycentreglasgow.org/ https://www.banthebomb.org/ https://commonweal.scot/ https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/ https://www.facebook.com/classwarscotland/ https://greenbrigade.proboards.com/ https://twitter.com/freepridegla?lang=en https://theferret.scot/ https://www.facebook.com/faslanepeacecamp/ Choosing the least-worst from a list every few years can be the most trivial of your political actions. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Sep 9, 2020 |
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Juliet Whisky posted:https://glasgowanarchists.wordpress.com/ I'm sure some of those groups are good but big lmao at linking XR
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I'm also not sure how much use it is being active in anti-nuke campaigns given the Scottish consensus is already there, but there's nothing you can do about it without independence anyway. To say nothing of the fact that they're almost all Amit nuclear power too, which is bad.
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That was a lazy list, not intended to be exhaustive or unqualified endorsement. However:Miftan posted:I'm sure some of those groups are good but big lmao at linking XR XR Scotland seems pretty autonomous and local groups appear to be finding their own interpretations of the XR tenets. I can certainly vouch for XR peops being very ready to offer solidarity with other campaigns. Also don't tell me that your heart got no glow from their actions against the Murdoch press (in Scotland it was a small, socially-distanced effort which did what they could and knocked it off ahead of arrest due to CV-19 considerations). mehall posted:I'm also not sure how much use it is being active in anti-nuke campaigns given the Scottish consensus is already there, but there's nothing you can do about it without independence anyway. Yup, only the Liberal Democrats and Conservatives, from all the Scottish Parties in parliament, support nuclear weapons. That's thanks to a campaign over about sixty years, which was and remains dependent on local people being involved in keeping an eye on what's happening near them. The nuclear disarmament campaign in the wider UK and worldwide still benefits from your support here now. Nuclear power could have been amazing but it was instituted first and foremost to produce weapons-grade material, and subsequently funded just enough to protect the skillset for that -- so we get this instead, and subsidies going out which could otherwise facilitate better renewables.
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Juliet Whisky posted:That was a lazy list, not intended to be exhaustive or unqualified endorsement. However: See, the reason why Hunterston is forced to run another year with a cracked reactor is because of the previous 60 years of no nuke campaigners also targeting all nuclear power. If they'd said their issue was that it was also making weapon fuel and actually spoke about alternatives, maybe we'd be in a situation where governments weren't poo poo scared of opposition to actually make more modern nuclear power stations, but as it is they're all desperately holding on to whatever they have, fearful of having to replace them because they'll get opposition to fossil fuels - rightly - and opposition to nuclear due to the aforementioned indiscriminate campaigning that sought to label every reactor a Chernobyl or Fat Man, meaning all they can do is work on the modern renewables but also neoliberalism is a thing and they've hosed that too.
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loving lmao @ the Internal Market Bill, which will doubtless destroy any real sense of autonomy that Scotland still has in the Union strongly doubting whether or not I actually want to move back to Scotland now, given how much the Tories are about to destroy it with both that sodding bill and the impending No Deal on January 1st let's not forget how much the TERFs have embedded themselves into the SNP, Christ
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mehall posted:See, the real problem with the nuclear industry is the anti-nuclear campaigners. I admire your skills! They're under no threat from a Scottish government promoting diversification and multiple decommissioning projects spanning longer than we've been alive, at a time when there's still no confirmed site for the UK's radioactive waste. Meanwhile: Venomous posted:strongly doubting whether or not I actually want to move back to Scotland now Ach it depends when you left, it's probably much the same and in some ways better, unless if you're Venomous posted:let's not forget how much the TERFs have embedded themselves into the SNP, Christ ...Aa gently caress, aye same shite as everywhere.
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Another day another poll https://twitter.com/Survation/status/1304367146265464832 Tories fall behind Labour in WM voting intention for first time in forever, great start for Douglas Ross In bigger news: tweets now show embedded in preview, how long has that worked?
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Richard Leonard has survived! The proposed putschists agreed to get their heids back down and get on wi it in consideration of whether they wanted their names so closely tied to next year's election results. The significance of this was accidentally or otherwise reinforced by the BBC Scotland news page: In other BBC news, the First Minister's daily briefings on the pandemic are no longer to be carried by that organ in favour of far more important programming. In fairness, the replacement programme serves as an elementary introduction to both haggling and the selling-off of household items, each likely to be useful and significant skills in the coming year. Will this inhibit the Scottish Government policy of implementing UK proposals early? Was it the result of angry letters from Scottish Labour former grandees remorseful at setting too small a price on their souls? Certainly it will have the effect of means-testing access to information about a pandemic, and in particular local advice as this changes. There's probably some older Tories wishing they'd thought of it back in the 1980s. E: O! forgot that the Shetland Islands are considering seeking independence from Scotland. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 00:49 on Sep 14, 2020 |
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E: nm But also: https://giant.gfycat.com/VelvetyApprehensiveAcouchi.mp4 Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 23:51 on Sep 21, 2020 |
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George Orwell posted:Who is sane? Was Hitler sane? And is it not possible for one whole culture to be insane by the standards of another? And, so far as one can gauge the feelings of whole nations, is there any apparent connection between a generous deed and a friendly response? Is gratitude a factor in international politics? These 70+-year-old issues were not addressed by this morning's COBRA meeting, including the heads of the devolved administrations, or our First Minister's appearance in parliament taking questions from the opposition that could have been written by her backbenchers. It does appear that many baws were chewed at this meeting, with Sturgeon stumbling back to propose 'suppression' of the virus, contrary to her previously-stated ambition of using such talks to establish an 'elimination' policy across the UK. The bottom line is that the Chancellor, and our probable next Prime Minister, is refusing to extend the furlough scheme so any additional measures which might currently be effective are reduced in scope to what London will allow. Let's hope whatever is in place is effective! I was meant to be in England the day but decided against it for obvious reasons. E: wow it must have been quite the meeting althegether, with the PM's message effectively repeated by the First Ministers of opposing parties in Scotland and Wales despite each country having its own regulations, and Douglas Ross backing the Scottish Government's actions to the point of interceding with the Prime Minister in support of their application for further funding or an extension of their borrowing capacity. Unsuccessfully of course. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Sep 23, 2020 |
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A couple of months and a hundred years later, it's been a big week for Scotland. We were acknowledged in America, with Nicola Sturgeon selectively-quoted by NBC News, cited as a 'world leader' alongside the Federal Republic of Germany. In Westminster, we beat the Iraq war, light-touch regulation leading to the 2008 financial crash, and the monstering and victimisation of refugees to be named as 'Tony Blair's greatest mistake' and 'a disaster'. Less reactively, some young Scots reaffirmed our status as European contenders with a series of outstanding performances. As the Central Belt follows England into lockdown, fingers are crossed that we don't follow them out of the Nations League this week. We're representing Britain, and we have to do or die...
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Scottish Labour done a good thing! Tempting as it is to ask 'Why didn't they think of it before?', the same applies to all members from all parties.
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Former SNP leader Alex Salmond launches new political partyquote:Former SNP leader Alex Salmond has announced the creation of a new pro-independence party which will contest the Scottish Parliament election. This will be entertaining
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Got my first bumf for the election today, a week after my polling card. It was from the SNP candidate Emma Harper, no mention of Independence just Farming, Farmers and Farming accessories. Fair enough i guess since im in Dumfries and Galloway. Im not a Farmer, no-one in my family farms and i am resentful of anyone who can afford new vehicles every year and simultaneously plead poverty. If the mailer didn't have the SNP logo on it i would assume it was from the tories.
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Jinkii posted:Got my first bumf for the election today, a week after my polling card. I assume the passing for the tories is by design, the current MSPs for Dumfries are conservative right ?
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It's a couple of days until what will hopefully be the final election to Scotland's devolved parliament. Predictions are that the result will not be a resounding endorsement of our current constitutional settlement. Annoyingly Alex Salmond's Allipa, which may as well be an MI5 operation for all the help it's been to the independence movement, looks set to gain a seat or two. This will ideally be offset by a good showing for the Greens, who have graduated from having their arse out the window as the only party to vote against the SNP's budget ten years ago to being the most effective party of opposition in the UK by some distance. Their proposals of free public transport and a universal basic income for all are key points in the (presumptive) Scottish government's agenda for next week. Meanwhile the same polling suggests that Anas Sarwar may have saved us the embarrassment of having the Tories as Holyrood's second-biggest party. Labour's flagship policy at this election is spending more on shopping vouchers for everyone than their proposed increase to the NHS budget. There is no mention of Trident in their manifesto, despite the democratic aberration of Scottish Labour's members forcing it to formally adopt an anti-bombardment stance. Some young Scots visited Trident's home berth of Faslane recently, obstructing road traffic at the site's main gate for eleven hours. Juliet Whisky fucked around with this message at 08:54 on May 4, 2021 |
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Juliet Whisky posted:It's a couple of days until what will hopefully be the final election to Scotland's devolved parliament. Predictions are that the result will not be a resounding endorsement of our current constitutional settlement. Tories will be bigger than Labour, though both will lose seats compared to 2016, and Alba won't get a seat. That's my call. Unclear if SNP will have an outright majority or not, it's touch and go.
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As an outside observer ( ) to this, am I wrong to hope the Scotland does vote for independence? I only know what I read from international news sources, so I don't know the realities on the ground, but it does seem with Brexit that Scotland couldn't possibly be that much worse off without the rest of the UK. I'm curious what people who are actually directly implicated in this feel.
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Beelzebufo posted:As an outside observer ( I think that long term, independence will either be positive to neutral for Scotland, and much like last time, I'm so despairing of hope for the UK every becoming a better place that I'm willing to give basically anything a try. Short term, however, I think the economic impact will be pretty bad. Setting up new institutions is difficult and expensive, and I think it likely that a newly independent Scotland is going to have to borrow heavily or go through some form of austerity to get on its feet--neither of these things should have to be the case, but fundamentally we live in an international capitalist system which is probably going to try to Shock Doctrine us, and it's probably going to work given that the people who will be leading us into it are essentially centrist neoliberals. The way the brexit negotiations have gone are instructive too; they were an absolute car crash that made things worse for everyone involved, largely the fault of one side in that negotiation refusing to accept anything other than having everything they wanted until the last possible second, and that's the people we'll be negotiating independence with. The SNP might not want a hard border between Scotland and England, but if independence goes ahead, I'm not sure the Tories would agree. I'd fully expect spite to be a motivator on the UK side of things when the negotiations start. Despite that, I don't see a viable alternative. I really thought the UK as a whole might have had a chance for better things over the last few years, and had the last two elections gone differently I doubt I'd want to leave. But at least independence represents a chance for things to change for the better. Nothing is going to change in Scottish politics until the matter is settled one way or another, and the way I see it the only way that happens is either independence wins, or it loses like 3 referendums and everyone gives up and resigns themselves to staying on board the sinking ship or misery that is the UK.
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Beelzebufo posted:As an outside observer ( I voted No in the last Indyref in 2014, because I thought there were too many holes in the arguments for independence, and Ed Milliband was up in the polls and I was hopeful that Labour were going to win in the UK-wide elections in 2015  , and also that a left-leaning UK would have been better than a possibly-centrist independent Scotland. I thought there was no way England would vote for conservatives two elections in a row . Seven years later, and after Brexit, no one would make the same argument. The sooner we don't have to deal with Westminster's nonsense the better. The majority of people who are unionists are older now, and most of those under 45 support independence.
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Just voted! Went for SNP for constituency and Scottish Greens for regional. I hadn't really kept up with politics, but I think I chose the right ones strategically for Scottish independence in my region(?): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_East_Scotland_(Scottish_Parliament_electoral_region) Also what's up with the Independent Green Voice party? Google suggests they are a bunch of Nazis, are they just there to trick green voters and split the vote?
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It is a minor challenge wrestling with metre-long peach ballots comprised of nutters and people who were kicked out of Holyrood's parliamentary parties in a little polling-booth space to find the Only Sensible Choice (Scottish Green Party FTW). They do widen the scope of creativity afforded in spoiling your ballot paper but now is not the time.
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Beelzebufo posted:As an outside observer ( Granted, I have a personal interest as well, because I would qualify for a Scottish passport as my mum was born there. 
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Dropping by to say good luck achieving independence, scotland. I think you deserve it.
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