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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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pentyne posted:

The casting for those movies was pretty great in general. I would even say the 2005/7 movies weren't failures but the 2015 was.

Micheal B. Jordan? Kate Mara? Jamie Bell?

Of all the problems with FANT4STIC the cast were not one of them.

Eh, I think Teller was pretty wildly miscast in Fant4stic, as was Kebbell (though he wasn't nearly as awful a Doom as Julian McMahon was).

Terror Sweat posted:

drat Disney, you cheap fucks. Give the man a producers credit and throw him some bucks, he's the guy who created your best Captain America story and the basis of your tv show

This is nothing new for Disney, given how openly they're loving over Alan Dean Foster and other Star Wars authors.

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Lid posted:

the world in which Tom Hiddleston was cast as Thor is a hilarious one, also pre-Sons of Anarchy Charlie Hunnam

Charlie Hunnam is so completely and utterly devoid of charisma, the idea of him as Thor is kind of breaking my brain. I legitimately cannot imagine him delivering some of the dialogue from the first Thor, like when he walks into the pet store demanding a horse. I honestly cannot conceptualize it in my head.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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stev posted:

It's interesting that Wandavision was going to come after Black Widow, Shang-Chi, Eternals and FatWS before covid hosed the world. I wonder what (if anything) was different in the original draft. Knowing the MCU there must have been some reveals and callbacks that had to be reworked.

I think WandaVision got an extra episode and some rewrites because of COVID-related delays, I'm pretty sure I read an interview to that effect.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Lammasu posted:

"All Marvel movies are the same" infuriates me. Winter Soldier and Ragnarök are two wildly different films. Do these people go, "A protagonist overcoming challenges? This again? "

I don't think they're all the same, per se, but they do follow a formula, and they do have an unfortunate tendency to devote a decent chunk of their runtime to saying, "By the way, don't forget to check out the next Marvel Studios film, coming to a theater near you in six months!" And they absolutely do have a "house style" that is pretty hard to ignore, and directors have said that when you're working with Marvel Studios, you're working in their machine and that's just part of the cost of doing business. But then again, this is why I just largely ignore the Marvel Studios movies. I like Iron Man 1 and 3, I like The Incredible Hulk, I generally like Winter Soldier (although I have issues with it and The First Avenger, most notably in that Cap's reasons for loyalty to Bucky are far more told than shown; prior to Bucky falling off the train in First Avenger we don't see a ton of them being bosom buddies) and the first Guardians, I thought Ragnarok was mostly okay and the two Ant-Man movies are perfectly inoffensive background noise. Otherwise, though, I just ignore the Marvel movies unless they happen to be on TV or something or someone has rented one; they really just don't do anything for me, though Iron Man 3 is an annual watch.

Other people love them, and, hey, that's perfectly fine, no skin off my nose. :)

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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twistedmentat posted:

I do like that the MCU has not had any "hero loses their powers" stories

Eh, Iron Man 3 kind of comes close, and there's the entire fish-out-of-water arc that makes up what feels like at least half of the first Thor.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

Incredible Hulk is decent and gets an unfair rap imo. Also, Norton didn’t reprise the role because he wanted script control over The Avengers and any future Hulk movies, which they balked at.

I don't think Norton wanted script control over any future Hulk projects--those were always in question because Paramount has the rights to solo Hulk movies--but he was a massive pill on-set, he insisted on rewriting much of The Incredible Hulk, and he attempted to lock Louis Leterrier out of the editing room (much as he did to Tony Kaye on American History X, although he wasn't able to force Kaye out to that extent). And, in fairness, his Hulk rewrites led to a much better movie.

The reason Norton was dropped was because he wasn't easy to control, and Ike Perlmutter wanted his Marvel stars to be cheap, to show up to work, read their lines as written and do the publicity stuff they were required to do. Norton didn't check any of those boxes, so he was fired and replaced with Mark Ruffalo. And Ruffalo's fine, if unremarkable, as the Hulk, I just really liked Norton's take more.

And, yes, The Incredible Hulk gets a really unfairly bad rap, and I'm glad that they brought William Hurt back as General Ross in later movies; I say that as someone who doesn't even really like William Hurt in general. As a whole, the movie is unfairly maligned, and I don't understand the complaint about the ending being "two CGI monsters fighting each other." Like, okay, what sci-fi movie doesn't have some CGI stuff fighting other CGI stuff? In any event, it's one of the few Marvel Studios movies I generally like because you can tell it's made with a lot of love, and it doesn't have the assembly-line feel of a lot of later-era Marvel movies.

Geo Fixer posted:

Honestly what was Norton thinking? that marvel would just bow to his demands because he was technically the best known actor the mcu had back in 2008?

Norton's always had an over-inflated view of himself. But, to be fair (to be fairrrrrrrr), the first Iron Man was a complete moonshot for Marvel, and the company would have gone bankrupt if the movie had bombed. Norton was pretty much slumming it when he made Incredible Hulk for peanuts back in 2007.

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

They also dramatically cut down on her face makeup and practical effects as time went on.



Dark Phoenix was exceptionally terrible for myriad reasons, but that photo of Mystique is a perfect encapsulation of how no one gave a single flying gently caress at that point, and the end result was just :effort:.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Barry Convex posted:

iirc, Lawrence was only originally contracted to appear in three films.

She and Fassbender were both signed to three-picture deals just before they exploded in popularity, yes, so they got paid peanuts, and Lawrence insisted that her makeup be reduced in complexity as a condition to not hold out on Days of Future Past and Apocalypse.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Barry Convex posted:

well, you can see from the pics that the makeup in DOFP and Apocalypse was basically the same as in First Class, though I think a larger percentage of her scenes in DoFP and Apocalypse had her in human form, so maybe that kinda balanced out. it was only in Dark Phoenix where the makeup was greatly simplified

She was wearing a leotard in both Future Past and Apocalypse. It reduced her makeup time from about six to seven hours on First Class to a little under two hours on Future Past.

live with fruit posted:

It's best to think of it as the Wolverine series. If he's not in it, don't watch it. Except Apocalypse. Don't watch Apocalypse.

This is truth. It was on FX the last time I was in the hospital, when I was getting 2mg of dilaudid every two hours via IV, and even that amount of pain medicine couldn't make that piece of poo poo movie tolerable. Casting Oscar Isaac and then making him up to look like Ivan Ooze is one of many sins for which Bryan Singer can never be forgiven.

Hell, Paul Freeman as Ivan Ooze would have been more entertaining than the version of Apocalypse we got in that movie.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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mind the walrus posted:

I'm not that shocked. The first Avengers was/is one of the highest grossing movies ever, and Age of Ultron looks hideously expensive, especially because they all took the critiques that Whedon can't block for poo poo (he can't) to heart and invested in visual specialists.

Yeah, Whedon essentially had a blank check to do whatever he wanted with Age of Ultron after The Avengers made more money than God.

Then he wrote a script for Ultron that was like four and a half hours long, shot the entire loving thing, and then got pissed off at Disney when they told him he had to cut it down to a manageable runtime, ultimately quitting working with Marvel Studios because he was angry at them for making him edit his masterpiece down to two and a half hours and the movie being generally disliked by audiences and critics.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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MH Knights posted:

Wasn't this costume and absolute nightmare to work with/in as well? It was supposedly extremely tight fitting to the point Munn had to keep a strict diet and use grease to actually get in it? But even then it would rip apart if she moved in the wrong way which did result in a couple of embarrassing "wardrobe malfunctions" on set?

They had to coat almost all of Munn's body in lube to get the costume to fit, and the very first time she tried it on, her crotch popped out through the latex, revealing the way she groomed her genitals to the costume crew. I can't even begin to imagine how humiliating that was.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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In news that should surprise no one, Disney has "no plans" to release any of its Marvel Disney+ shows on Blu-ray or DVD.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Maybe I'm an outlier, but I haven't owned a PC with a CD/DVD drive for over 6 years and haven't bought physical media or software for even longer.

They obviously want to give people a reason to subscribe, even if they just want to watch a few shows, just like every other streaming service, but physical media seems like it is 90% for "collectors" or grandmas now.

I just prefer to get physical media because every service doesn't seem to hang onto anything for more than a month or two. Netflix is especially terrible about this; their library of licensed content is quite literally one-quarter of what it was in 2014-15. (They had about 16,000 licensed titles then. They're at around 4,000 now.)

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

I thought Freeform passed on it before that happened?

Correct.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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AndyElusive posted:

I kind of love that the big trailer leak for No Way Home forced the hand of Disney to just release the trailer already.

Unless it was planned to be released today and I just missed the news about it?

The teaser had clearly been cut. Some dickwad from a VFX company decided he wanted to beat Sony to it.

(No Way Home is not a Disney movie.)

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Ror posted:

I honestly never knew so many people gave a poo poo about Mephisto until this year when people wouldn't stop bringing him up.

I wish there was online betting on which characters will be mentioned/appear in upcoming movies. I just want to see the odds. Then I can know when the time is right to start pushing Mister Sinister theories nonstop.

This year? Oh, you sweet, summer child.

Back when Sigourney Weaver was announced as the villain of The Defenders, a great big chunk of the Internet decided she was playing a gender-bent Mephisto.

The Defenders was released four years ago.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Strom Cuzewon posted:

Did people actually believe it? I saw it floated as just a "hey, wouldnt it be cool if Sigourney Weaver is Mephisto?" and everyone latched onto it because it would have been awesome as hell. And also her actual character was boring and terrible .

Everything about The Defenders--outside of everyone regularly dunking on Danny Rand--was boring and terrible.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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tsob posted:

I haven't read The Ultimates since it came out, but I did like the first volume at the time. I can't even remember too much now, but I do recall enjoying Tony and Thor at the very least; Thor especially, where the entire first volume it's kept ambiguous whether he's actually a "God" or just some nutjob with superpowers who claims to be one. I liked him being politically opposed to a lot of the other characters too. Tony I just remember liking for pages like the one where someone is shocked that he would get drunk before putting on the suit, before he replies that it takes 2 hours to put on the Iron Man suit and that he could die at at any time when he does use it since it means he's in a combat situation, so why would he not get drunk? I'm pretty sure there was more with him being established to have only a few years to live, funding the Ultimates in order to leave a legacy etc. too, but I'm not even sure about that so I don't want to definitively attribute it as something I liked.

I also just liked the art, the action and the general presentation of it. Cap jumping out of a plane without a parachute was cool, and I remember being really impressed with the gatefold single panel of action in the last issue of the first volume that's half a dozen pages in size or something. It gave a very cinematic vibe to the whole thing. Which is why it's not terribly surprising that the MCU takes so many cues from it; including the aforementioned "Cap jumps out of a plane without a parachute" moment, if I recall. I don't even know if I read any of the rest of it, but I know Jeph Loeb pretty much ran the entire Ultimates line into the ground over the next few years, and maybe I'd find it more boring, annoying and/or offensive if I read it now, but I have fond memories of some of it at the least.

It was Ultimates 3 that really went full pants-on-head stupid.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Doctor Spaceman posted:

Loeb's got a lot of critically and popularly acclaimed stuff. SA is more down on him than most places (and I agree with that assessment) but lots of people will put The Long Halloween as one of their favourite Bat-stories.

The thing with Loeb is that he fundamentally has one story to tell: Some sort of mystery winds up involving nearly every ally and every member of a character's rogues' gallery (often for very tenuous reasons), there will be some very non-sensical misdirection and then it suddenly gets wrapped up out of nowhere.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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live with fruit posted:

Was Ulliel's role affected by his death? His character seemed very undercooked for such a prominent actor.

Unlikely. Filming ended around November of last year, I think, and Ulliel passed away in late January.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Parkingtigers posted:

https://thedirect.com/article/marvel-studios-abc-mcu-show

Ms Marvel is going to be the first D+ show to be aired on another TV platform. Seems... a good idea?

They did air the first episode of The Mandalorian on ABC.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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C'mon, y'all, Skrhodey is right there.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Jedit posted:

I'd be interested to know how they know this movie that hasn't been made yet is a woke disaster. (It's code for "it has a black lead", isn't it?)

It's also that much-repeated report from Variety that one of the recent script drafts relegated Blade to the fourth lead in the story, basically placing him in the background, and two female leads would have taken the spotlight.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Narcissus1916 posted:

Yeah, I had no idea that they apparently filmed HALF of Daredevil's planned season before junking it and starting over. Which begs the question... how bad were they?

As I recall, the prevailing rumor from leaks was that Murdock didn't even suit up until the fifth or sixth episode.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Gynovore posted:

I watched the Assembled feature on the making of Ms. Marvel, there were face masks all over the place. Some people even wore a full-face plastic shield.

This, uh, may surprise you, but COVID isn't over and a lot of people are still--very justifiably--concerned about transmission.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Optimus_Rhyme posted:

Maybe they should just do a hard cut to the xmen universe and cut their losses l.

I mean, this is basically what Deadpool & Wolverine is doing, and they already had Kelsey Grammer Beast in The Marvels.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Lammasu posted:

Has Mojo and Arcade ever teamed up? It seems like something that would have happened.

Only in a very weird, very roundabout way in the Ultimate X-Men comics like twenty years ago.

And I guess Mojo made a robot called Funhouse that was basically Arcade with a different name in the X-Babies comic like 30 years ago.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Soonmot posted:

https://ew.com/x-men-97-beau-demayo-firing-marvel-animation-responds-8609643

This doesn't sound like the kind of non answer you would get if he was a sexpest. idk, show is real good and this statement makes it sound like much of that was because of Beau

That response is HR speak for "there were problems, and we offered him the chance to resign or be fired, he chose to resign and we called it a mutual parting."

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Invalid Validation posted:

I know they need to move on from Jackman but he’s so fuckin good.

Even Jackman very badly wanted to be done after Logan because he's almost 56 and his body can't take the training (read: steroids and insane amounts of dehydration to look so jacked) regimen anymore. He quite literally only agreed to do Deadpool & Wolverine because he and Reynolds are longtime friends and he liked the story pitch.

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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live with fruit posted:

This is probably just confirmation bias but I swear Ross sounded like Hurt and Cable like Brolin.

Hurt was long-retired (prostate cancer) by the time they started recording the show.

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Timby
Dec 23, 2006

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Sockser posted:

Hey hey hey, let's not forget that Kraven comes out in a few months

Didn't Kraven get booted to, like, December?

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