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EmbryoSteve posted:College football is such an uncompetitive racket that you cannot even call.him a good coach. Bama just plays a bunch of.nobody tonpad stats and then the SEC just gets rep for playing against themselves. i think this is a good argument against Meyer, since he took over an Ohio State program that already had a 10-win floor under Tressell, a Florida program that already had a 10-win floor under Spurrier, and a Utah program that while not ~amazing was much better resourced than most of its conference peers granted Florida's bad interregnum under Zook lasted a lot longer than Ohio State's bad interregnum under Fickell, give meyer at least some credit for the turnaround job there. Alabama however was legit bad-to-mediocre for their past few coaches between Stallings and Saban, if it were just a matter of having a board that was willing to commit infinite resources to recruiting and facilities then Alabama would have been good under Shula PupsOfWar fucked around with this message at 04:52 on Jan 19, 2021 |
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true it is only an Elite Coach that can take a bunch of players gravely insulted by joey galloway as "a bunch of rece davises" and turn them into Two Time Big Ten West Champions
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I have it on good authority that the answer was actually the only football coach with 2 nicknames and people used both: that one in extremely rural Mississippi who had a huge sports illustrated article about him I read a lot when I was a kid.
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I’ve gone into the lab OP and I’ve come back with the definitive answer: no way Jose
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remember bob stitt lmao
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Alaois posted:remember bob stitt lmao montana didn't give him a fare shake!!
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PupsOfWar posted:montana didn't give him a fare shake!! what was the name of the shaved sasquatch he had playing QB for him at Montana i can't remember Brady something e: Brady Gustafson! remember the like, 5 minutes of Draft Punditry Magic where he was a hot prospect for the NFL 
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EmbryoSteve posted:Nah any div 2 head coach could take Alabama to the playoffs USC and Texas and a whole bunch of SEC teams that aren’t Bama pull in great recruiting classes every year and still lose multiple games to teams with far worse talent. Recruits are high school kids. Even the best of them are raw as poo poo and a lot of them never pan out. Being able to identify and coach up talent that fits your scheme is how the best college programs stay at the top. Star ratings are also a two way street. A kid gets an offer from a powerhouse and he gets an extra star because obviously he must be good if they’re offering him.
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PupsOfWar posted:why did he hate his own players they were too busy doing drugs and having strippers in the locker room to win football games and football is the only thing he cares about on a professional level
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Raku posted:they were too busy doing drugs and having strippers in the locker room to win football games yeah I'm sure that's what it was https://www.cbsnews.com/news/former-dolphin-says-nick-saban-walked-over-convulsing-player/ quote:Nick Saban is not exactly Mr. Personality. His impersonal, tightly-wound coaching ethos has led to great success in college football. But according to one former player, there was one incident during Saban's tenure with the Miami Dolphins that goes beyond impersonal and enters the realm of inhuman. After a long day of practice in 2005, a player was on the ground convulsing only to have his head coach allegedly step over him and continue walking.
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Raku posted:they were too busy doing drugs and having strippers in the locker room to win football games It’s okay to admit that Nick Saban isn’t perfect. He won’t know.
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Honestly, I don't know how people really can make an argument that Saban is anything more than Bill-lite from a Schematic standpoint. Rip/Liz, divider rules, MOF Coverages, all the pass defense concepts that came out of Cleveland are essentially things they've both used indefinitely since then. Arguably, Bill's more multiple, since he loves to point out he's not a 4-3 or 3-4 guy, just a tactician trying to win the day with whatever works. Saban rolled that 3-4 poo poo counting on heavy subs in college as long as he could until he had a Lloyd Carr moment and realized 270 pound LBs in coverage were a potential liability to where he's a lot more willing to experiment with formations and personnel now. Bill was definitely faster to embrace change on offense too, considering what they did with their passing concepts when they went after Randy and other guys. Where Saban actually has a claim to being better than Bill is in his roster building for the level. Bill's had years where there's just a crippling flaw with a team he can't get around--bad safeties or weak pass rush--particularly in the run from '05-'13. Saban hasn't gone more than 3 seasons as a college coach without a title since he was at LSU. Now, it's harder to be consistent with personnel in the NFL from a turnover standpoint, but consider the fact that the single most valuable position on the team didn't turn over for Belichick for like 18 seasons, where Nick can get 4 at most. Yes, you get more guys on a college roster, but that's still a rather sizable handicap when you factor in how much less evaluation you get to do before they ever get to you in college anyways. Bill's well known for his scouting ability--you don't quite have the same pool of work to judge off of a level below. I think they fundamentally have very different specialties beyond just their coverage/alignment rules. Given equal materials/teams/footing, I probably pick Belichick if I guess, but if they're recruiting their own teams, it might be a bit of a tossup
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The best college coach is bill snyder btw
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Metapod posted:The best college coach is bill snyder btw snyder was a fuckin wizard, it’s true
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TheGreyGhost posted:Bill's had years where there's just a crippling flaw with a team he can't get around--bad safeties or weak pass rush--particularly in the run from '05-'13. idk if you can argue that the 07 and 11 teams had a “crippling flaw” really considering they made it to the Super Bowl and lost narrowly
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Metapod posted:The best college coach is bill snyder btw Yeah
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Ehud posted:yeah I'm sure that's what it was If that is a real story, whole poo poo this guy is psycho
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R.D. Mangles posted:true it is only an Elite Coach that can take a bunch of players gravely insulted by joey galloway as "a bunch of rece davises" and turn them into Two Time Big Ten West Champions Don't forget he coached those players into signing away their labor rights too. Real gritball stuff.
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Madden is the best coach of all time, OP.
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MrLogan posted:Madden is the best coach of all time, OP. 103-32-7 and one Super Bowl in 10 seasons with the Raiders. Hmm.
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CocoaNuts posted:103-32-7 and one Super Bowl in 10 seasons with the Raiders. averaging 10-3-1 is pretty good imo
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Plus winning a SB with the Raiders is unheard of these days
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It was all Al Davis
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Saban knows his god drat football, but I wouldn't have liked his odds here: https://twitter.com/TMZ_Sports/status/1352058399576502272
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in order to disprove his doubters, saban should take over as the new head football coach of his alma-mater, Kent State, and lead them to national championship glory at that point i will concede he is good
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PupsOfWar posted:in order to disprove his doubters, saban should take over as the new head football coach of his alma-mater, Kent State, and lead them to national championship glory only if bill belichick does the same for the browns
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CocoaNuts posted:Saban knows his god drat football, but I wouldn't have liked his odds here: There’s a massive bama Homer who regularly posts on a big dolphins board and man, bama fans are bama fans. Dudes about to quit dolphins because former players bashed Nick Saban lol
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Amy Pole Her posted:There’s a massive bama Homer who regularly posts on a big dolphins board and man, bama fans are bama fans. Raku posts there too?
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Raku posts there too? He’s the forums latest “draft expert” and man his bias just shines through. Hilariously so.
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Amy Pole Her posted:He’s the forums latest “draft expert” and man his bias just shines through. Hilariously so. I'm sorry I carry my rightness and moral fortitude to each and every thread I bless
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Raku posted:I'm sorry I carry my rightness and moral fortitude to each and every thread I bless This dude makes you look incredibly centered and fair. Hes insane with his rankings. He ranks Bama guys at every position he can. Every single time.
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