Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

file this one away as a really good "billionaires are super dumb" example

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Nodoze posted:

It sounds like Watson doesn't want a white coach lmao

i mean, would you

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

I don't have anything in particular against the Texans, but I'm enjoying this process just out of trainwreck curiosity

"how bad can internal politics gently caress up a team? let's find out!"

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

i feel like we're frontloading too much drama early in the offseason

by the time watson actually gets moved months from now (which will presumably be the denouement of said drama) everyone will have gone insane and eaten their own brains

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I understand that a lot of pro athletes are very religious. But how the gently caress does this appeal to them?

i'm very certain all the pats players who gushed about Easterby did so because they knew the brass liked him

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

when it comes to the watson situation i don't know how much i blame it on easterby and how much i blame it on a sort of intrinsic cultural divide between the people who own sports teams and the people who play on sports teams

i don't want to say millionaire athletes are more *normal* than billionaire financiers, since to reach the position of pro athlete you have to be a crazed obsessive by any normal person's standards

but if you're an athlete you probably didn't grow up that rich (barring the rare born-with-a-silver spoon character like brady or a manning), probably grew up with something approximating normal relationships, still experience a degree of precarity since your career is short and the golden parachute doesn't work for you in quite the same way it does for finance guys, etc

watson's issues with the organization are totally understandable from a regular person's perspective (doesn't like Cal, feels disrespected by Cal, doesn't have confidence in the organization since Cal is so attached to easterby), but Cal probably can't compute them since those aren't things your brain understands if you grew up amid billionaire wealth.

PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Feb 18, 2021

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Declan MacManus posted:

otoh, if there’s one thing rich and powerful people understand, it’s respect.

maybe not cal mcnair specifically

i don't know about that
or rather i don't know that they understand it in the same sense that a player would

they understand hierarchy, they spend their whole lives either schmoozing to bigger rich guys or expecting smaller rich guys to schmooze to them

but like..."I respect this person's abilities and appreciate the opportunity to collaborate with them" type respect, no

you have that with teammates and family and coworkers, which billionaires don't have

basically what I'm getting at is billionaires are all solipsistic sociopaths who believe they're the only person who exists , they might understand social inputs and outputs in the way you'd understand pushing a button, but they don't understand relationships beyond that. They're like squids.

when watson says "cal, i don't like you, i refuse to work for you any more" i think cal doesn't get it because the only "work" a billionaire ever does is cutting deals with people they don't care about in order to gain advantage over other people they don't care about. Not one of them would ever think of refusing to do something on principle or out of personal disdain.

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

El Gallinero Gros posted:

I don't doubt that DeShaun dislikes Cal but my impression as a casual outsider was that it's more about how poorly Houston has managed it's assets (and rightly, he doesn't want to waste his physical prime on an awful team) is that not correct?

I'd buy that if watson had signed his big extension before the hopkins trade

But he signed it afterwards, and after o'brien's other famously bad moves

Gotta be something there beyond concern over the roster

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Eifert Posting posted:

Pat McAfee was wearing a pro Easterby shirt on his show the other day. I have no idea whether or not it was supposed to be ironic

easterby is really good for talk radio, think of how much more boring this offseason would be without him

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Pershing posted:

I wonder if this doesn't diminish his trade value but just changes what teams would trade for him.

steelers dialing in

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

tarbrush posted:

As someone said earlier, Weinstein et al generally had reputations, however tacit and squashed. How did he keep this quiet

Well, I hate to say it but this sort of thing probably happens to massage therapists pretty often (especially if they do house calls) and law enforcement probably blows it off most of the time due to stereotypes about the profession

(Also due to cops being shitheads and like half of them being rapists themselves)

It makes sense nobody heard a peep out of the women until they became aware there were a bunch of them who could come forward at once

The contract standoff may also have lessened fears of retaliation if it seemed like watson would no longer enjoy the same amount of protection from powerful houston institutions

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Chromatic posted:

I too watched that scene from He Got Game when Big State had those porn stars sleep with Denzel Washington's kid so he'd play there

The only unusual thing about the Pitino prostitute scandal at Louisville is that Louisville used professional sex workers for this purpose rather than just peer-pressured sorority girls like most major sports colleges

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

an evangelical huckster going full Rasputin

Wait do the mcnairs have a child with an obscure chronic disease only rich people get

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Despera posted:

"HANDJOBS" says robert craft

i mean, nobody's accused kraft of getting his gently caress massages anything other than consensually, right?

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

The lawyer is doing these women no favors. There are law firms who represented multiple high profile Me Too accusers that would undoubtedly be doing a better job.

Maybe Ronan Farrow is making some calls.

i mean, i expect masseuses (nor most people) don't really follow law hierarchy

wouldn't be surprised if the first woman just searched "HOUSTON BEST LAWYER" and buzzbee came up due to that award he won

then once he was handling the first couple plaintiffs he'd end up with all of em since he was the once looking for them and building a case file

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

It's hosed up hernandez had to take the rap for all those people tebow killed

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

GD_American posted:

Is Buzbee still the only attorney for any of the plaintiffs?

i think it is considered bad practice to open a competing/redundant case to suits that have already been brought for the same thing

like if you were one of the women and tried hiring some different lawyer, that lawyer would probably just tell you to join the existing case since buzzbee has already been putting together the resources, files, and paperwork

within the same jurisdiction i don't know if the judicial system would even hear both cases

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Scipiotik posted:

What? No, not even close.

Any new accuser could choose a different attorney. No Attorney is going to say "yeah go with that guy, I don't want to make money and get publicity".

Any new accuser would be an entirely new case, a judge isn't going to throw it out because the guy assaulted some other woman and she sued first.

Well, why have a lot of the high-profile multi plaintiff #metoo cases been handled this way, then

If there is no legal reason for it, there must be a practical reason, such as the first attorney to file having all the info and paperwork together already

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Scipiotik posted:

What cases are you talking about?

cosby, weinstein

many plaintiffs sharing an attorney seems to be the done thing in cases like this

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Amy Pole Her posted:

I mean, Gloria Allred didn’t even represent everyone so nope this isn’t right either.

Take a knee. Hit the showers.

"gloria allred only represented several dozen of cosby's many accusers" isn't a counterexample to "it's common for many plaintiffs to share counsel in these cases", my man

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Amy Pole Her posted:

Well I was discussing Weinstein for one.

And how exactly does it not?

i mean, i don't know why you want me to walk you through this, but alright

initially i thought "well, perhaps there is some legal convention that causes people to share counsel" and expressed this

this seemed like something to dig into since "why is everyone using buzzbee, he seems weird and dumb" has been a preoccupation of posters here

the poster Scipiotik contradicted this and seemed to know more about it, so I thought "well, if it's not legal convention there must be practical considerations that make people want to do it this way"

in both the cosby and weinstein cases you had many plaintiffs using the same counsel and being heard as part of the same case, which seems consistent with the buzzbee sitch regardless of whether there were others who were not grouping up.

PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Mar 23, 2021

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

PupsOfWar
Dec 6, 2013

Amy Pole Her posted:

Pups my friend there’s a huge mountain of difference between “huh it sure seems like a lot of the plaintiffs in these cases use the original filing attorney. Must be easier on paperwork” vs completely fabricated statements like “most attorneys will tell you to go to the other lawyer”

There are like 4-5 attorneys (myself included) that post here so it was especially funny.

I mean, that's fine, but if we're gonna belabor the matter you might want to check the part where I didn't argue with anyone who said I was wrong about that initial speculation

"maybe such-and-such thing is true"
"actually no because of so-and-so"
"well, if not that, seems like this other thing then"

pretty normal way for a forum conversation to go

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply