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Nov 18, 2016

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Would you support Republicans and Democrats forming their own unions?
No, it's an incredibly stupid idea.
How do you envision that being accomplished without devolving into civil war?
I don't. If I have to pretend that I do, it's that one side manages to completely blindside the other and skips immediately to the wholesale massacre of civilians that any civil war would entail.
Or is civil war more likely if we maintain the status quo?
It's significantly less likely than if we try to turn neighbor against neighbor in the nightmare scenario that is the balkanization of America.

Seriously, either the differences in America are resolvable through the usual American political process of street violence and laws being passed to cool that street violence down or the country balkanizes and the term balkanizes gets replaced with americanizes as we descend into an actual war of all against all. The idea that either side in the multifarious disagreements we have in America is going to back down is comical. Are you from outside the US, because if you're inside it you're a danger to yourself if you're honestly this stupid.

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Nov 18, 2016

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

Not with that attitude.

Really though, why not? There's historical and current precedent for city states, as well as places where people have to cross borders every day to go to work/school, even in the US!

Because the rural areas of this country want to crush the urban areas. It's not enough to be left alone to be god-bothering gay hating bigots, the rest of us have to be culturally aligned with them too or else we'll inevitably seduce their children and grandchildren with our freedom loving ways. Genuinely, a not insignificant chunk of Americans want a theocracy that reflects their understanding of God or they want to kill whoever doesn't want that until they get that. You're essentially proposing that we make future generations of Americans born into rural hellholes have to plan an escape and successfully flee to a different country. That's not a tenable situation, two countries that are that badly divided are going to war if they're neighbors.

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Nov 18, 2016

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roomforthetuna posted:

Do people think republican-only states would descend into horrific violence? I thought the idea was more that they'd descend into near-universal subsistence poverty with a few Bezoses enslaving the rest, who all totally go along with it and think it's the best thing ever.

Oh wait, that's just the status quo, lol.

You get that the only thing keeping the various militias from killing people until the militias turn on one another is the federal government right? The thing with authoritarians is that they need an Other, and right now that's the feds. If for some reason the feds vanished overnight and the various state governments became the government the hatred would transfer to them overnight, etc. etc. until you get down to the Montana Freemen going to war with the Missoula Antifa ie. a black teenager. They're not going to turn into subsistence farmers, they're going to turn into marauders. If they were going to be subsistence farmers they could already be doing that, they want the country to balkanize so they can start killing people.

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