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Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011



Jonny 290 posted:

things i do not value at more than like 60 a month:

gigabit download (really only 700mbps max, if you hit a cdn datacenter) with 10mbps upload and it goes down three times a day
100mbps down / 6mbps up and i have to reset my modem every morning at 10:10 AM when my first zoom of the day starts and so does everybody else's and their RF bukkake warehouse can't keep my channels clean


things i would pay $100 a month for:

20/20 guaranteed to a backbone and it goes down less than once a month
10/10 with jitter and ping time SLAs


like give me just a good cable modem from 2003 before everybody and their mother was watching netflix 24/7 on a cable modem

I got 1000/100 recently because my ISP remembered they were on DOCSIS 3 and their competitor is laying symmetrical residential FTTH everywhere (except my city, lmao gently caress me) and it's a godsend. I could actually max out the gigabit down if I didn't saturate a GbE firewall on a stick and thus were limited to about 500 Mbps of actual downstream from the internet

though I am secure in the knowledge that if the internet collapses I will be able to help rebuild it through analogue phone lines and T1 trunks because I know the line codes and layer 1 properties of those media and maybe in the post-post-apocalypse I'll finally be respected enough in my field to be able to stay employed *and* become girl


e: wow gently caress this was a horrible quasi-sadness snype sorry lads and lasses. also sorry for missing the zcast today friend I was roped into wow by some RL friends

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mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

Kazinsal posted:

I got 1000/100 recently because my ISP remembered they were on DOCSIS 3 and their competitor is laying symmetrical residential FTTH everywhere (except my city, lmao gently caress me) and it's a godsend. I could actually max out the gigabit down if I didn't saturate a GbE firewall on a stick and thus were limited to about 500 Mbps of actual downstream from the internet

though I am secure in the knowledge that if the internet collapses I will be able to help rebuild it through analogue phone lines and T1 trunks because I know the line codes and layer 1 properties of those media and maybe in the post-post-apocalypse I'll finally be respected enough in my field to be able to stay employed *and* become girl


e: wow gently caress this was a horrible quasi-sadness snype sorry lads and lasses. also sorry for missing the zcast today friend I was roped into wow by some RL friends

don’t apologize for being real

the best I ever get from my supposedly gigabit and 30 up is hitting ~700mbps from steam

even the fibre a local company is laying down is hugely asymmetrical. very disappointing

Fabricated
Apr 9, 2007

Living the Dream
My local power utility asked their customers what they wanted as far as services and everyone asked for better internet, so they bought a local ISP that has been around for decades and they're laying fiber for those of us who can't get the other fiber service in town.

The Xfinity poo poo here is flaky as hell, but all of the fiber services here start at 250/250 and go to 1000/1000.

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

Jonny 290 posted:

hilariously given the fact that the internet ityool 2020 is falling the gently caress apart, mosh + vim is the most robust counter to lovely internet tubes when you're trying to get fiddly with anything on a remote console. we're back in '73 all over again

actually it's emacs

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

nice to see fedora commited, then hopefully our rpi 400 will be able to run a proper linux distro

Fedora 34 To Proceed With An AArch64 KDE Plasma Desktop Spin

psiox
Oct 15, 2001

Babylon 5 Street Team
are decent hardware features like e.g. hardware video acceleration even supported when booting raspis as aarch64 these days?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

no idea, but either way, don't. it only has 4 gigabytes of ram, so just do default 32bit raspbian and enjoy the minimalism and broad ecosystem of weird specific hacks.

part of the beauty of the home microcomputer of yesteryear was along those lines as well, run a glacial basic interpreter as the default interaction because the joy of computing was the point, not squeezing out every last bit of performance.

psiox
Oct 15, 2001

Babylon 5 Street Team
yeah, that's a wise way to look at it

neat little device, i'd be tempted if i didn't already have two raspis 3 not doing much

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




still not available in God’s own New Zealand

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



mine finally shipped today.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



if I get one of these, the plan is to set it to auto login to a user whose shell is a repl. probably ruby but maybe python

little jones can't read enough to use one though and I already have a pi4 that gets almost no use as a server device. I legit don't know what I'd do with a pi client device once I got it set up. maybe hook it up with a portable battery and display? it's not like I'm gonna ever want to plug it in to...anything

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




still not available in New Zealand

I want my covid infested tech

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
maybe they think its actually raspberries and they're all quarantined in a shipping container

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
poo poo I love the idea of dev boards

I even enjoy writing c


I also have no worthwhile use for them :qq:

but these things



https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...earchweb201603_

are so good and bright.

imagine having the motivation to make a cool helmet

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

tested the rpi 400 for a while now

my conclusion is: gently caress you broadcom, your linux stuff is poop from a butt

psiox
Oct 15, 2001

Babylon 5 Street Team

Tankakern posted:

gently caress you broadcom, your linux stuff is poop from a butt

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016

Tankakern posted:

linux stuff is poop from a butt

:hmmyes:

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

by Fluffdaddy
I like eating rear end.. will I like this?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


echinopsis posted:

I like eating rear end.. will I like this?

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

lol

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
bonk

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Good Sphere posted:


it’s simple computer-inside-the-keyboard which gives me nostalgia of 80’s computers like this (except that in never owned one)

I owned a bunch of these and they sucked poo poo, OP.

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




I bought a pi4 and it’s good. don’t know what to do with it other than play mames

Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

I bought a pi4 and it’s good. don’t know what to do with it other than play mames

i installed VirtualMan's Retroarch Attrack image thing on my rpi4b and use it for playing a lot of n64/snes games with steam link/moonlight for bigger pc games lounging on the couch. if all else fails you can use it as Moonlight connection to your desktop for streaming games

works well and with some good passive cooling/fan you can OC it and run n64 games at like 2x resolution mostly fine.

Jimmy Carter
Nov 3, 2005

THIS MOTHERDUCKER
FLIES IN STYLE
I should cross-post this somewhere but some big institutions recently went bust and unused HP T640 thin clients are selling for $100

15 watt Ryzen CPU that is surprisingly deece, passively cooled, comes with 4GB RAM/16 GB eMMC but it has all the standoffs to shove whatever NVMe stick in there, and a miniPCIe wifi card you can replace with a fiber NIC if you're feeling fancy.

what I'm trying to say is don't buy an rPi for home server stuff because by the time you get all the dongles and poo poo you're most of the way there to this thing and it owns owns owns.

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

rpi, all of them, is still things you use for education, or for making appliances. trying to use it as a desktop just emulates what windows users in yospos thinks linux is like

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

Jimmy Carter posted:

I should cross-post this somewhere but some big institutions recently went bust and unused HP T640 thin clients are selling for $100

15 watt Ryzen CPU that is surprisingly deece, passively cooled, comes with 4GB RAM/16 GB eMMC but it has all the standoffs to shove whatever NVMe stick in there, and a miniPCIe wifi card you can replace with a fiber NIC if you're feeling fancy.

what I'm trying to say is don't buy an rPi for home server stuff because by the time you get all the dongles and poo poo you're most of the way there to this thing and it owns owns owns.

Thx for this. I snagged one for $100 on ebay and it's my stimulus splurge. If the internals are the same as what I've seen online it has two dd4 slots as well. I'll probably play around with it, then gift it to my parents.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
lol back to $200 already. good shoutout though!

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



theres these with no nothing but the box. tempting but i already have enough spare computer projects

https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-T640-Th...RYAAOSw-e1emNHR

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
gently caress, that thing's only 20% behind a 4670. notbad

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

Jonny 290 posted:

gently caress, that thing's only 20% behind a 4670. notbad

It looks like a 2200U/3200U. The big difference between them is 2666mhz support and zen 1 had some hardware bugs that impact legacy OSes and virtualization of legacy OS. I've got a 3200U laptop already and it's a surprising powerhouse. Runs dolphin and pcsx2 at decent settings.


Tankakern posted:

rpi, all of them, is still things you use for education, or for making appliances. trying to use it as a desktop just emulates what windows users in yospos thinks linux is like

It's surprisingly usable from a hardware perspective. The software has that 1990s Linux vibe yospos remembers because most of it is cobbled together by the community. There was a big issue when the Pi 4 launched with pygpiod because the maintainer stopped updating it, and the raspi foundation was counting on it being community maintained.

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



i used linux in the 1990s. i'm not looking to go back

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




remember the 90s though???

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

remember the 90s though???

Debian 3.0 forever (like, it was literally around forever because they couldn't finish 4).

I literally hoard pi zeros b/c I was digging computers out of dumpsters to get parts for my PC XT (also from a dumpster). Somehow it comforts the lingering fear I'm going to have to fight the e-cyclers like some kind of digital vermin to have a PC. |

Raspi's are great for nerdy kids whose family only has a laptop or cell phones. I did outreach through the BSA at community centers located in or near public housing projects. Being able to give a nerdy poor kid a $5 computer he could hook up to his TV and program was p. amazing.

That's pretty much what they were made for.

Edit: woody was 2002....

SYSV Fanfic fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Mar 8, 2021

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

the problem with rpis is that everytime you want to do something with video or whatever, you have to use the extremely bad and proprietary sdks that broadcom makes and noone else uses. that'll work for installing kodi or whatever, but good luck in getting youtube to run smooth in firefox on your rpi400, it'll never happen. the apis don't work properly in aarch64 mode either.

it _could_ be a good system, because the hardware can support it, but since it's broadcom that produces the software it'll never happen.

not only video accel either. has rpi ever had an open usb stack that has actually worked?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

which is not great, but afaik there is no alternative even distantly as cheap/good, and in the end having a learning/development computer with closed source compromises is vastly better than having nothing.

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

Tankakern posted:

the problem with rpis is that everytime you want to do something with video or whatever, you have to use the extremely bad and proprietary sdks that broadcom makes and noone else uses. that'll work for installing kodi or whatever, but good luck in getting youtube to run smooth in firefox on your rpi400, it'll never happen. the apis don't work properly in aarch64 mode either.

it _could_ be a good system, because the hardware can support it, but since it's broadcom that produces the software it'll never happen.

not only video accel either. has rpi ever had an open usb stack that has actually worked?

Broadcom doesn't make the software though. It's the pi foundation and the community. The proprietary drivers are for android, not x11. The move to wayland greatly, greatly reduces the work required to implement a decent, desktop compatible driver.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E07dNuISNM

as far as USB stacks, moving the ethernet and wifi off the USB bus has done wonders for stability on the pi 4.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



SYSV Fanfic posted:

Being able to give a nerdy poor kid a $5 computer he could hook up to his TV and program was p. amazing.
teaching children to touch computers should be child abuse

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma
Lipstick Apathy
computers use to cost over $1500 just to send email and word processing for homework
its a good thing poor families can do homework now, before I got a computer I used a loving typewriter

pram
Jun 10, 2001
i wrote high school papers on a typewriter whats the prob

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Smug Mug
Jul 21, 2011

pram posted:

i wrote high school papers on a typewriter whats the prob

cannot view pornography on a typewriter

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