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Nick Saban has amassed a college coaching record of 256-65-1 with seven national titles — six at Alabama and one at LSU. Bill Belichick has led the Patriots (or maybe Brady did) to six NFL Super Bowls. Belichick's career record, including playoffs, is 310–147. Saban was only 15-17 in the NFL with the Miami Dolphins. If you were to pit Saban against Belichick with two teams of essentially equal talent, which guy game plans the winning strategy? https://twitter.com/TMZ_Sports/status/1350427920485986307 CocoaNuts fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Jan 16, 2021 |
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I'm actually the greatest football mastermind, OP. I know every draft bust from their name alone. I know that one guy who's supposed to be good actually sucks. I know this coach can't playcall his way out of a paper bag. I call the quarterback an idiot when he throws a pick instead of to the guy who's open. I yell at the screen to pound the rock while I eat buffalo wings. This is what makes me a football mastermind.
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Jan 16, 2021 17:07
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I think it's less Saban vs. Belichick than it is how remarkable that a pretty mediocre run in Cleveland resulted in the two of them collaborating to create some of the most important and influential defensive innovations of our time. I'm not sure either one would be the success they are together without that time working together.
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Jan 16, 2021 17:17
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Nah.
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Jan 16, 2021 17:21
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I think it's more that Saban is better at convincing the best high school players to come to his school.
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Jan 16, 2021 17:29
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Jan 16, 2021 17:33
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Jack Easterby
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Jan 16, 2021 19:03
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Mr. Nice! posted:I think it's more that Saban is better at convincing the best high school players to come to his school. Yeah. Its insane to even try and compare NFL vs college ball coaching. Its just apples and oranges. There are no salary constraints, and the disparity of talent between teams and especially defenses is insane in college ball. Belichick is the goat and its not even close.
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Jan 16, 2021 21:46
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Catfish Noodlin posted:I think it's less Saban vs. Belichick than it is how remarkable that a pretty mediocre run in Cleveland resulted in the two of them collaborating to create some of the most important and influential defensive innovations of our time. I'm not sure either one would be the success they are together without that time working together. Working the refs so they don’t call he offensive pass interference you commit on every play?
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Jan 16, 2021 23:01
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coronavirus posted:Belichick is the goat and its not even close. Bill Walsh is the GOAT, sorry
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Jan 17, 2021 02:15
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MakaVillian posted:Bill Walsh is the GOAT, sorry Hahaha. He doesn't even make the top 3.
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Jan 17, 2021 07:02
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Mr. Nice! posted:I think it's more that Saban is better at convincing the best high school players to come to his school. does alabama have the greatest recruiting hostesses of all time?
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Jan 17, 2021 07:11
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coronavirus posted:Hahaha. He doesn't even make the top 3. Yes, the guy who's undefeated in Superbowl's and who's coaching philosophy revolutionized offence and who's coaching tree are still around and winning games doesn't make the top 3.
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Jan 17, 2021 08:45
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PupsOfWar posted:does alabama have the greatest recruiting hostesses of all time? Bama has the best bagmen and hostesses.
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Jan 17, 2021 13:01
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MakaVillian posted:Superbowl's MakaVillian posted:who's
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Jan 17, 2021 13:38
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Pickle Rick Saban
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Jan 17, 2021 14:23
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Here's a list of coaches confirmed to be better than Saban: Herm Edwards Mike Mularkey Jon Gruden Dick Vermeil Jim Mora Bill Belichick Romeo Crennel Bill Cowher Dick Jauron (x2 lol) Gary Kubiak Eric Mangini Mike McCarthy Jack Del Rio Tony Dungy
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Jan 17, 2021 14:27
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I'm sure Paul Finebaum would agree but that would mean he would have to take Nick's dick out his mouth first.
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Jan 17, 2021 14:39
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a lotta people who don’t know anything about cfb with lots of opinions on it, very cool it’s harder to win consistently in the nfl than in college because of parity so i’d probably give the edge to belichick; that being said it’s a lot harder to get to the mountaintop in college football because that same top loading means that when you are trying to compete for titles you’re going against teams that typically don’t have any readily exploitable weakness also, recruiting isn’t the end all be all it sounds like; texas and tennessee both do an incredible job of getting people to agree to come to their school and then do gently caress all with the talent they amass
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Jan 17, 2021 16:21
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MakaVillian posted:Yes, the guy who's undefeated in Superbowl's and who's coaching philosophy revolutionized offence and who's coaching tree are still around and winning games doesn't make the top 3. Undefeated in superbowls is a weird stat to use since he didnt go the half of the ones Belichick did. If all it takes to be a top 3 all time coach is to revolutionize how the game is played, then I guess Andy Reid is also a top 3 all time coach. 1.Belicheck Not in a particular order 2-4 Lombardi Shula Landry Walsh is somewhere around here.
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Jan 17, 2021 18:43
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Reid is an all timer for sure I would put him probably 3rd all time
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Jan 17, 2021 18:45
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Cavauro posted:He barely makes your top 3 mistakes! I'm just fooling around! Dammit
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Metapod posted:Reid is an all timer for sure I would put him probably 3rd all time Tomlin has the same superbowl record as Reid and has never had a losing season
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a neat cape posted:Tomlin has the same superbowl record as Reid and has never had a losing season That's true but Tomlin never had to rely on a oline coach to be a defensive coordinator
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coronavirus posted:Undefeated in superbowls is a weird stat to use since he didnt go the half of the ones Belichick did. If all it takes to be a top 3 all time coach is to revolutionize how the game is played, then I guess Andy Reid is also a top 3 all time coach. Walsh and Belichick (only counting the NE years) won the same number of Super Bowl's in 10 seasons (Walsh retired after 10 years) and Belichick lost twice to the Giants in that 10 year span. Seems weird to punish a guy for retiring on top. So going to the Super Bowl 30% of the seasons he coached, instituting an offence that is still used today (modified of course) and birthing a coaching tree (of which Andy Reid is a part of) that is still around and successful isn't top 3 in your mind?
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Jan 17, 2021 19:06
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Walsh is a great coach but he's worse than beli Reid and Gibbs imo
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Jan 17, 2021 19:08
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MakaVillian posted:Walsh and Belichick (only counting the NE years) won the same number of Super Bowl's in 10 seasons (Walsh retired after 10 years) and Belichick lost twice to the Giants in that 10 year span. Seems weird to punish a guy for retiring on top. Belichick did it after free agency. Much more impressive
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Jan 17, 2021 19:23
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Nick was .500 against Bill in the nfl while never having a quarterback and with a team of players he actively hated
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Raku posted:Nick was .500 against Bill in the nfl while never having a quarterback and with a team of players he actively hated I can't quite put my finger on it, but I sense some bias here from you.
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Raku posted:Nick was .500 against Bill in the nfl while never having a quarterback and with a team of players he actively hated why did he hate his own players that's not a normal thing to do maybe this situation points to some limitations he has as a head coach!
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Jan 17, 2021 20:28
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Nick Saban made a player cry during practice. Belichick cut a player so hard he beat up his own dad in a bar parking lot.
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Jan 17, 2021 20:30
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don't know
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Kalli posted:Nick Saban made a player cry during practice. So Nick is the greater humanitarian of the two? Is that the message here?
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CocoaNuts posted:So Nick is the greater humanitarian of the two? Is that the message here? Nah, he then immediately fled to college because he realized how much easier it was to make 19 year olds weep.
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Jan 17, 2021 20:33
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It's actually Jim Tomsula 
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The best coach is probably some position coach laboring in obscurity, without the staggering power of the Alabama recruiting machine or the perfect confluence of factors in the Patriots organization.
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College football is such an uncompetitive racket that you cannot even call.him a good coach. Bama just plays a bunch of.nobody tonpad stats and then the SEC just gets rep for playing against themselves. College football has such a talent disparity that unless you are on some 2nd tier team with relatively questionable athletes you cant say coaching really all that matters imo. Any goon could take Alabama athletes to 11-1 or 12-0 any given year
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EmbryoSteve posted:College football is such an uncompetitive racket that you cannot even call.him a good coach. Bama just plays a bunch of.nobody tonpad stats and then the SEC just gets rep for playing against themselves. Extremely dumb opinion.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Extremely dumb opinion. Nah any div 2 head coach could take Alabama to the playoffs
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EmbryoSteve posted:College football is such an uncompetitive racket that you cannot even call.him a good coach. Bama just plays a bunch of.nobody tonpad stats and then the SEC just gets rep for playing against themselves. close the thread it's not getting any funnier than this
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