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Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

Chairman Capone posted:

I mean, Bloodline establishes that even years before TFA, Han is basically never around to the point that it's explicitly stated that even some of her senator friends don't realize that Leia is even married. And that was before their son was a school shooter.

And thus she flung herself into the flippers of the first nice man who was always there despite all the red flags

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thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Mulaney Power Move posted:

I don't think that was clear.

I believe the canon is Han didn't like being tied down to Coruscant and he was insecure about growing older so he was always going on weekend trips with Chewbacca. Leia started to resent him from being absent all the time and also he was rapidly gaining weight on his weekend binges, so that just added to the mutual resentment. When Kylo was born it just got worse because Han couldn't handle the responsibility and also felt emasculated because he was a stay at home dad while Leia was working in the new senate. On the guise of it being best for all of them, they sent Kylo to the Jedi Academy but it was basically boarding school while mom and dad tried to rekindle their relationship. At this point Leia was no longer that attracted to Han plus he was suffering from ED, so she started to encourage him to go on longer trips with Chewie just to get him out of house. It wasn't long before she began having an affair with Admiral Ackbar. They had been having an emotional affair for a while it was only a matter of time before it got physical between her and the fishman that always listens. One day Han got home early from one of his trips and found them in bed together and that was it - Han could never forgive her for having an affair with a hideous squid-man and he would never not feel embarrassed or insecure about it. It wasn't long before Leia realized she wasn't that into Ackbar and he got weird and clingy. She ditched him pretty quickly and for months he wouldn't stop calling her, but then the First Order blew up Coruscant and she was filled with guilt.

Anyway I'm pretty sure that's canon.

Yeah this checks out.

Hemp Knight
Sep 26, 2004

fartknocker posted:

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie

He had me up until the Ackbar bit too, the bastard!

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Hemp Knight posted:

He had me up until the Ackbar bit too, the bastard!

You were still in on the "Han was suffering from ED" part?

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

thrawn527 posted:

You were still in on the "Han was suffering from ED" part?

Skepticism was growing at that point

Unlike Han in this scenario :flaccid:

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
"rapidly gaining weight" was what tipped me off.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Arquinsiel posted:

"rapidly gaining weight" was what tipped me off.

I don't think Harrison Ford's ever even gained weight for a role. I can't picture it.

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

Didn't Ackbar actually die in one of EU books after he crashed a B-Wing into a government building? Maybe he survived. I never finished the book.

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

Mulaney Power Move posted:

Didn't Ackbar actually die in one of EU books after he crashed a B-Wing into a government building? Maybe he survived. I never finished the book.

He had a B-wing crash during one of the Jedi Academy trilogy books, Leia was with him, but he survived until late in the NJO.

In the sequels, he’s one of the group blown out the bridge during TLJ but unlike Leia he couldn’t Mary Poppins his way back to the ship :rip:

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Mulaney Power Move posted:

Didn't Ackbar actually die in one of EU books after he crashed a B-Wing into a government building? Maybe he survived. I never finished the book.

He survived the crash. You may be thinking of Borsk Fey'lya sacrificing himself during the NJO.

I think in the old EU Ackbar died off screen (well, off paper) of natural causes near the end of the NJO.

thrawn527 fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Jan 30, 2024

a sexual elk
May 16, 2007

Poor Winter

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



It as Ackbars niece Jesmin that was in the B-Wing crash but she actually survived that one and died later on in that same book i think.

MadDogMike
Apr 9, 2008

Cute but fanged

Hemp Knight posted:

He had me up until the Ackbar bit too, the bastard!

Admiral Ackbar can recognize getting involved with a married woman is a trap.

Ceebees
Nov 2, 2011

I'm intentionally being as verbose as possible in negotiations for my own amusement.

The Shame Boy posted:

It as Ackbars niece Jesmin that was in the B-Wing crash but she actually survived that one and died later on in that same book i think.

I think you're think of the wraith squadron books where Jesmin is introduced and promptly dies. I think ackbar crashing a b-wing is from KJA's trilogy with the sun crusher?

Ceebees fucked around with this message at 23:38 on Jan 30, 2024

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Ibtisam is the Mon Calamari pilot from the comic who dies. Jesmine Ackbar was introduced and died in Wraith Squadron.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Akbar crashes his (sabotaged) B-Wing into a glass tower that acts as a religious wind-chime at the start of Dark Apprentice so he retires from the military to go into exile on Mon Calamari. Then he kicks Daala's rear end when she tries to attack the planet because he immediately recognizes her using Tarkin's battle strategies that Ackbar had already devised countermeasures against when he was Tarkin's slave.

Mulaney Power Move
Dec 30, 2004

Arc Hammer posted:

Akbar crashes his (sabotaged) B-Wing into a glass tower that acts as a religious wind-chime at the start of Dark Apprentice so he retires from the military to go into exile on Mon Calamari. Then he kicks Daala's rear end when she tries to attack the planet because he immediately recognizes her using Tarkin's battle strategies that Ackbar had already devised countermeasures against when he was Tarkin's slave.

Yeah that's it. I remember it being a glass tower. Now what's really weird is I had forgotten I even read the Jedi Academy trilogy but I definitely did at some point because I remember the part about Daala.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Mulaney Power Move posted:

Yeah that's it. I remember it being a glass tower. Now what's really weird is I had forgotten I even read the Jedi Academy trilogy but I definitely did at some point because I remember the part about Daala.

its such a weird trilogy. i actually like book 1 well enough as its own weird standalone thing.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
The first book has Jacen and Jaina go to the natural history museum where they take an elevator to the center of the earth and they almost get eaten by an ogre. Lando goes to the blob horse races.

The second book has Leia talk to a giant sentient clam at the bottom of the ocean. It also features Han doing xtreme sports skiing.

The third book has Winter fight an army of spider walkers using a tentacle mountain

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I’ll take dumb KJA poo poo before any of the bleak poo poo that was coming out before the buyout.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Casimir Radon posted:

I’ll take dumb KJA poo poo before any of the bleak poo poo that was coming out before the buyout.

i have said it before and I like a bunch of the concepts that Disney has for new canon, but they either not fleshed out(the sequels) or fleshed out in post but a mixed bag (stuff post sequels). the old star wars stuff is more fun and i like the various balkan crisis poo poo of the week in space stuff. but it just got stupidly dark and lovely near the end. like most stuff did around that time.

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



I think alot of it can be attributed to the climate of the times. The dark nest crisis was indeed during the early days of the War on Terror and has Luke basically saying using force lightning to torture info out of a suspect is not dark side usage because it gives them actionable Intel to stop terrorism.


I loving hated that ar the time and hate it even more now.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
Upon reflection Troy Denning and Karen Traviss moving over to the Halo novels was probably the best action for both of them because the Halo books love that kind of "ends justify the means" straight tellings.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

bunnyofdoom posted:

I think alot of it can be attributed to the climate of the times. The dark nest crisis was indeed during the early days of the War on Terror and has Luke basically saying using force lightning to torture info out of a suspect is not dark side usage because it gives them actionable Intel to stop terrorism.


I loving hated that ar the time and hate it even more now.

yeah. it absolutly does. i think star wars can be gritty and dark. like andor is that and is great and etc. but when its just idk uber dark poo poo thats weirdly poor mans warhammer poo poo mixed with 24 bullshit. I love 40k but 40k doesnt click with the same tone as star wars.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


The NJO managed to have a post-9/11 feel on accident. They had the whole thing largely planned out in the late 90s, and something like half of the books published.

Edit: I mainlined most of the NJO in about a year, ‘04-‘05. Too much depressing poo poo in a short period of time.

Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Feb 1, 2024

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Casimir Radon posted:

The NJO managed to have a post-9/11 feel on accident. They had the whole thing largely planned out in the late 90s, and something like half of the books published.

Edit: I mainlined most of the NJO in about a year, ‘04-‘05. Too much depressing poo poo in a short period of time.

yeah, its just characters you like dying bad awful deaths and then it just keeps going. some of the stuff works but to me, it feels like how alot of people think 40k books are, just gory misery porn but with lightsabers. to me star wars has always been about Hope in the darkness. and while thats still there, it just meh.

Robot Style
Jul 5, 2009

Dapper_Swindler posted:

I love 40k but 40k doesnt click with the same tone as star wars.

Star Wars can have a little 40k, as a treat.

Rochallor
Apr 23, 2010

ふっっっっっっっっっっっっck

I clicked through one of the links there wanting to know more about the Order of the Terrible Glare, and lmao of course it's from one of Alan Moore's Star Wars comics.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Gotta love Luke's really neutral "Oh" in the header image on the Terrible Glare's page :allears:

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

yeah i read that in the one book and it made me chuckle.

OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
I purchased and read Death Troopers. It's a short book, so I breezed through it in a few hours.

The tone is very odd. It feels to me like a YA book, but way to graphic in some things. Such as the detail the author puts into one guy getting his head blown off or just actual child death.

There's some cheap death fake outs and nonsensical events that really just don't work even as I was reading them. Any tension about which characters may or may not die is ruined when Han and Chewie show up halfway through.

I would not recommend this book.



In brighter news. The listings for the next wave of Essential Legends books have been spotted. We are getting The Han Solo Adventures, Solo Command, and The Force Unleashed novelization this November.

I'm excited for the first two. Meh on The Force Unleashed.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I enjoyed Death Troopers right until the exact point you indentify the tension evaporating at. The sequel is actually a prequel and a SWTOR tie-in novel. It's... even worse. Really just does not make sense.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I didn’t care for Deathtroopers and didn’t even try Red Harvest. But Maul: Lockdown was alright. I think he matured a bit as an author by then.

Looks like The Lando Calrissian Trilogy is also getting rereleased. Maybe I can actually get through it as an audiobook. I’m happy to get Brian Daley’s trilogy too, or a lot more so since it’s good and not a bunch of insane libertarian nonsense. I was working on the Crispin trilogy but started to realize how YA she wrote it, plus too many references to poo poo from EU books set later. Did Han need to meet Horsefucker Thul’s parents way back before the Battle of Yavin, no but were doing it anyway.

Listening to The Courtship of Princess Leia has been slow going. Every time it seems like Wolverton is pivoting to something more exciting he shoots himself in the dick with more stupid adolescent bickering from Han, Leia, and Isolder. I have about 3 hours left.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Arc Hammer posted:


Chaos mode is pronouncing Tycho's last name as Kel-Chew

But that’s how you are supposed to pronounce it :confused:

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

Jaxxon: Still not the stupidest thing from the expanded universe.



Real chaos mode is the first name. Is it the right and proper tie-ko or the heretically blasphemous Tee-cho?

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



bunnyofdoom posted:

Real chaos mode is the first name. Is it the right and proper tie-ko or the heretically blasphemous Tee-cho?

Actually it’s pronounced “Frank”, rhymes with “Elizabeth”.

:confuoot:

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Xenomrph posted:

But that’s how you are supposed to pronounce it :confused:

Pretty sure I heard somewhere that the official pronunciation for his surname is Sell-Koo

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret
The pronunciation of his last name even comes up in one of the Rogue Squadron books, I think Wedge’s Gamble, where they refer to him as “Cel” after the first part of his last name at one point as a bit of cover, I think when Winter was telling Corran how Tycho learned about Alderaan’s destruction.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Arc Hammer posted:

Pretty sure I heard somewhere that the official pronunciation for his surname is Sell-Koo

Yeah that’s objectively and morally wrong and I hate it. You don’t want to be on the wrong side of history, do you?

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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

OhFunny posted:

I purchased and read Death Troopers. It's a short book, so I breezed through it in a few hours.

The tone is very odd. It feels to me like a YA book, but way to graphic in some things. Such as the detail the author puts into one guy getting his head blown off or just actual child death.

There's some cheap death fake outs and nonsensical events that really just don't work even as I was reading them. Any tension about which characters may or may not die is ruined when Han and Chewie show up halfway through.

I would not recommend this book.



In brighter news. The listings for the next wave of Essential Legends books have been spotted. We are getting The Han Solo Adventures, Solo Command, and The Force Unleashed novelization this November.

I'm excited for the first two. Meh on The Force Unleashed.

I kinda want the full unabriged version of the han solo trilogy. it was weird and dumb and i kinda liked how durga was potrayed as smart and kinda of cunning. instead of like a moron who makes a donald trump version of a death star.

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