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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Seth Rollins posted:

can you please define what counts as "horny posting" with some examples of what is and is not allowed. i feel like this rule is too vague

The early days of AEW threads where people kept posting how thirsty they were for The Librarian girl's butt is a good example I would say.

Like it wasn't "goddamn she has an rear end that id like to touch" level stuff but more so, "oh and Lena's butt :swoon:" in the midst of talking about the episode etc. got pretty weird pretty fast.

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

mfcrocker posted:

Not particularly, I don't have faith that telling the admins that a goon is predating on goons off-site would lead to action (in fact I'd fully expect them to shrug their shoulders and say "oh well its not our problem"), but it's better than nothing.

E: this isn't necessarily your problem, I just haven't had very much faith in the leadership of this site for a very long time now

I am only gonna speak for the combat sports discord I link in the monthly UFC thread but if anything like that ever happens please get in comtact with me immediately (obviously with supporting evidence). I wont tolerate that on that discord, and promise to hound an admin to take it seriously.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

piratepilates posted:

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Like for that holly holm quote, I don't know that reference or what it's about, and I was very close to just asking you "what the hell man why would you say that" before seeing that it was a reference to some youtube video from like 5 years ago. If someone is making a reference, I think a certain degree of liability falls on them to make it clear that it's a reference and not their own thoughts, otherwise all you can do is assume that's what they're sincerely saying.

Yeah i mever heard that line either and would stand by a 6er for it. Its gross in and out of a vacuum for multiple reasons.

The Brazilian Tap thing is fine imo as thats less about nationality/race and more about "guy who is too proud to accept an L" which is coupled with a bunch of Brazilian fighters openly accepting their losses. Its mocking the "too proud to admit defeat" folk by way of an old meme.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Also while I'm not super knowledgeable about Sumo and most of Japan's culture surrounding it, I do think the discussions people have had about the efficacy and ethics of their training regimes is acceptable discussion so long as it doesn't stray too close to orientalism (which to be fair Fluffdaddy did call out once before he was a moderator and the thread moved into Fight Island) and sticks mainly to more constructive or helpful explanations about how what those guys go through is absurdly bad for their bodies. Aside from overeating to weigh more.

However if people feel its getting gross, I think most of the sumo posters are more than willing to accept that view and stop the discussion from going too far into that negativity.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Rarity posted:

It's real cool that people complaining about good posters being driven off this forum created an environment where CJ2 got driven off this forum

Nobody drove CJ2 off and this sort of phrasing/passive aggressive posting doesn't help anything either.

Edit 1 - If someone sent a death threat then that's pretty lovely, but that doesn't mean any criticism about CJ2 automatically becomes invalid.

Edit 2 - Just saw the J-Ru remark after posting this. Gonna not talk any further on it.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 10:04 on Oct 2, 2020

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
It was a snide and snippy post even if it wasnt meant to be mocking someone getting a death threat which given their previous snide/snippy post about horny posting getting them a probation they should have already known this wasnt the place for that stuff.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

RealFoxy posted:

Even outside of all that drama, people were begging Lowtax to fix the search function for almost as long as I've been here he kept saying "Can't be done!"

Within a couple hours of Jeffery being owner, search function is fixed lmao


It was fixed multiple times but then various issues would make it break. I don't really blame Lowtax, a guy I doubt who is very good at coding, to not know how to fix it.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Oddly the combat sports folk have had zero issue with saying funny things that dont violate the rules nor seem to have any major issues with the guidelines on what is or isn't acceptable either.

I would say plenty of humor is able to created under these rules. At least on our end :shrug:

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 05:43 on Oct 15, 2020

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MotU posted:

between tito ortiz, jon jones, and conor one of them is doing something dumb as hell every day, it is not a fair comparison

I would argue there are comparable people to make fun of in puroresu.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
The last 10 or so posts preceeding this cavauro post below that I'm responding to are pretty weird and silly and seem to be straying wildly off topic for this thread.


Cavauro posted:

i don't like how you warn & silence people for being funny because they are snarky or too curt and then do the shrug emote about Sensible jokes being copy/pasted. I don't care about the jokes being repeated actually, but the combo of the previous things coexisting feels stupid and bad for the forum to me. I understand this won't change and people say gently caress off about it. Thank you.


You're conflating what Jerusalem wrote down as the rules, and my take on them as a non-moderator. I think if you're just gonna blindly post "haha adam cole short" ad nauseum then yeah it'll likely end with a 6er for shitposting. My "shrug" emote was aimed at how in the combat sports threads we don't seem to have nearly as many problems with people not only understanding and following the rules, but not getting all upset over them like the pro-wrestling folk seem to. I should have used the :iiam: emote I guess.

sk posted:

nah, there's definitely Bad Feedback that won't be useful at all, but "please stop posting the same worn out joke in every thread" is good feedback that would (imo) make the subforum better. i personally don't think there's a way to make that enforceable with probes/bans, but it's not too helpful to threadshit (e: not calling out anyone in particular) in response instead of actually addressing it, in the thread expressly for giving and addressing feedback :shrug:

There is certainly bad feedback. There is also a fair bit of white noise in the feedback thread which makes it a bit more annoying to find the good or at least useful feedback. You're not entirely wrong but also not exactly right either. We already have rules about what is or is not acceptable stuff to remark or joke about with the "dont be gross" stuff as well as "no racism/homophobia/etc." rules. However I'd argue that jokes like "Adam Cole is short" isn't really a thing to give a probation about. Just that those who dislike it can simply ignore it as its low effort. How people think its "too hard to be creative" in this subforum is beyond me, which I said before.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Oct 16, 2020

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

yea ok posted:

Out of curiosity, what goes into the decision making behind selecting the IKs? I mean this for Brut, Mekchu and CJ2 as well. I promise this isn't an interrogation or a 'gotcha' question :razzy: just genuinely curious


From my end, Athanatos came to me and said "do you wanna be IK for Fight Island? Someone there really likes you and thinks you'd do a good job."

To which I said "um....sure?"

And then I was given buttons and a long post about how to do probations that I have never read because I am honestly quite lazy.

That is literally how I got the IK title.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Oct 16, 2020

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Jerusalem posted:

Mekchu...good posting.

Well now we all know you don't read the MMA threads. Way to get caught lying dude.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Cavauro posted:

I agree with the above posters that you should stop punishing anyone in GDTs unless they say horrific things.

I disagree. Else you'll have people like me who don't reallyw atch pro wrestling going into the pro-wrestling threads constantly going "LOL YOU ARE WATCHING THIS? WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU" etc. ad nauseum and it gets old fast.

That sort of drive by shitposting isn't really accepted in the sports GDT threads I've read (granted that was ages ago), and we don't really jive with it in the MMA threads. We wanna talk about the event, not kpop videos for Red Velvet (who i will say make good gym music).

Like if the theme of the event was "Monster" and you posted that video, then i'd be here saying it was a good post and worth defending because it had something to do with the event.

Just like I'm gonna post a Jay Park music video in the UFC GDT tomorrow since that's related to the event (look up "Brian Ortega Jay Pak" for that specific context)

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
With regards to Streetbeefs:

Yes I was the one who closed it and gassed that thread. I didn't know how to goldmine and honestly even the ending with the organizer wanting to fight Marching Powder for his light trolling/real talk wasn't really super hilarious. Maybe an admin can move it if that's possible if they disagree.

I personally didn't like that thread from the get go and the premise of Streetbeefs to me didn't fit PSP/FI. Not that I feel we're above crazy carny poo poo, hell we talk about Fight Circus and I love the Calcio Storico stuff (and you should go watch it), but to me streetbeefs was basically just organized WSHH videos with a vague premise/story behind them. Add in that they had terrible structure for its "arena", incompetent refs (yes i get the irony from an MMA perspective), and just didn't pay their 'fighters' despite getting sponsorship and YouTube views etc.

Personally, I don't want it to come back. If people overwhelmingly are for it being in PSP/FI then sure I'll concede and help keep an eye on it. I think its best in GBS personally but that's just my opinion. I don't claim to hold any power over if it can be posted here, I just wanted to weigh in as the person responsible for it. I prefer to watch and laugh at stuff, and Streetbeefs just made me feel depressed for some reason that MMA/Ganryujima/Wotore/BKFC doesn't.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Fluffdaddy posted:

For the record I moved the thread to the goldmine

kungpaothereyago.avi

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I save probes for egregious stuff but like 95% of my probes given out are for comedy or bets, and I let the others in the thread either stamp out bad discussions, or if the majority of the thread are participating in something that doesn't actively break rules then let them have the fun. Eg. dunking on Brandon Schaub.

Sometimes offtopic discussions can be good and fun. It's how we got the saga of oildome.

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Oct 27, 2020

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

NienNunb posted:

I wonder why the guy who viewed him as a malicious gimmick poster out to ruin threads didn't fairly punish both parties.

Dude. He already explained why and stepped down as moderator at this point. We are a day past that incident and it was a 6er not a lengthy probation. I think it was a nad probation but this right here in particular is just beating a dead horse now. I'd rather non snippy remarks like this and LC to be the norm and just people offer solutions or remedies rather than trying tonshame someone for a bad move they made. The former helps, the latter just comes off as white noise.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MotU posted:

I know I have sent reports (not really spurious) with the intent to have mods/IKs show up and just curb the situation rather than hoping for probes or the like. P sure mekchu at least had responded to one of my reports like that but idk it could have been reported multiple times.

Unfortunately most of the time it just resulted in a probe but at the same time I didn’t always put “please don’t probe” in the report or something but I tried to trust in judgement.

I believe most things can be talked through, rather than showing up and unloading 6 Hour lead into everyone present

IKs cant see reports unless I am really bad at being an IK.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Also Athanatos made a post in QCS or something. Basically, if a post is reported thats it. There's no more reports alotted to that post and you get the "this post was already reported" response.

I feel like that is an area in need of a lot of fixing but thats a code jockeys job and not something I can help.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

JOHN CENA posted:

i kind of feel like we have outgrown SAS and could probably split off into our own forum proper in The Finer Arts

I sadly disagree with you.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
"So this guy Jack right....he's a cactus (whispers to aide: what the gently caress is this poo poo?)"

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Orange Carlisle posted:

Congrats to Brut and Karmic because you're two great choices but also condolences due to all of the poo poo you'll have to deal with

Jokes on Brut. I nominated him.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

JOHN CENA posted:

i don't think this thread should be used to witch hunt posters.

Same

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MotU posted:

its a 34 year tradition


I think it's OK if a thread didn't get stickied. It's not like it's the end of the world.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

tao of lmao posted:

Wrestling desperately needs an imp zone

i agree

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

tao of lmao posted:

This is the crux of the issue. I've been here for a long time. I've been posting about wresting since before wh2k existed. I've seen the culture of the board change over the years. I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. The moderation here is legitimately good, and at its best this forum can be really fun.

Now look at the Imp Zone. Each of the IZ's individual threads could all theoretically fit in the Games forum, however they wouldn't thrive the way they do on their own. If you read them, there's very little "shitposting" for whatever that means. The posts all stick to a topic and the posters all try to contribute to the topic or make jokes about the topic. There is no rule there that you have to be positive about everything. The imp zone is not byob and no one is asking for a byob wrestling forum. In fact, I made a thread being positive about noted shitheap "Anthem" and had the thread ripped to shreds, posts edited to change the context to something funny, and everyone had a good time (i believe the thread eventually was goldmined even). I wasn't mad that people didn't like the thing I liked, it was funny. I know the posters there are posting joyfully and trying to have a good time.

So what does this mean for a wrestling imp zone? Does everyone need to love everything? No. Will positivity be enforced? No. Will shitposting be allowed? Sure, if it's on topic and/or funny. Are there threads that could exist in a slower moving forum that may not thrive in one with as much turnover as PSP? I think so, but more importantly I'd like to find out. Can a wrestler with a problematic history be mentioned without posters tripping over themselves to let the thread know that they hate the guy for the Right Reasons? God, I fuckin hope so. Would there be gameday threads and weekly discussion threads? I don't think so as I'd like to keep that a PSP thing, but if there was enough support for it, then sure. There is so little to lose here and so much to gain that the opposition from the like 2 people who really hate this idea for some reason is confusing and sad.

I won't post any further on the subject as it's been hashed out twice now and the general reception to the idea is positive. I apologize for getting heated at times, and will endeavor to Do Better in the future. Thank you for reading and hopefully the next time you see a post of mine it is about the treasure behind the waterfall.

Rather than a subforum specifically as an IZ for wrestling, couldn't that be done with a more generalized "sports imp zone" approach?

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

RealFoxy posted:

some of the MMA fans

:smith:

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3968947

please give feedback

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

MJeff posted:

They already paid to unban themselves, so can we just cut the bullshit and perma them? Please?

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shine posted:

The first part of that post was an incorrect assumption, as discussed above. Granted I'm on my phone at the moment and not at the admin panel, but as of a few hours ago, they had not reregged.

On a perma at this point, we're simply going to disagree. I've made it clear why I didn't perma them immediately, and I've laid out how I'll address them if they come back and are any level of nuisance, let alone if the bigotry comes back. They have a chance to return and be a better person. If they blow it, then they're not going to be an ongoing problem here.


I would argue directly harassing based on a disagreement over pro-wrestling someone based off their race/gender/sexual orientation etc. is something that warrants more than just a ban+probe.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shine posted:

I bypassed our usual process to ban a bigot without running it by the mods, and made it clear that it'll be upgraded to a perma if they act a fool again. They're gone, likely for good, and they'll be handled harshly if they come back and keep their bit up. Sorry this doesn't please everybody, but I'm done going in circles about this.


People have been banned for less egregious posts. lol?

Edit - Like what is the process to ban a bigot on SA? It's always been a "no gently caress off, that's a ban" approach, not a "well first we must convene a quorum of the elder mods (those who have not fallen on their swords for cartoon porn in QCS) to then have a preliminary meeting about the merits of what is or is not bannable."

Mekchu fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jun 9, 2021

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shine posted:

Mekchu, you do understand that I banned them, right?

Yeah I do. My point is you were waxing on about how you had to "bypass" the procedure to ban a bigot, which is a stupid line pretty clearly.

Plenty of mods have easily banned ppl for lesser poo poo without needing a whole inquiry into it.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shine posted:

I feel like you're misunderstanding what happened here.

I was pointing that instead of leaving the report for mods to handle (and as admins, we usually take the stance of "mods handle their report") I instead saw a report for what was clearly lovely bigotry, and I banned them without hesitation, versus letting a mod review and it and then later approve what they queued. My aim was to handle a clearly bannable shitlord as expediently as possible, and I did. It literally could not have been handled any faster than it was. So yes, I was bypassing a procedure because I felt it was the right thing to do, and I want to be transparent about what I did and why.

And I'll note that I'm not suggesting the mods acted poorly here. I know that any of them would have queued a ban for that post if they saw it. I just happened to see it first, and I used my discretion to sidestep the usual report/mod/queue/admin flow and jump straight to a ban without running it by anybody. I assume you find that preferable to me letting the report sit in the name of "workflow" until a mod got to the report and queued something, yes?

Ultimately, if me banning a bigot within 30 seconds of me seeing the bigoted post is not expedient enough for you, then I don't know what to tell you other than that I'm not a Facebook algorithm and I can't handle everything instantly.

Cheers for the clarification as yeah there was a misunderstanding of what you meant. Mainly due to basically anytime mods/admins go "we are discussing it"/"following procedure" in any situation similar to this, it has been pretty much a universal net negative. (eg. see the Flavius stuff recently where people called for him to be demodded for months for his shittiness & petty probes/bans, Bobbiewickham, etc.)

You stepping in was good and fine. Why its not a perma if its apparently someone who everyone in the thread agrees is a blatant rereg who came by to stir up poo poo is beyond me since its pretty clear they only came by to cause problems, again.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shine posted:

Mekchu and I are now sworn enemies and I hope they never get to eat a bowl of delicious Fruity Pebbles ever again, but I assure you that will not stop me from banning transphobes in the future.

gently caress Fruity Pebbles. Captain fo lyfe

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Cerebral Bore posted:

This is a bit tangential, but QCS is the last place you want to take any serious complaints.

You're wrong, again. Because actual changes have been enacted via threads made there.

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I have no idea whats going on in the AEW threads or whatever as while I do watch that show I don't post in the threads at all but if someone is saying this

LividLiquid posted:

somebody bought me an avatar of the man who's likely going to be responsible for my murder because they didn't like a wrestling opinion I had.

it is very big :yikes: because...how does that user knows who is going to kill them and why was that happening in the first place?

:confused:

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

yea ok posted:

it’d be nice if manifestos calling people out and asking for them to be removed, making stuff up, etc etc, not be allowed.

Yeah holy poo poo wtf was that post lol

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

STONE COLD 64 posted:

i just want to know why i was put on the list

oh man, if only you knew it'd blow your mind

Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

NienNunb posted:

I can vaguely see the logic of me being on the list, I must have razzed the wrong person at the wrong time once or twice, but you, MRT, and Cav are insane additions.

razzing people's takes or posts isn't harassment though, which is why this whole thing is hilarious and weird to me

then again in the combat sports threads we don't seem to have half as many issues with this sort of stuff and have a lot of the same posters who are somehow the bullies so maybe i have been bullied by them and never knew

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Mekchu
Apr 10, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

you keep using that word...i do not think it means what you think it means

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