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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Jakabite posted:

Schools need to be closed? Make sure kids can get the materials they need to keep learning, whatever the cost.
I've had a few rants about the teaching situation itt & elsewhere from a worker solidarity perspective, but just from a pragmatic perspective what really irks me is that it would be so loving fixable. Just get some actual experts in pedagogy & people who are passionate about teaching innovation to develop a distance learning program, and develop distance materials that can actually be easily supervised & delivered online by teachers with minimal training (which is then provided). Why on earth does every individual teacher of every individual class need to redevelop the wheel when you can just do it once for the entire country, and allow teachers to actually spend their time guiding students through actually-helpful exercises rather than having to bash out a load of stuff they know nothing about & leave the bits that they're actually good at to parents who frankly don't have the time. There's just no will for it, I've never even heard anyone suggest it.

PS happy-within-realistic-parameters new year, thread, I hope you all at least found solace in something over the last few weeks. I found a banging chocolate orange trifle recipe for anyone that wants it.

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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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jiggerypokery posted:

Has anywhere ever successfully harnessed tidal at scale?

Quick google says Korea has a big tidal plant (254MW) but I have no frame of reference for how much energy that is.
They've been talking about building a massive tidal lagoon in Swansea for years, the web site says that construction is due to start in, uh, 2016, just as soon as somebody starts giving a gently caress about funding investment in green energy and/or Wales

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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*reading job description*leader of her majesty's most loyal- yep, I can do this, no point in reading the rest

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Flayer posted:

Now it looks like we're facing over a thousand deaths a day at the same time we are rolling out the vaccine and the end is in sight. It defies belief.
If anything it seems more believable now imo: with the end in sight it's just a question of whether you'd rather kill tens of thousands of the vulnerable or slightly inconvenience the capital class, which is a very obvious question whomever you ask but for staggeringly different reasons

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Yeah I know, it's been an utterly mental plan throughout for everyone apart from hardcore denialists & short-termists*, hence why having a vaccine it a lot more believable imo that they'd try to take the rest of the deaths on the chin at this point: they didn't give a gently caress about long term consequences before, & now it's short term all the way**

*in fact business attitudes towards covid policy are a great case study on short-termism & irrationality in business, pretty much all of them were all like "idc if it costs me £100 tomorrow, I want to keep my £5 today"

**death is short term, right? they get better??

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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It was good policy to open them for one day because "every day counts", apart from all of the ones other than yesterday

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Jakabite posted:

I think the point is that Greenwich is the one Williamson was threatening legal action against if they closed their schools.

Feeling real despondent today thread. I just can’t imagine any possible route, at all, to things improving any more.
Most of us have been fighting so hard since 2015, we're still in the mindframe of "imminent victory possible, keep fighting", it takes a while to get out of that. Before that, it was "victory definitely not possible but might be at some point in the future, do as much as you can be bothered on your pet projects in your spare time to keep the groundwork in place but otherwise pretty much just try to focus on having a nice life".

Basically what I'm saying is, there is almost always a way to improve things in your own life, if not wider society, so just do that for a bit probably. Society's pretty hosed, but if you've done your part (which you have) you should be able to rest easy. Spring's coming, music still exists, even the tories can't cancel some things.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Guavanaut posted:

If anything, getting so close to any real change can provide the impetus for a future movement. Just need to make sure it isn't a weird Trotskyist sex cult.
Yeah agreed, we genuinely had a realistic shot of a socialist government in 2017,* there's now a hell of a lot more of us than there were in 2014, and our views are more normalised. Real change doesn't look possible now, but it still looks a hell of a lot more possible than it did in 2014. Important just to keep on keeping on, do your part, look after yourselves.

*yeah I know the party apparatus will be conspiring to make sure that doesn't happen again, and as we all know centrists are not at all prone to getting high off their own farts and endlessly repeating the same mistakes due to hubris,

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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stev posted:

I agree but there's a part of my brain that can't help but make slippery slope arguments. What happens when Johnson and chums decide that "socialism can work" is a dangerous lie and act accordingly?

I guess I just struggle to trust this particular government with anything more nuanced than an eggcup.
I work with a lot of terrorism researchers & human rights lawyers & the opinion is pretty universal that thought crimes/pre-crime/whatever is pretty dangerous territory in general. In this case, you'd have to phrase the legislation very carefully so that banning saying "vaccines are bad" doesn't also ban saying "this particular vaccine has some specific problems", which researchers should definitely be able to say, and even if you get the letter of the law exactly right people are still likely to be overly risk averse with regard to what research they do, fund or report, which could end up with problems not being looked at.

Much better to go after the platforms themselves, slap massive fines on the social media companies &c that allow people to spread their bullshit.

(& re Keith: on the one hand, at least it's a loving policy - & a well-intentioned one at that - but on the other it's probably pretty telling that babby's first policy is straight from the authoritarian school of thought that gave us Blairite counter-terror legislation)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Guavanaut posted:

This is a problem that has been raised by the EFF, that BAME and LGBT people are more at risk of prosecution under hate speech laws than Toby Young is, because our government and society in general is more systemically biased against them, and because as individuals they usually have less resources to fight it, but does that mean that you just throw your hands up and allow people to incite any shite on youtube?
People always bring hate speech laws up as an example of a "good" restriction on free speech, which they are in theory, and yet when open fascists hold public rallies to deliberately incite racial hatred and/or acts of terror the state sanctions & physically protects them

I'm not saying that free speech shouldn't be restricted btw, just that the state is loving poo poo at it

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Borrovan
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

My sister reckons BBC news aren't covering it at all. Anyone confirm yes or no? (I don't mean online BBC).
I'm glued to CNN right now.
I heard about it on 6music whilst I was cooking a few hours back, couldn't hear very well but it sounded pretty much like you'd expect, they did specifically note that Trump had been talking to the (e: rest of the) fash for an hour immediately beforehand though

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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By my authority as some random I hereby decree that we should all go outside & fling poo poo at each other's houses at midnight each Friday in support of, uh, the Fire Service

where's my BBC article


e: vvvv "Fling for Firemen", my pointless gesture's just straight-up better :colbert:

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:17 on Jan 7, 2021

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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flinging poo poo everywhere whilst screaming about biological sex being real is very modern Britain tbf

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Beefeater1980 posted:

One of the great pleasures of our current turbulent times has been watching centrists gradually radicalise:
Meh, centrists were always happy to criticise the status quo when there was no realistic possibility of change

If anything the sudden transition back is giving me whiplash

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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crispix posted:

I think given who did it the consequences will be bad tbh

that loving scum know they will be treated with kid gloves now
They already knew that really, you don't see cops getting maced at BLM protests &c because everyone knows exactly what would happen if they tried it, whereas right-wingers (rightly) think they can get away with it.

I enjoyed seeing cops getting maced tbh. Hopefully they'll remember that next time they're considering how to respond to the far right (narrator voice: they did not)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Ash Crimson posted:

Care to expand?
You have a massive history of blaming the English as a collective whole for all of the UK's problems, when there are plenty of good English people and plenty of lovely Scottish people. Stop doing that, and people will stop calling you on how loving lovely a worldview that is.

Ash Crimson posted:

anyone can be and can adopt the nationality
I don't want to, why does that make me responsible for what rich people do

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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OwlFancier posted:

I think it is the part where you keep saying that it's "the english" and "england" who are like that while "scotland" is cool and good, that makes people think you mean that.
Also the fact that they've explicitly said it a bunch of times* & doubled down when called on it

e: * e.g. ^^^

Borrovan posted:

I don't want to, why does that make me responsible for what rich people do
Why did you ignore this part, I'm English but consider Wales my home, why should I have to identify as Scottish to be a decent person

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Tesla was right posted:

Call the baddies Westminster instead of England if you don't actually believe the English are a kind of orc.
Actually I identify as an Uruk-hai, and you, Sir or Madam, are a racist

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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I think it might be possible to attack the concept of England without consistently blaming "the English" as a collective whole for all of the UK's problems.

For example, I think that the concept of England is poo poo, but that's due to the 1% of rich cunts in it,* and definitely not due to the literal majority of the population who don't vote Tory

e: *it's actually due to the concept of nation states being inherently poo poo, but my point still stands

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Supporting Scottish/Welsh/Kernowek/Northumbrian/whatever independence is fine, as is highlighting the crimes of England, but popping in every few days to say "boy, English people sure are bad, huh", then getting indignant and sealioning for hours when people react entirely predictably, is just so loving tiresome. I usually try to ignore it but I was drunk last night & frankly it's been like 3 days since the last episode , jfc

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endlessmonotony posted:

It's still not hard to read from context though, so that's on almost everyone else.
Ash Crimson has repeatedly made it clear in the past that they are actually talking about the English voters, yes all of them, and no not the Scottish Tories/Brexit voters/whatever. People who are saying "what they actually mean is..." are forgetting a whole bunch of their posts.

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 12:30 on Jan 9, 2021

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Off out for a run, taking my water bottle with me cuz gently caress the police

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Jose posted:

Acab but cheerleading these people getting arrested is cool and good regardless
Agree that our enemies fighting each other is cool & good, but uhh maybe deliberately riling people into an antisemitic frenzy & normalising hardcore nazi views is actually very not good

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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stev posted:

It also has the effect of funnelling everyone into parks and fields. I went for a walk down the common at the weekend and it was heaving because it's one of the few things people can do outside without feeling guilty.
Rules here in Wales are that exercise must start & finish at home (no driving, basically), so the parks by us are completely rammed all the time, and with everybody local in the parks obviously people are gonna run into people they know and stand around chatting for a bit. Social distancing is basically impossible, we've been avoiding the parks literally like the plague.

Instead, we've been shamelessly breaking the rules and driving off somewhere quiet when we want to go for a walk (staying within the general local area, obviously). Odd trend that I've noticed is that literally everyone you encounter walking in places that you'd have to drive to get to are really good at social distancing, people just get the hell out of the way and are very polite about it. Only the rulebreakers are actually acting with any sense, basically.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

So I think a while ago a few people were saying that they'd signed up for the NHS Volunteer Responders thing and never got a single request. I was in this boat too and actually changed phones in the summer so completely forgot about it, and have just set it back up because I want an excuse to get out of the house am a good person who wants to help out in my community.

Turns out that if you don't upload a selfie *and allow your profile picture to be shown* you'll never receive an alert, which makes sense because the pic is how the person you're helping knows its you turning up at their house. Within minutes of doing this I got a request which it turns out was on the other side of the river (hooray naive location algorithms), but demonstrates that there are actually plenty of people out there needing help.
I had a picture, still never got an alert

Also got a new phone since, should probably reinstall if people actually need it

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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https://twitter.com/andrew_adonis/status/1269657417308143617?lang=en
Apparently a consensus on Blair has just emerged in the last 6 months

That or Adonis is a shameless grifter seizing any opportunity to lie about how everyone loves Blair as much as him :thunk:

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Dugong posted:

Having my first Asda delivery arrive today and got an email this morning saying half my items can't be included in the delivery. Is this normal? It's not anything exotic, stuff like bin bags aren't available.
My gf mentioned that the shelves were looking a bit empty at the shop the other day, was fine when I went last week though.

Brexit? Panic buying? Covid-related supply interruptions? Who knows!

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Tarnop posted:

A word of warning: insurance companies log quote attempts through comparison sites against your IP address. So fiddling with stuff like mileage and voluntary excess is no issue, but if you start messing around with quotes at lots of different postcodes, changing whether or not your car is modified, adding and removing past claims, then that all gets recorded and they may use that against you if you take the policy and then make a claim.

source: used to work in an insurer's counter-fraud dept :guillotine:
I bought a car with a cheap parking sensor attached & after getting my quotes went outside & ripped it out to get the better deal, am I going to jail?

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Guavanaut posted:

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The rarest pokemon

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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He's socially liberal because he doesn't think it should actually be illegal to be a [insert litany of homophobic slurs]

Communist Thoughts posted:

He was seen as anti-british.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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keep punching joe posted:

Pretty sure Scottish government just directly send cash to parents of free school meal recipients. Seems more efficient than packing up a hamper of wilted veg and baked beans.
That's much less efficient, if the money goes via the parents then it only trickles up to tory donors via their shareholdings in various retailers &c, far more efficient to just directly give it to the tory donors in the first place

(see also: :byodame:parents will just spend it on drugs & lootboxes)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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If all of youse wanted to eat the posh-people school dinners, you should have worked harder back in your amniotic sacs, frankly

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Oh, so just because her mum & dad obviously got her the job you assume she's not qualified to get the job based on her own merits? This is classism of the worst kind.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Apropos of nothing I just remembered that it's the launch event for Party Plane Jones Corbyn's Project for Peace & Justice this Sunday afternoon, so if anyone else registered & completely forgot here's your reminder

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Jel Shaker posted:

do torrents not exist anymore?
We're still on the tail-end of people having decided that it's slightly more convenient than pirating to watch stuff on a TV via whatever-app, but not having noticed yet that there's a free app to stream all your :filez: straight from your PC

(I used to use a Chromecast but Plex is miles easier, in case anyone isn't aware)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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I actually don't believe that one's real

The fruit & veg is fresh, for a start

Borrovan
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Angepain posted:

i don't have the link but this is not the only photo of these i've seen that has used a coin bag as a food container. guess they're just using whatever's lying around
I was suspicious of it because the actual cost of getting someone to manually open a tin of tuna and put it into coin bags must be wayyyy more than the wholesale value of the other half tin of catfood-grade tuna, but maybe it turns out that free markets aren't rational after all?

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

And all because maybe 10 people sold their vouchers for drugs or whatever. Millions shall be punished.
I very much doubt this ever actually happened. Surely you'd just eat the food and use your other money for drugs (which you were probably gonna do anyway, but now your family eats something)?

Either way, Citation loving Needed

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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imo it's a snappy Three Five Word Phrase that is pretty useful & emphatic when talking about, for example, our punitive welfare system. Lots of people just don't get that the system is designed to punish people off benefits, and a snappy phrase opens the door to discuss that. The cruelty isn't the "end-goal", but it is deliberate, and it is the "point" of forcing people to jump through endless hoops that they can't possibly jump through. The cruelty is the point of all the bullshit, even if the point of the cruelty is something else. Arguing about whether the "point" and the "end goal" are the same is just semantics.

Whether that's applicable here though: well yeah imo it is, people don't want to seem soft on starving children in case the Daily Mail brigade call them leftie do-gooders, so they deliberately bake cruelty into the design in much the same way as the welfare system. I don't think it's right to attribute it to laziness, or carelessness or w/e, because somebody has obviously put careful thought into what they think the minimum they can get away with supplying is, they've done that for a reason, and the reason isn't to save money because it almost certainly costs more, even in the short term. But, whether or not the cruelty is "the point" in this situation is arguable enough that a snappy simplistic buzz-phrase is less useful, because then you end up in a twelve hour argument about semantics, rather than making your real point, that the State is needlessly cruel for ideological reasons.

Jakabite's core thesis about intellectual laziness is right, basically, but that doesn't mean it isn't a useful phrase in situations like this, even if this particular case is borderline enough that "snappiness" has much less rhetorical value. In general, a snappy phrase that isn't actually what you really mean invariably only appeals to people who already agree with you, confuses anyone on the fence, and causes pedantic arguments with your opponents wherein you just get talked down to for not knowing the meaning of words (:smug:). "When we say defund the police, what we really mean is..." just makes you look disingenuous and confused.

Basically, when you say ACAB, you had better mean literally every individual copper & be prepared to double down on that, because they all are, they are bastards

Topical: police murdered a guy in Cardiff this weekend, he was arrested for a public order offence at his home & released without charge covered in cuts & bruises, and then died. "Arrested for a public order offence at his home and released without charge" is my least favourite euphemism, why can't they just say "he didn't like us harassing him at his home for no reason so we abducted him and beat him to death", everyone knows that they'd have got him for something else and/or charged him if there was actually a reason for any of it

Borrovan
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BurningCourage posted:

If not it is possible to pursue them through small claims for the half they owe.
Problem with that is that the kind of person who ducks out on their bills is probably also the kind of person who will ignore court paperwork, and there's gently caress-all you can do about it. It's really bad news for them if you get judgment against them and they don't pay, but that doesn't mean they'll actually pay. You might have to bring additional enforcement proceedings, which is just a bit of a ballache frankly. Even if you do that (which in the current climate will probably take at least a year, at a completely random guess - possibly much more), you might only end up getting piddly little instalments, having dropped quite a bit on various court fees that are just added to the total you're getting back in piddly instalments.

There's always a good chance of people backing down at the first letter from the courts - or even a "hi I'm filling in the court papers right now r u sure u don't want to pay" - but if they're unusually lazy, contentious or poor, just be warned that making a money claim will take ages, and might not get you a satisfactory resolution

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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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I can't read "Chartwells" without hearing Woody Harrelson as Larry Flint calling Jerry Falwell "Fartwell".

Shart well.

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