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I hate Scottish politics. Outside of the Greens there's just nothing. The Tories are Tories, Labour is like the last holdout of Blairism, lead by a total non-entity not up to the job, the problem being that this describes almost every Labour MSP is also a non-entity and the couple who aren't are despicable. The entire party still hasn't come to terms with losing in 2007 let alone the fact they are now the 3rd party in Scotland. In the other hand the SNP have that sense of having been in office for too long which is unhealthy and breeds complacency and attracts chancers. The biggest chancer seems to be Salmond, speed running through his own reenactment of the Tommy Sheridan that killed the SSP. It's a party of wildly differing interests unified by one policy and even on that they cannot agree on when a referendum should happen. The only outcome in doubt come May will be if SNP voters have worked out that voting them in the Region is pointless when they are winning 5 or 6 out of 7 constituencies. And I'm leaning towards nope.
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Beelzebufo posted:As an outside observer (
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) to this, am I wrong to hope the Scotland does vote for independence? I only know what I read from international news sources, so I don't know the realities on the ground, but it does seem with Brexit that Scotland couldn't possibly be that much worse off without the rest of the UK. I'm curious what people who are actually directly implicated in this feel.
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One of the cooler bits about this election is it's the first time refugees have been given the right to vote in this country. Notable Green pledge is to extent to all asylum seekers, not just those given refugee status.
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Kin posted:What were the total number of votes that the fake Green party siphoned from the actual Green party? Was it just a few thousand in total? Yeah, about 2,000. In Glasgow at least. But the Greens were less than 1,000 behind the Tories.
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They also got 1600 votes in South Scotland and I think the Greens were very close to picking up a seat there. Mind, this'd be a moot point if the SNP hadn't selfishly pushed their both votes SNP so strongly.
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i say swears online posted:why would any party not do this Because you claim to want a pro independence majority and that means accepting tactical voting is a reality with AMS, it was a system chosen with the idea that it meant the SNP couldn't get a majority except in extremely exceptional circumstances. 133,917 votes were for SNP in Glasgow Region, netting 0 MSPs because they predictably won every constituency seat. The unionist parties netted 6 seats for 110k votes. If just 914 SNP went Green then there's 1 more Tory loss, 1 more pro indy gain. If all of them go Green then there could be as many as 3 or 4 more and it changes the narrative.
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i say swears online posted:oh yeah that's a lovely system, thanks The system is unwieldy & hard to predict & harder still to explain to most people, but honestly I like the end result? If we had a First Past The Post system like Westminster there'd be 62 SNP, 5 Tory, 2 Labour & 4 Lib Dem, which honestly reads like a tinpot dictatorship, & that's not unique to 2021, go back to 1999's first Holyrood election & if it was just the constituency vote then there'd be 53 Labour, 12 Lib Dem, 7 SNP & 1 independent. Any system that reduces the proportion of Lib Dem representation (because they tend to be very popular in a select few areas & an after thought everywhere else) is a system that works. Instead with the list, Labour ended up with 43% of the seats with 38% of the vote, SNP had 27% for 29% of the votes, Tories had 14% of the seats for 15% of the votes, etc. It also meant both the Scottish Socialists & the Scottish Greens were able to get elected in 1999: the SSP imploded under the weight of Tommy Sheridan's ego (a tale as old as Trotskyism), the Greens have only gone from strength to strength. But it does mean you can get more "bang for your buck" if you vote for a smaller party on the second ballot though, especially in an area where one party are expected to win almost or all of the constituency seats in a region. Like every region except South Scotland forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 22:42 on May 10, 2021 |
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