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IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

endlessmonotony posted:

This is just lazy, the flip is obvious.

You're using an undefined "possible and practicable" that means whatever you want for it to as your arguments, and by that argument it's trivial to justify ruminant consumption - they eat grasses we don't and produce milk that's rich in b12 which otherwise creates a bottleneck easy to exploit for both profit and warfare.

So, vegans eat beef. And by that standard, I was wrong all along.

oh wait you're the guy who thinks that b12 producing bacteria are literally only found in the guts of ruminants lmao

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biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


endlessmonotony posted:

*shrug* I give people a call of "don't call yourself vegan, attracts the fascists" personally, but that's about it.

lmao. you are very dedicated to the bit, or you have brain worms

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Troutful posted:

Did you know that if you rear male cockroaches in isolation, they develop signs of what we'd consider depression, including a lack of interest in sex?

Not that specific one, but I did know altering the environments of invertebrates creates all sorts of fascinating behaviors.

Now, do they understand these behaviors are abnormal and are they unhappy or just behaving according to instinctive patterns?

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

No. It's "possible and practicable" to not eat beef and still be perfectly fine. Probably a billion or so people exist as proof that this is true.

By not using the ruminants for food you're wasting calories you could harvest, thus needing more land to exploit for agriculture and thus causing suffering to animals inhabiting wild ecosystems.

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007

endlessmonotony posted:

Now, do they understand these behaviors are abnormal and are they unhappy or just behaving according to instinctive patterns?

turn your monitor on

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

IAMKOREA posted:

turn your monitor on

No. :colbert:

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

endlessmonotony posted:

By not using the ruminants for food you're wasting calories you could harvest, thus needing more land to exploit for agriculture and thus causing suffering to animals inhabiting wild ecosystems.

But that's not what you said.

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


i hereby renounce veganism because of fascists and bugs, the two fatal flaws to my analysis on ethical living. i will begin my journey to the truth by eating a McDouble a day, no further questions

Do it ironically
Jul 13, 2010

by Pragmatica
are we just going to ignore that huge swaths of land have been destroyed so we can raise more ruminants and to raise these ruminants we also have to grow plants to feed them? are you trying to tell me, and Ill ignore the whole global warming problem, you trying to tell me that is more feasible than just growing plants? because I have to say if thats your argument youre wrong

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007
so wait in starship troopers the fascists are fighting the bugs. now heinlein was pretty fashy, Verhoeven definitely antifa. and yet they both killed the bugs. in the book, and in the movie. makes you think.

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

IAMKOREA posted:

so wait in starship troopers the fascists are fighting the bugs. now heinlein was pretty fashy, Verhoeven definitely antifa. and yet they both killed the bugs. in the book, and in the movie. makes you think.

:hmmyes:

You say I have brainworms. But you're on the side of not killing worms. Maybe this is the plot of the worms, to drive us all further apart into a division where nothing is accomplished on account of all the infighting between people who all want to preserve nature and kill bugs.

IAMKOREA
Apr 21, 2007
oh wait in the Verhoeven film killing the bugs was bad, you fell into my trap

also in real life killing bugs is bad, just farm in ways that don't require so many insecticides you stupid capitalist pigs. actually let's just guillotine them (the "farmers") and then then we won't need insecticides on our collective farms, in large part due to the biodiversity that we promote (not even joking, not even a little bit)

Edmond Dants0000
Sep 24, 2009

It's necessary to have wished for death in order to know how good it is to live.
jokes on you, I cant fall for these honeypot bad takes, im vegan

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Edmond Dants0000 posted:

jokes on you, I cant fall for these honeypot bad takes, im vegan

:golfclap:

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
lol this thread owns

matti
Mar 31, 2019

spacemang_spliff posted:

lol this thread owns

Accretionist
Nov 7, 2012
I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

spacemang_spliff posted:

lol this thread owns

It'd be nice to have a 'vegan enthusiasm/chit chat/current events' thread.

:colbert:

Edmond Dants0000
Sep 24, 2009

It's necessary to have wished for death in order to know how good it is to live.
I dunno, getting the vegan equivalent of socialists dont believe in private property so the state is going to take your toothbrush on a leftist forum is pretty good

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Accretionist posted:

It'd be nice to have a 'vegan enthusiasm/chit chat/current events' thread.

:colbert:

Crew threads go in CCCC it's under BYOB, C-SPAM's for deranged political arguments that start with the assumption everything's ruined forever and capitalism will twist any argument into its worst possible form.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
I like a lot of vegan food even though I'm not vegan.

vegans have also come up with good recipes for comfort foods that just happen to be low in saturated fat. there's some good mac and cheese recipes that are pretty good that don't use any cheese so I don't feel bad eating a poo poo load of it while watching my stories. although I like deep friend tofu quite a bit and order it too often.

also I feel there's been a lot of progress made in the veggie burger department. also there's a lot of good vegan burritos.

e: the thug kitchen cookbooks are good even though they are full of cringe.

Oolb
Nov 18, 2019
The new cookbook's in, I'm going to make some vegan cheeses and Heil Hitler.

Oolb
Nov 18, 2019
CSPAM: We must remake the earth, philosophy, civilization, and the mind itself immediately if humanity is to survive another ten years, death to liberals, kill all cops.

also CSPAM: I rape and kill animals three times a day because it kinda makes me cum, no I will not stop I'm literally controlled by the Illuminati.

Do it ironically
Jul 13, 2010

by Pragmatica
they better watch out as we speak Im organizing clandestine re-education camps where we will force everyone to not rape and murder animals, revolution is coming !

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Oolb posted:

also CSPAM: I rape and kill animals three times a day because it kinda makes me cum, no I will not stop I'm literally controlled by the Illuminati.

I have an ailment that requires at least one hundred cow deaths a day. how dare you mock me, you cryptofascist.

P.S. B12

Do it ironically
Jul 13, 2010

by Pragmatica
re-education is going to take a while though theres only like 3-4% of us in British Columbia, we will get there namaste

Edmond Dants0000
Sep 24, 2009

It's necessary to have wished for death in order to know how good it is to live.
veganism is unnatural I say maoishly as I load another 2 litre Mountain Dew into my posting chair

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Do it ironically posted:

re-education is going to take a while though theres only like 3-4% of us in British Columbia, we will get there namaste

im gay and i only eat insect cheese omelettes, therefore you and the rest of you v*gans are homophobic exclusionaries

edit: im gay

biceps crimes has issued a correction as of 02:11 on Nov 14, 2020

Do it ironically
Jul 13, 2010

by Pragmatica

gay_crimes posted:

im gay and i only eat insect cheese omelettes, therefore you and the rest of you v*gans are homophobic exclusionaries

edit: im gay

A vegan lotr meme but instead of fighting with juggalos its alcoholics

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
My biggest problem with veganism is that all vegans weigh 90 pounds and have cirrhosis and brittle bone disease

Good soup!
Nov 2, 2010

endlessmonotony posted:

Look at the arguments being tossed against me here, especially their construction and tone.

You're demanding evidence with parameters where you've already decided victory no matter the evidence based on extremely obvious cover to a basic motte-and-bailey.

This is why leftist spaces are hostile to vegans. Because vegan arguments are a motte-and-bailey cover to ecofascism.

Which is funny because going meatfree is meanwhile very popular, because you have a human well-being argument with no space for a reversal for that one.

A motte...and bailey

A stone castle

A royal castle

Bot 02
Apr 2, 2010

Dude... Did my plushie just talk?
I'm opposed to the slaughter of billions of beings because I'm a fascist

Bot 02
Apr 2, 2010

Dude... Did my plushie just talk?
My main reason for wanting to minimize the abuse and exploitation of animals (of which humans are a part) is because I hate people with disabilities

baw
Nov 5, 2008

RESIDENT: LAISSEZ FAIR-SNEZHNEVSKY INSTITUTE FOR FORENSIC PSYCHIATRY

Crane Fist posted:

My biggest problem with veganism is that all vegans weigh 90 pounds and have cirrhosis and brittle bone disease

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00SWOUnAgL0

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Crane Fist posted:

My biggest problem with veganism is that all vegans weigh 90 pounds and have cirrhosis and brittle bone disease

We all have b12 deficiency as well!

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Bot 02 posted:

I'm opposed to the slaughter of billions of beings because I'm a fascist


Bot 02 posted:

My main reason for wanting to minimize the abuse and exploitation of animals (of which humans are a part) is because I hate people with disabilities

:hmmyes:

Can't wait to enforce mandatory lentil consumption in the coming vegan gestapo. Hemp jackboot goosestepping in formation down the street as the carnists get the wall

biceps crimes has issued a correction as of 19:31 on Nov 14, 2020

some plague rats
Jun 5, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

steroids aren't vegan!!!

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


Crane Fist posted:

steroids aren't vegan!!!

im pretty sure anabolic steroids are synthesized from plants, furthermore once factory farming is abolished, we will need to repurpose all of the aas like trenbolone acetate that were developed purely for reducing birth to slaughter times down and improved feed efficiency in livestock. I think getting some geared up vegan muscle boys moving impressively heavy things would be a worthwhile repurposing, as very large and muscular bodies are something vegans and non-vegans alike can appreciate, though I may be doing an accidental fascism.

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕

Clarence Kennedy rules but he's also on a lot of gear

Do it ironically
Jul 13, 2010

by Pragmatica
im vegan, give me all your b12

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jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

Crane Fist posted:

My biggest problem with veganism is that all vegans weigh 90 pounds and have cirrhosis and brittle bone disease

like i know about clarence kennedy and that other strongman guy but i cannot imagine consistently eating 200g/day of protein from bean paste or whatever vegans are allowed to eat

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