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Jan 6, 2021 15:17
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So how much will McConnell's refusal to go with the $2000 stimulus be blamed for him losing Senate Majority?
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Jan 6, 2021 15:22
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:So how much will McConnell's refusal to go with the $2000 stimulus be blamed for him losing Senate Majority? I dunno but I’ve been using that fact to try and hammer home to my chud father the republicans are not looking out for us. I wonder what this means for marijuana legalization.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:26
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:So how much will McConnell's refusal to go with the $2000 stimulus be blamed for him losing Senate Majority? Half the GOP will blame him for this, the other half will (privately) blame Trump and his shenanigans. The two worst people you know are about to just loving rip each other apart.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:26
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Kraftwerk posted:Will this mean that Stacey will gain more influence in the Democratic Party to strengthen their vote in other states too? I feel like Stacey is getting too much credit. Grassroots activists, either from youth groups or backed by Church orgs, is what pushed this, just like Latino orgs in Arizona helped turn that state in the wave of activism that occurred in the wake of extremely racist anti-Latino legislation.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:28
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Eric Cantonese posted:So I'm not sure which thread is the best for this question... Part of his path to victory was also that his three biggest primary rivals were women, one white former mayor of Columbus in Teresa Tomlinson, one CEO in Riggs Amico and one civil rights attorney and activist in Dillard-Smith. Both were less known, ossoff had name recognition from the 2017 special he almost won and the rest of the field was even lesser known. Like, there wasn’t a big conspiracy to get him the nom. He won it, but mostly because he almost won a previous election and was popular in the suburbs around Atlanta. He was a good polished campaigner. I saw them all speak at an event last December and he was clearly the most prepared, even if he came off as a young dudebro. The three women who trailed him (by a lot) in the primary all would have been an upgrade over Purdue and at least one of them had better politics (that aligned with mine) than Ossoff.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:29
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Eric Cantonese posted:So I'm not sure which thread is the best for this question... Wait until nay sayers start up who have have constructed a 'just so' story in their head where actually Ossoff winning by a small margin is way worse for the left because reasons. You'll hear all about why he's just so horrible we would have been better off if Trump had won as a write in.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:29
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:So how much will McConnell's refusal to go with the $2000 stimulus be blamed for him losing Senate Majority? Given how most Republican party members and donors hate spending any money, I would be surprised if he gets any kind of substantial blowback for this. Wouldn't many admire him for his principled stance against BIG GOVERNMENT?
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Jan 6, 2021 15:31
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Coredump posted:I wonder what this means for marijuana legalization. With Biden and Harris at the helm? Nothing.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:31
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https://twitter.com/ryanmatsumoto1/status/1346668945571418117?s=21
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Jan 6, 2021 15:33
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Depends on what happens now that Trump’s mutants are disengaged from politics again. Some of those people are the eternal base of the party and just go along with whatever is served up, but are there enough of them left? Currently, they are angry and being told to go after anyone who betrayed Trump. You want a peek inside that mindset, look at a Ben Garrison comic in the Political Comics thread. Or check out this Tweet. https://twitter.com/BradMossEsq/status/1346637313372278785?s=19
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Jan 6, 2021 15:33
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Bad Munki posted:With Biden and Harris at the helm? Nothing. Harris is publicly in favor of federal legalization, and Biden is unlikely to veto anything that comes from the Senate.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:33
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Murgos posted:Wait until nay sayers start up who have have constructed a 'just so' story in their head where actually Ossoff winning by a small margin is way worse for the left because reasons. You'll hear all about why he's just so horrible we would have been better off if Trump had won as a write in. Yah, control of the legislative and executive branches turned out really well for the Democrats last time. Any downside was greatly outdone by the wealth of great legislation and progressive trailblazing that the Obama administration accomplished. Our country was able to come out of the other side of the Trump administration in the vibrantly powerful position it's in today because of all the robust infrastructure that the Democrats were able to install within the federal government.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:35
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Eric Cantonese posted:Given how most Republican party members and donors hate spending any money, I would be surprised if he gets any kind of substantial blowback for this. Wouldn't many admire him for his principled stance against BIG GOVERNMENT? Principled stands mean little when you are now shut out of the government for 2, maybe 4 years.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:35
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I was curious about the next steps for Loeffler and Purdue in Georgia, so I quick found the recount rules. We probably all know the <=0.5% recount rule, that at or below that threshold, a candidate can request a recount and it happens. Looks like that’s not gonna happen, though, so what’s plan B? quote:If there is a suspected error or discrepancy in the returns, an election official can ask for a recount. So plan C, then? quote:If a candidate for federal or state office petitions the Secretary of State regarding a suspected error or discrepancy, the Secretary of State can ask for a recount.  I don’t know what is.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:40
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Pick posted:Harris is publicly in favor of federal legalization, and Biden is unlikely to veto anything that comes from the Senate. Oh, that’s good, I must have mis-remembered her stance on that before. Right on.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:42
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The Question IRL posted:Currently, they are angry and being told to go after anyone who betrayed Trump. Good. No, seriously, good; these bastards deserve this and more for supporting Trump and the conditions that led to Trump. I hope no conservative politician gets a moment of peace for the rest of their lives. This is the bed they made.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:45
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Pick posted:Harris is publicly in favor of federal legalization, and Biden is unlikely to veto anything that comes from the Senate. Its more likely to be blocked by Dems with hang-ups about it like possibly Manchin? There's a wing of the Republicans which is completely down with legal weed so they might be able to make up ground there. Mitch had a reefer-madness like view of weed amd was definitely the biggest block to this despite Kentucky having almost ideal conditions climate and terrain-wise for marijuana production (it was the biggest hemp producer in the country before it became illegal and was the second biggest marijuana producer pre-Colorado) so its way more hopeful now.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:45
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Yah, control of the legislative and executive branches turned out really well for the Democrats last time. Any downside was greatly outdone by the wealth of great legislation and progressive trailblazing that the Obama administration accomplished. Our country was able to come out of the other side of the Trump administration in the vibrantly powerful position it's in today because of all the robust infrastructure that the Democrats were able to install within the federal government. I assume this is sarcasm but essentially, yes this is what I expect to see. Some justification where Trump and the Republican controlled government of the last 4 years was really the Democrats fault because *reasons* even though no republican senator voted for an Obama initiative his entire tenure and that somehow Ossoff winning is just a continuation of Democratic party failings.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:55
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:So how much will McConnell's refusal to go with the $2000 stimulus be blamed for him losing Senate Majority? The wondrous thing is half of them will blame McConnell (the Trumpian populists), and the other half will blame Trump and the kooks. Circular firing squad.
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Jan 6, 2021 15:56
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TulliusCicero posted:Trump is hosed The loving phone call with my (GA) SoS needs to be followed up with the strongest reasonable charges and sentences possible. It is unreal that a president and a couple of lawyers thought it was appropriate to do that in the United States.
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Jan 6, 2021 16:01
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:Its more likely to be blocked by Dems with hang-ups about it like possibly Manchin? There's a wing of the Republicans which is completely down with legal weed so they might be able to make up ground there. But the difference now is that there is a better chance these things actually get voted on. Once senators have to go on the record, its harder to dodge taking unpopular positions. That's what Mitch McConnell's job has been since becoming Majority leader-- just keep Senate Republicans from having to take any unpopular votes by refusing to bring up any bill passed by the Dem House-- even if it would pass with moderate GOP and Dem support. Mitch took all the heat and the hate, while people like Perdue or Collins got to pretend to be concerned, or say they would support it if it came up for a vote. That game ends in a few weeks. What will Schumer bring to the floor? Will he block bills that progressives want? Will there be some failure theater? Sure. But Schumer will actually be responsive to pressure from the Democratic base and the left, whereas Mitch doesn't give a poo poo what you think. For a demonstrative lesson, no amount of public pressure was ever going to get Mitch to bring the 2k checks to a vote. Further, Manchin may be able to sink anything, but so can Sanders or Merkley. A 50-50 Senate with legislative agenda set by Schumer is going to be very interesting.
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Jan 6, 2021 16:06
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Yeah, Mitch isn't uniquely evil for his party, just unusually willing to accept negative energy from the public.
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Jan 6, 2021 16:10
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Pick posted:Yeah, Mitch isn't uniquely evil for his party, just unusually willing to accept negative energy from the public. He’s been in the senate since what, 1984? He has no consequences for his actions. If I’m doing “bad” poo poo and there’s no consequences is it bad?
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Jan 6, 2021 16:12
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Earth posted:He’s been in the senate since what, 1984? He has no consequences for his actions. If I’m doing “bad” poo poo and there’s no consequences is it bad? His house is actually in a very liberal neighborhood and he pretty regularly has protests and meals out interrupted. He's denied service at restaurants quite a bit and I know for a fact that he tried to book a table at Jack Fry's (fanciest restaurant in the city) for derby and was denied for being Mitch McConnell. Most politicians either want to change poo poo or they just want to feel like a big shot who everyone loves. It's genuinely very rare to meet a Senator who does not care if he cannot step outside his door without having his takeout box of Havana Rumba slammed into the ground of Bardstown Road by a passerby or have to abort a trip to Paul's Fruit Market for some bananas because the entire store began booing so long as he can have power for its own sake.
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Jan 6, 2021 16:25
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:His house is actually in a very liberal neighborhood and he pretty regularly has protests and meals out interrupted. He's denied service at restaurants quite a bit and I know for a fact that he tried to book a table at Jack Fry's (fanciest restaurant in the city) for derby and was denied for being Mitch McConnell. I'm convinced that this is how he feeds and you might be able to destroy him if you hugged him or said "i love you".
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Jan 6, 2021 16:28
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Pick posted:I'm convinced that this is how he feeds and you might be able to destroy him if you hugged him or said "i love you". There's a buddhist tale that this is how a monk finally exorcised demons from his cave after chasing them, reading sutras to them and holy rituals just made the demons bigger so I'd believe it.
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Jan 6, 2021 16:33
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nachos posted:I moved from New York to Georgia less than a year ago and never in my wildest dreams did I think our votes would matter this much. Feels good Welcome home nachos. Now let me eat you (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 6, 2021 16:48
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Centurium posted:Like ludicrously, crazy hard. 98% of eligible Georgians are registered to vote. Is anyone in the DNC looking to replicate this in, say, Texas or Ohio? Probably not, huh?
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Jan 6, 2021 16:50
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Petr posted:Is anyone in the DNC looking to replicate this in, say, Texas or Ohio? Sounds like work, dude.
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Jan 6, 2021 16:51
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Pick posted:I'm convinced that this is how he feeds and you might be able to destroy him if you hugged him or said "i love you". Boy are we never going to find that out
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Jan 6, 2021 16:56
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Petr posted:Is anyone in the DNC looking to replicate this in, say, Texas or Ohio? It's easier to hire consultants to look busy.
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Jan 6, 2021 16:57
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Also, it'll be interesting to see a majority leader actually punished for losing. At least the Republicans have that going for them.
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Jan 6, 2021 17:05
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The Bloop posted:Boy are we never going to find that out 
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Jan 6, 2021 17:07
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Grayly Squirrel posted:But the difference now is that there is a better chance these things actually get voted on. Small procedure question here that maybe is more appropriate for USPOL - what's to stop Mitch from filibustering any bills that come up and effectively blocking everything that way? Is the difference that R senators are more accountable for not helping to break it vs. them having no opportunity to say anything either way because it just never came up?
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Jan 6, 2021 17:07
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Mykroft posted:Small procedure question here that maybe is more appropriate for USPOL - what's to stop Mitch from filibustering any bills that come up and effectively blocking everything that way? Is the difference that R senators are more accountable for not helping to break it vs. them having no opportunity to say anything either way because it just never came up? They still have to vote for cloture. And because most Americans don't understand the Senate then you can go "See they voted against (bill you really want)." Which isn't actually an inaccurate thing to say.
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Jan 6, 2021 17:14
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:So how much will McConnell's refusal to go with the $2000 stimulus be blamed for him losing Senate Majority? With how close things have been, it probably would have made the difference. His refusal to push it in October probably cost them both the White House and the senate.
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Jan 6, 2021 17:18
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Shifty Pony posted:With how close things have been, it probably would have made the difference. His refusal to push it in October probably cost them both the White House and the senate. Awww see, those twee little articles about how Biden and McConnell knew each other were right. Mitch gave Biden the presidency and the senate, what a friend!
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Jan 6, 2021 17:20
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I'm sure everything will go right back to being poo poo soon enough, but at this moment, it's funny as hell that the Republicans managed to gaslight themselves into losing two Senate seats. Also mad props to Stacey Abrams and her crew
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Jan 6, 2021 17:24
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Shageletic posted:I feel like Stacey is getting too much credit. Grassroots activists, either from youth groups or backed by Church orgs, is what pushed this, just like Latino orgs in Arizona helped turn that state in the wave of activism that occurred in the wake of extremely racist anti-Latino legislation. This, and the fact that Abrams has teams of smart people working under her. It's not all one person.
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