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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Endless Mike posted:

teaching children to touch computers should be child abuse

abstinence-only approaches never work.

Smug Mug posted:

cannot view pornography on a typewriter

ascii porn predates computers.

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SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

Perplx posted:

computers use to cost over $1500 just to send email and word processing for homework
its a good thing poor families can do homework now, before I got a computer I used a loving typewriter

My family finally bought a computer (k6-2) b/c my sister literally cried over having to type her senior portfolio on the electric typewriter. I remember showing my dad charts and graphs about the difference between 16mb of ram and 32mb of ram for windows 98, b/c it ran like crap and he agreed to upgrade it. I didn't know it had to have two sticks, so we wound up with 64mb. Making an upgrade pitch and apologizing for a budget overrun. Really prepared me for engineering.

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

Endless Mike posted:

teaching children to touch computers should be child abuse

the world in 2021, famously navigable without a computer

Fart Sandwiches
Apr 4, 2006

i never asked for this
I got one of these keyboard pis and never even took it out the box. someday....

Fart Sandwiches fucked around with this message at 20:26 on Mar 8, 2021

Ocean of Milk
Jun 25, 2018

oh yeah
The Land of Lisp dude has made a similar thing with an inbuilt screen:

https://twitter.com/lisperati/status/1357029088343506944

looks kinda uncomfortable to use, isn't the tiny screen way to far away? plus you gotta bend your neck. Also lol no dedicated Paren-buttons despite being a lisp thing.

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

quote:


Only 3 will ever be built.

good.

There Will Be Penalty
May 18, 2002

Makes a great pet!

Ocean of Milk posted:

looks kinda uncomfortable to use, isn't the tiny screen way to far away? plus you gotta bend your neck.

eh, seems no worse than the psion series 5 (and gemini pda) form factor.

quote:

Also lol no dedicated Paren-buttons despite being a lisp thing.

well, tbf you have to use a modifier key to type parentheses on almost any keyboard ever. I'd've gone with 60% simply to have standardized placement of almost everything.

There Will Be Penalty
May 18, 2002

Makes a great pet!
with a hinge it'd be SO close to the sony vaio p form factor, which seems a much better form factor for a portable posting station.

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

Ocean of Milk posted:

The Land of Lisp dude has made a similar thing with an inbuilt screen:
looks kinda uncomfortable to use, isn't the tiny screen way to far away? plus you gotta bend your neck. Also lol no dedicated Paren-buttons despite being a lisp thing.

I'm working on an ESP32/micropython computer like that with a guy. His first keyboard was also... lacking.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp

Fart Sandwiches posted:

I got one of these keyboard pis and never even took it out the box. someday....

they're like 1000x more convenient than having a 30 gram computer swaying on the end of one of those stupid heavy HDMI cables. i love my 400 and it's my snes and psx emulation computer.

also tbh the keyboard is not bad and reminds me of Good Macbook Keyboard a bit.

really like how they moved to usb-c with that one, too. the old "you gotta have a REALLY GOOD POWER BRICK for a pi" thing is gone, any usbc is going to run it very stably now.

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

that's the thing. you have to use the rpi400 for either emulation, a media top box, or hardware tinkering. it sucks for regular desktop computing.

re: drivers - broadcom's reason might be android, but they develop linux sdk's too, but they do it like it was windows. they couldn't care less for mainline or actually using any standards.

how long has rpi's been out now? since 2012? even after almost 10 years, there has been no working open drivers for any of the rpis. the closest thing we have is that vc4 vulkan driver for the rpi4.

you should never choose broadcom if you have a choice. the point with rpi is that you don't actually have a choice. 10 years of community development has very little to show for, and guess who's to blame.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



Tankakern posted:

that's the thing. you have to use the rpi400 for either emulation, a media top box, or hardware tinkering. it sucks for regular desktop computing.

what is your point here, this is like bitching about what a pain in the rear end it is to run libreoffice on a plc. the pi is built for cheap tinkering and if you're trying to use it as an inexpensive desktop replacement you're bound to be frustrated.

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

because the rpi400 markets itself as a ~personal computer~

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Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

the biggest reason, by far and entirely honestly, why the rpi400 should not be considered a general personal computer is that it runs linux. no hardware flaw or other lack is as big an issue for the idea that some average person would pick one up thinking they'd do their computing on it.

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
and linux on ARM, where your selection of software is even limiteder

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


More like Raspberry Why

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

Cybernetic Vermin posted:

the biggest reason, by far and entirely honestly, why the rpi400 should not be considered a general personal computer is that it runs linux. no hardware flaw or other lack is as big an issue for the idea that some average person would pick one up thinking they'd do their computing on it.

gently caress you, and gently caress broadcom

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
pis have always been shilled as the "i'm a poor person in the third world who was going to die in a ditch but some uni sent me a RASPBERRY PI and now i'm celebrating my 19th approved pull request for linux-kernel-source AND got a sick job with a sweet car" but we all know they just want to huck cheap gimmick all in one computer boards for our weed vape projects

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
Raspberry Pi: Get Stoned And Do It

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016

SYSV Fanfic posted:

I'm working on an ESP32/micropython computer like that with a guy. His first keyboard was also... lacking.



I'm thinking very hard about this

TOOT BOOT
May 25, 2010

whatever happened to the yosvape

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005



[ASK] me about OS/2 Warp
its on my shelf, i just smoke bowls and fat doinks these days

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

Jonny 290 posted:

pis have always been shilled as the "i'm a poor person in the third world who was going to die in a ditch but some uni sent me a RASPBERRY PI and now i'm celebrating my 19th approved pull request for linux-kernel-source AND got a sick job with a sweet car" but we all know they just want to huck cheap gimmick all in one computer boards for our weed vape projects

idk, i think a lot of stuff in between those extremes do happen. either that or a lot of material teaching people stuff based on rpi stuff is getting written for no reason.

some of that may be projection though, as i as a kid would have been pretty thrilled to have my own computer and a guide like https://magpi.raspberrypi.org/books/essentials-sonic-pi-v1 to tinker with. it is notably of course very little about the rpi specifically, you can do all of this on any computer, but everything coming preinstalled and adapted for the hardware available is a pretty annoying hurdle removed.

qirex
Feb 15, 2001

one of the best rpi uses is as a streaming endpoint for music, you can get one in a case with a decent dac for like a hundo which is at least 3 three and a half hundos cheaper than doing the same thing with sonos or bluesound and there's single install software for roon or volumio and you get chromecast and airplay rolled in

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Jonny 290 posted:

pis have always been shilled as the "i'm a poor person in the third world who was going to die in a ditch but some uni sent me a RASPBERRY PI and now i'm celebrating my 19th approved pull request for linux-kernel-source AND got a sick job with a sweet car" but we all know they just want to huck cheap gimmick all in one computer boards for our weed vape projects

rpis and the default distro is actually chock full of legit educational software and are easy and safe to give to 6th graders and affordable enough to not be super mad when then forget that they put it in their lunch bag (??) and threw it away during recess

they fill a legit educational niche, even if it's not the common use case.

Jenny Agutter
Mar 18, 2009

if your kid is a little nerdlinger its probably better to let them futz around on a rpi than risk them trying to dual boot your household PC with Gentoo and wipe your tax records and family photos

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005

someone pm hbags dad

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

rotor posted:

rpis and the default distro is actually chock full of legit educational software and are easy and safe to give to 6th graders and affordable enough to not be super mad when then forget that they put it in their lunch bag (??) and threw it away during recess

they fill a legit educational niche, even if it's not the common use case.

That software makes the pi 100 times more approachable than a microcontroller dev board for adults. I was able to give my dad in not law a pi 3 and tell him to do the scratch tutorials. He's automated his train table with it and some basic sensors. People that want to automate their fish tanks, etc have all been able to teach themselves, as opposed to esp/arduino studio projects.


Best Bi Geek Squid posted:

I'm thinking very hard about this

If it's what's wrong - no [ or ] keys.

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016

SYSV Fanfic posted:

If it's what's wrong - no [ or ] keys.

yup that's one problem

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


rotor posted:

rpis and the default distro is actually chock full of legit educational software and are easy and safe to give to 6th graders and affordable enough to not be super mad when then forget that they put it in their lunch bag (??) and threw it away during recess

they fill a legit educational niche, even if it's not the common use case.

Much like your posting

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




Jenny Agutter posted:

if your kid is a little nerdlinger its probably better to let them futz around on a rpi than risk them trying to dual boot your household PC with Gentoo and wipe your tax records and family photos

lol if you keep important documents like tax records on a computer

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

Displeased Moo Cow posted:

lol if you keep important documents like tax records on a computer

Fine. Replace tax documents with the amatuer fetish porn you've made with their mother.

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome
the poo poo comes installed with minecraft ffs

Moo Cowabunga
Jun 15, 2009

[Office Worker.




SYSV Fanfic posted:

Fine. Replace tax documents with the amatuer fetish porn you've made with their mother.

oh no not those

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016

SYSV Fanfic posted:

Fine. Replace tax documents with the amatuer fetish porn you've made with their mother.

rotor posted:

the poo poo comes installed with minecraft ffs

brb installing Minecraft

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

only a lame demo of it. vanilla minecraft is surprisingly hard to install

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-
i have a little rpi stuck underneath my desk running pihole and every now and then i remember it exists and check the dash and go wow that's a lot of ads it blocked. i also used a bunch to set up some remote underwater cameras on battery power and they worked great except for a weird thing where they'd reset unexpectedly that we eventually figured out was because the water was carrying a small amount of current (lol) and it was loving with the pis somehow

the rpi400 seems kinda cool as an ssh box for debugging robots but then i need a screen too and at that point it seems like i might as well just use a laptop

SYSV Fanfic
Sep 9, 2003

by Pragmatica

big scary monsters posted:

i have a little rpi stuck underneath my desk running pihole and every now and then i remember it exists and check the dash and go wow that's a lot of ads it blocked. i also used a bunch to set up some remote underwater cameras on battery power and they worked great except for a weird thing where they'd reset unexpectedly that we eventually figured out was because the water was carrying a small amount of current (lol) and it was loving with the pis somehow

the rpi400 seems kinda cool as an ssh box for debugging robots but then i need a screen too and at that point it seems like i might as well just use a laptop

I think the Pi foundation knows pi 400 sales were driven by nostalgia.

Zam Wesell
Mar 22, 2009

[Zam is suddenly shot in the neck by a toxic dart; Anakin and Obi-Wan see a "rocket-man" take off and fly away, and Zam dies]
i wonder if i could make an album on one of these

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rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

big scary monsters posted:


the rpi400 seems kinda cool as an ssh box for debugging robots but then i need a screen too and at that point it seems like i might as well just use a laptop

its surprising how difficult it is to find a decent HMD that takes HDMI input

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