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Acebuckeye13 posted:I'll admit that I had not remembered the specifics in Biden's role in pushing the AUMF through the Senate, which is probably because I was about 9 when the hearings were occurring and I wasn't quite as tuned in to politics as I am now That didn't stop you from defending him. 
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Nov 9, 2020 05:21
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Mostly because regardless of his actions in the Senate, to describe him as an architect of the war is still deeply wrong in comparison to the actions of Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Franks, etc. Good point. He's more like the engineer that signed off on the design for the murder machine and said LOOKS GOOD TO ME BOYS, but nit the architect.
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Nov 9, 2020 05:58
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Glass of Milk posted:And so we press him now and hold him accountable if he doesn't. But going in with abject defeatism from the get go seems pretty loving stupid. Just a reminder, on 1/20/21 Joe Biden can legally put you on a classified kill list and have you vaporized, literally vaporized. That is the power differential you will have to overcome. How are you going to hold him accountable?
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Nov 9, 2020 23:39
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Glass of Milk posted:Yes, there is a power differential. But to say that elections are the only way to effect change is patently untrue. If political power is the be all and end all, then how could Republicans, in charge of all branches of government, fail to repeal Obamacare? Look at the entire #MeToo movement, the civil rights movement, the gay rights movement, suffragists, and so forth: they effected change from without the halls of power. Lyndon B Johnson, a racist, signed the Civil Rights Act. I missed the underlined part my first readthrough. There's so many words unrelated to how Biden can be held accountable that I missed it. Even reading it now, though, there's no real plan. There's just a invocation of previous movements. #MeToo is dead, killed to protect Joe Biden from Tara Reade. Civil rights, gay rights, and suffrage were all advanced by disruptive protest. All three groups had people willing to be beaten, jailed, and die for their cause. When I ask you how you will hold Biden accountable, it's not because I don't know about protest and direct action. I want to know if you do, and if you are willing to be brutalized for your beliefs. Are you willing to organize or participate in disruptive action? And I'm not advocating violent action, even though you will be called violent no matter what. I only push back against the idea of pushing Biden left because it seema like most people that espouse it have no idea just what it entails. Dixon Chisholm fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Nov 10, 2020 |
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That's not a plan, it's an encyclopedia entry. Dixon Chisholm posted:
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:For some of the pessimists, to include those who references the quote, it may be good to remember it was not saying he'd mostly keep things the way they are, but that rich lives wouldn't really change if they were taxed higher to support progressive programs like expanding health care, combating climate change and spending on infrastructure. He wasn't saying nothing would change for the poor and working class. Losing money is a substantial change to a rich person. Wealth messes with your head, and after a certain point, all you have left in your life is the pursuit of more money.
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