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The fact that FaWS portrayed almost every character as victims of the status quo in a sense (as well as their endorsement of the flagsmashers' motivations and ideals) left me feeling a little dissapointed that a stern talking to from Sam was the extent of corrective action (aside from the attempted kidnapping of course). I'd have preferred to see the main GRC guy face some sort of actual consequence beyond his brief moments of fearful helplessness, considering how many "regular" people have died while he stays a powerful influential decision maker (who seems downright irritated that he should be expected to consider the needs of the people he's forcefully relocating). That being said, the fact that the "powers that be" are ultimately left safe and intact (even as the various folks neglected by those systems kill each other) is pretty powerful and accurate too. Also, as much as I wanted more from Sam than saving some cops and politicians and giving a speech, I did like his speech. Especially the inevitability of more unrest and violence directed at them (the GRC) if they didnt correct course. Often people I speak with regarding real socioeconomics think I am advocating a violent purge of the wealthiest and most powerful, whereas I simply point to it as an inevitability (in popular sentiment if not action). Desperate marginalized people will do whatever they have to do to survive, and no amount of condemnation will temper the danger of people experiencing desperation and hunger. *edit* Imagine one of the characters faced with say, saving either the GRC head or some rando kid, and letting that dude eat it while giving him a "somebody's gotta make the tough decisions" line as a mirror of power leaving people behind. BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 15:39 on May 7, 2021 |
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More romantic intimacy might be what you want, but I dont see how the lack of it is anything but a completely subjective critique. Are you suggesting that it is hard to find that sort of thing in media (I would disagree), or that the MCU has some sort of particular responsibility to portray it? I have no love for Disney, and as much as I do enjoy these films and shows I dont want to rush to fanboy defensiveness. It's just more often than not I find romantic (and especially sexual) content either doesn't add anything special, or worse is sort of cynically "going blue" for lack of more interesting content. I know my statement is just as subjective, I just prefer to get my fix of human sexuality from the source (or straight up porn).
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May 9, 2021 03:33
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ANOTHER SCORCHER posted:I am contending that the “em-see-you” and Disney deliberately occlude and villainize romance and intimacy in an attempt to create a posthuman (subhuman) species of passive consumers to fund eternal war on the border, in the ghetto, and among the developing world. Thanks for responding. These are the only movies I've seen in theaters in many many years, and I'm sure I've watched all of them at least three times. So either I've already indeed been "transformed" by these movies about comic book characters.... OR what you said is as insane as it seems.
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Doctor Nutt posted:"The MCU is pretty chaste and could stand to be a little more sexy, here's some thoughts on why" I don't know, it could also read as "I think unnecessary romantic or sexual content is a cheap distraction in the media I consume" "THEIR INSIDIOUS PROGRAMMING HAS ALREADY SUBVERTED YOUR HUMANITY!!!!!"
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May 9, 2021 18:34
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Skipping episodes of a show that weaves them all together seems like texting/being absent through a good chunk of a movie, or skipping chapters of a book. Enjoy your entertainment however you please, but to me it's like you didn't really watch it.
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So the reason for the importance of the watch is never revealed beyond linking it to a list of Hawkeyes family? Also, (SMNWH) why does redeeming the villians save them, if they were dead in their realities what does their post mortem change of heart accomplish? Also I'm a big Steve Rogers stan, and musicals make me physically ill. The after credits sequence is now the only MCU content I haven't watched. Just horrifying.
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gey muckle mowser posted:(no way home spoiler) they weren't dead quite yet, they were sucked out of their realities right before dying and having the change of heart is supposedly enough to stop them from doing whatever it was that killed them when they get back. e.g. Doc Ock being free of the influence of the arms means he lets go or whatever and doesn't get sucked into the river I suppose it's not really something I should scrutinize... magic + comic book rules explains anything. Yvonmukluk posted:They revealed at the end it was Laura's from her SHIELD days, and specifically that she was Agent 19, who in the comics was Mockingbird. I guess I didn't understand why they sought it specifically, it's connection to Ronin is only kind of vaguely implied to begin with. Immensely enjoyed both the show and the movie regardless of ambiguity!* AndyElusive posted:What the gently caress is wrong with you? *except the musical. I hate hate musicals. I not only don't enjoy them, I loathe them.
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The time/chronology of the releases wrt time fuckery doesn't translate to the timelines, because we/ most of the characters have time inflicted upon us whereas the tva and whatever else they decide exists independantly/ outside of time, an eye cannot look at itself etc etc Not sure how mirrors play into that.
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Feb 19, 2022 01:24
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Not sure what's funnier: the crew of folks who hate all these shows and movies, but spend their time watching them AND posting about how bad they are, or the people who couldn't enjoy the visually engrossing and thematically appropriate star rewind because these beleaguered characters (whose flaws and dysfunction are critical to the story) didn't come to the same course of action that you the viewer did.... in a magical world of gods and mummies and aliens no less. What is wrong with my brain that I enjoy this? (The show or this discussion)
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With the MCUs ability and willingness to diverge from the comic, thematically in the show it makes sense for Jake to be a (recent?) reaction to the stress of the events we've seen. Marc "creates" steve out of guilt and a desire for a peaceful life, and when they are both pushed to the limit by their circumstances and the strife between them (him), a new aspect is born of pure primal savage survival.pik_d posted:Or Jake is the id, Marc the ego, and Steven the super-ego so they're all him, just different parts. Still feel like Marc is the main one either way.
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Everyone posted:Where do you draw the distinction between personality and person? Steven apparently has a remembered history that has shaped him in the way that he processes and reacts to the world at large. Even if Steven was created by Marc, you were created by your parents. Does that make you a lesser entity than them? I'm curious how they'll handle this, I haven't noticed/remembered steven discussing the past at all beyond mum postcards, marc at least remembers adventuring with layla.
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Just know Elon is an absolute fraud and irredeemably terrible, and don't burden yourself with the specifics. When somebody says "wow that Elon musk fellow must be smarter than me" they are right, as they've bodily grasped the bar of human intelligence and begun furiously tunneling to the core of the earth. Look for musk to announce my post verbatim at an expo soon, as his totally brilliant light preserving big brain solution to whatever. With my name edited out of course. Stocks will surge. BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 02:09 on May 3, 2022 |
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StrugglingHoneybun posted:
Cap wielding mjolnir was so awesome for me that it would be embarrassing to explain it any further, but I don't really get the connection (nor the thrust of the post you quoted). I just remember Wanda's chaos magic overpowering Cpt Marvel's in a DBZ beam battle, and then she drops a statue on her which.... shouldn't really have been able to kill a hero who punches through nukes and spaceships, and survives getting punched into the atmosphere by Thanos. Can somebody clear up what I'm missing?
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It was immediately obvious to me at the end of WV that things were likely to go this way, I even said "oh drat that's not good" at the end. To be fair my gf who is not a comics nerd was all "waddya mean", so not everybody automatically reached that conclusion. I just told her it's basically the loving marvel necronomicon and she was immediately on the same "oh poo poo that's bad" take. twistedmentat posted:I find it hard to believe that people can't think that Wanda had the Darkhold constantly bombard her with images of her kids, telling them out there they are in trouble, that she needs to go out there, and this one other kid has the power to do it, so go out and take her power. The movie shows us multiple times that the Darkhold corrupts people by giving them what they want but causing them to dark and darker path to persue it. Illuminati Strange saw where it was taking him so he had the rest of them kill him before he did something terrible, Dark Strange on the other hand was more than happy to embrace that path. Wanda had been pushed further and further along that path the entire time between WandaVision and MoM. They must have felt the audiance was smart enough to watch the movie and listen to the dialog to figure out what happens. If Wanda had not gotten her hands on the Darkhold she would have never tried to kill America Chavez or anything because the book would have never tempted her and shown her a path. Its stated clearly in the dialog in the film by Wong when the arrive at Wundagore that the Darkhold is a conduit to Cthon, and its entire existance was to get into Wanda's hand so she could become the Scarlet Witch. Yeah!
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I've tried to keep up with this thread, sorry if this was discussed and I missed it... "Good isn't something you are, it's something you do." 10/10 loving awesome. I could write paragraphs on my personal uneducated theories about how that is a message many people need to think on (not that I believe in objective good/evil). Also this show is kicking rear end, and I absolutely hate special teenager "how will they pass their math test, not embarass themselves around their crush, AND save the world?!?!?" bullshit, and they've threaded it amazingly.
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I probably have a somewhat narrow immersion in this because I have no idea who ironheart or werewolf by night are, nevermind Megan stallion (in fact I don't even know why we're talking about a pop? musician). I'll keep watching (and enjoying) these shows as long as I have access to this disney+ account either way. She-hulk is killing it and I fear every one of her suitors to secretly be trying to extract her blood. Also I want more adam warlock and captain America, and wasn't secret wars in the comic like... on battle world and loaded with heavy hitters? Remembering some awesome captain America / DOOM moments. Weird they chose that name for something that sounds totally different.
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Super Deuce posted:Good idea. I'll just google every name said in every TV show I watch to find out whether or not it's a real person or a character. That's a good idea. How are you not getting the point? It's not an affront for people to not know who you know. Pop culture isn't important knowledge and I personally even believe you could justify a sort of pride in that. However I bet anybody willing to understand has already been convinced. It's a derail that ends with trolling and dogpiling. Not So Fast posted:Looks like Contessa Valentina Allegra de la Fontaine, or just Val is fine. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Elaine from Seinfeld. False alarm it just came out, it's actually a mannequin at a clothing store downtown. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwYmZXVosVA BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Sep 10, 2022 |
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Has it actually been revealed who is backing Elaine? Did they give any additional info if not? Oh mb nm fisk?
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Jaxyon posted:As for the MTS stuff: LOL at people who are like "she's not that famous" my dude she's the most famous person on the show. That's wong. *Elmer Fudd laugh*
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Everyone posted:Who the gently caress cares? Do we really need to count up "Fame Points" to settle this? Is Megan Thee Stallion famous enough that it would be unrealistic (to say the least) that she'd be dating that twit from Jen's old job? Yes? Then let's move the gently caress on. I'll never move on from your lack of appreciation for Wong, looney tunes, or humor. You have burdened me terribly and I hope one day you come to accept what you've done.
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kazil posted:Why couldn't disney just pander to the 3 dozen people on these dead gay forums and gone with Rocky Balboa Thee Italian Stallion??? How about somebody more relevant like (dude you're getting) adell? Relevant to Wong of course.
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OH, SAY... Can you see?!? LIBERTY'S BELL!!! I say this at least once a week.
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Love the venture bro vibes in this show, the whole heroes and vlllians behind the scenes bullshit. especially this last episode. I was bothered by somebody Jens age being so glued to her phone after hooking up, but then they addressed that in the episode.
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I think the show validated and skillfully addressed my concerns about Jen's unhealthy attachment to how somebody (she really doesn't know) feels about her. I was uncomfortable with how absolutely ridiculous/pathetic the phone thing eventually got, but then that's probably because it is relatable, and plus the show works well with ridiculous.
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Bleck posted:You know what I'm uncomfortable with? Transphobia I first read this as some out of place personal accusation unrelated to she-hulk and was tempted to report and ignore for thread health, after all there's no Trans characters in this show right?* But then I hate reporting, and stay pretty lit when I watch TV, so maybe I'm missing something. *I could imagine the themes of the show being representative of a trans experience, how you look/how people see you, how you want people to see you/how people want you to look. Anyway our in-world support group seemed to agree with me and it culminated in Jen healing/growing. Sure, she didn't really know them either, but the support group seems focused on honesty, vulnerability, and growth. Not words I would typically associate with a couple first dates, at least not in a healthy way. Leaning as hard as it did into jen being trapped in her phone is relatable in the same way staying up all night getting high and playing vidyagames on a work night is relatable: you learn not to let yourself do silly poo poo like that.
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GokuGoesSSj69 posted:With secret invasion coming up there's plenty of fuckery that could happen that could set Bruce off. With secret invasion coming up I sure don't trust anybody that "comes back from space" nevermind "OH and here's this new guy he's cool" what's next steve Rogers comes back with sleepy Gary and reverse giraffe?
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I know nothing about black adam and the MCU has a monopoly on my superhero media consumption, but the trailer looked good. Then I forgot and totally missed the release of the film, sounds like it was dissapointing? I'm guessing if batman and justice league are the extent of my DC knowledge it'd be wasted on me. Well, I guess I also read some Constantine. I actually got excited/confused by what I briefly thought was swamp thing in WWbN, thinking we might see some Constantine. Wrong brand fool!
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Tonally very inconsistent as they could not decide if he should be a stoic haunted reluctant hero or a psycho who makes quips while killing people. Has a plot about uprising against colonisers but with very muddy politics which refuse to point out it is America that's bad, which unfortunately is led by a pretty annoying kid character who teaches the people to idolise Adam because he looks like superman. Features a superhero team doing what seems like suicide squad but less edge, where I think the only likeable characters are pierce brosnan and quintessa swindell Oof. Well thanks for saving me from that. Constantine is rad and I really dig the whole "caught between heaven and hell" thing. Neither power is sincerely interested in humanity beyond manipulation and domination, cool "no objective good/evil" vibes. Plus whatever his actual "powers" are, he mainly seems to be a clever cheeky drunk burnout who primarily achieves his goals through manipulating powerful people or entities. I'm pretty sure one comic sees him get a demon blood transfusion, and then sleep with a woman who is the reluctant ordained mother of some kind of golden child that would tip the scales in heaven's favor. The sex was consensual but his tainted demon juice defiled her as a heavenly womb or whatever. Think about it, bro. What other weapon does he have?
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Dave Syndrome posted:I love that characterization of the trickster Constantine - the one who gets out of having lung cancer by selling his soul to three devils simultaneously and walks away cured (only to find out later that his hospital buddy died in horrible pain at the same time). While I do like that he's become a staple in some of the recent animated shows and movies, I don't much like the version of him that they use - the one that draws glowing sigils in the air while yelling weaponized Latin at demons like a third-rate Doctor Strange. That sounds lame as hell (the latter) glad I haven't been exposed to that version. Yeah I got the impression he gets everybody he knows (inadvertently) killed. If I remember correctly, one I read had him pursued by like a half dozen ghosts of friends (unsure if they were real or imagined), he's just sitting in a train car with his head in his hands while they give him a dress down for running from his problems.... so he jumps from the train and awakes in the hospital. In another moment of wallowing in depression he is fleeing some kind of apparition that keeps taking form in pursuit of him. It finally catches up and... it's him, telling himself to wake the gently caress up and get with it, an instant before he was about to let himself get obliterated. Course I think other people could see it too, so it might have been swamp thing (it was a collection I believe so there were some holes in the plot). Sorry for the DCrail.
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Dongicus posted:shows all bad. not a single good one. not even the one you like to point to as "being the good one" Obv everything is bad and we just pick the least bad things here, in fact you know you're really showing your rear end here old chum Ole bean you wotsit you.
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It's really simple, the TVA's work and collapse happened outside of time, so eternally into the past and present. Everything that can or will happen is happening everywhere in both directions. Oh wait poo poo that's not simple at all. A chronowizard did it.
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I thought thor 4 and MoM were both a lot of fun. Still laugh at the little kid wielding devastating elementals beams via their goddamn velveteen rabbit.
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stev posted:So pull the dirty centrist trick of presenting an entirely correct antagonist with goals that we should support, and have them kill a puppy on-screen to make sure you don't end up buying into them for what, the eighth time? This has made me wonder sometimes about the specific dynamics involved in making a product like that. "We have an ideology formed of these not-just-relatable but legitimate grievances, and a character driven or passionate enough to carry them out consequences be damned." "So why are we rooting for the people out to stop them (consequences be damned)?" How many people involved in the creative process enough to make these compelling "villians" actually condemn their crusades? Was the falcon and winter soldier intentionally showing us what happens to young people who take matters into their own hands to help the downtrodden? That's the only way I can reckon with that show positively.
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I think I remember negative sentiments towards the MCU from Idras Elba as well, so as far as I'm concerned mcu Valhalla is just "good end" for the characters played by actors who wanna be done... and I'm OK with that. If steve rogers wants to come back for some kind of brief epic moment though I won't complain, but they broke their own rules to give him that ending so I kinda doubt it.
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LividLiquid posted:I don't know anything about comics Thor and even I'm disappointed at how the Warriors Three got done dirty. Yeah. Honestly not the biggest fan of the lost vikings myself but it seemed personal the way they offed them without ceremony. Well except for hogun, but poor valstad and fandral got treated like faceless henchmen, guess they were OK using them to build a sense of dread regarding Hela. Wish they'd been given a bit more reverence. Still I much prefer taika's thor movies to the first two in every way othor than seeing Anthony Hopkins as Odin. Seeing him dress down thor was great and very reminiscent of the comics (especially considering thor's warrior madness during infinity crusade as a result of Odins various mindfuck punishments).
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Yeah when I realized they weren't treating MODOK with proper reverence I stormed right out of the theater. Blasphemous. I liked when Pym appears with his ant army. I leaned over to my gf and said "He's pissed that so many people in the quantum realm hosed his wife and he's had enough of their poo poo!"
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TGG posted:The man is truly mentally ill and I can only feel for those women he has tortured and abused. I hope he gets help and improves but if Don Cheadle ends up being "that' nuts I will just give up on humanity. Don't worry I'm sure we'll pull up in time.
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TF&WS introducing a bunch of idealist young people who take things into their own hands and put themselves at risk to help the marginalized, and then killing them all off was rough. I spin it at "the most likely scenario" and hope/pretend that's the message they were trying to get across. Sam giving an impassioned speech was very captain America, but so not nearly enough that it simply challenged my captain America fandom.
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Adam warlock, loaded with DMT and LSD, follows his kismet trail in between order and chaos straight into fate's chimney. Suddenly all Kangs burst and "hatch" a magus who establishes the Church of Intergalactic Truth. Adam warlock sees it, making him scrunch his face up and exclaim "BWAAAAAAHHHHH?!?!?!?" Too bad the fun infinity war doppelganger stuff is too similar to skull secret invasion stuff.
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