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Yeah it looks like Biden "won" by most of the traditional metrics, despite Trump basically "owning" the debate, such as it was. If Biden's favorables don't move he's probably fine. If they drop a few points due to wrestling in the mud with a pig Trump may have moved the needle somewhat.
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OwlFancier posted:Like I dunno I'm reading up on this daca thing and like, creating a class of people whose right to live in the country is determined by their continued job-having and they can never become citizens or have the right to vote and must continually justify their existence seems pretty bad to me but the guys who created it are the good guys because they're not deporting as many people? Boy, wait until you hear about all our other visa programs.
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Sep 30, 2020 04:58
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Votes for no-hoper third party candidates automatically favor the incumbent why do people not grasp this. Not really, actually they favor the leading candidate. In this case Joe Biden is leading. Therefore it follows that a third-party vote is in fact a vote for Joe. It brings me no joy to report this.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:10
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Seven Hundred Bee posted:Biden said that systemic racism exists. His utopian description of the "integrated suburbs" was wildly disconnected from reality and frankly incredibly insulting. If Trump hadn't been shouting unhinged lies constantly Biden's own bizarre statements might have gotten more scrutiny. Luckily for Biden, almost no one remembers a single word he said after that entire debacle.
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Sep 30, 2020 05:24
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TheWordOfTheDayIs posted:Obama and Clinton were term limited. They were both wildly popular and would have been elected for third terms given the chance. There's no such thing as "ineffectual centrism." Centrism wins 2nd terms. Conflating the incumbency advantage with an inherent "centrism advantage" is some incredible poo poo. Bush won a 2nd term also, we gotta do more invasions!!!! Not even going to bother noting they largely accomplished Republican goals and brought aid and comfort to almost no one.
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