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Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Catastrophe posted:

Well I have a "dumb poo poo your work does" story then that isn't about my work. I was chatting with one of the brewers at Cascade Brewing here one day and he was saying how they let him make a one-off beer that used brettanomyces instead of their standard yeast/bacteria concoction. The dang stuff jumped from barrel to barrel and spread to all of their brewing equipment, infecting everything they had. He said they actually burned some of their equipment to get rid of it and then swore off of ever allowing anyone use brettanomyces in their brewhouse again.

I think The Bruery had the same problem at some point and ended up building an entirely separate facility to brew or age some of their beers so it stopped infecting their other stuff.

This is a really well known issue though? A
Like any non total dipshit Brewer is going to know this. Still very very funny though.

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Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Rockman Reserve posted:

all of you loving nerds with your shell scripts and stuff, just set your mouse on the face of an analogue watch, like why the hell are you making this poo poo so complicated lol

You're going to have to draw me a diagram here because all my analogue watches have no moving parts on the outside? Non-hosed up watches have glass over the face.

Show me your hosed up watches.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Tarkus posted:

Mice work on image tracking now so the hands of a watch below the mouse registers as movement.

The movement of a second hand will be way too slight to move the mouse cursor surely? And the glass would interfere with it anyway.

Someone make a video of this working.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




ben shapino posted:

when WFH started i just installed what i needed to on my personal computer and i work on my PC. i guess that's pretty dumb of my company to let me do

The one reason I would be against this is if you're work is not paying you for wear and tear on your home PC. Essentially you're having it on 8 hours a day it wouldn't normally be on so they should compensate you for that.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Our work has organised an Zoom dance party to celebrate Hispanic people.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




goatface posted:

Tell them you are allergic to the rhythm.

I'm British, this should already be apparent.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




AHH F/UGH posted:

1. I want more details
2. Please record this dance party in some way and post it

1. You know as much about this as I do, i just have a meeting invite to a zoom dance party to celebrate Hispanic people. There's no other information.

2. no

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Atopian posted:

After that, any sort of threat of discipline to anyone for anything should surely be met with "so is this more or less serious than Scottish porn?"

It's porn that it's unlucky to talk about.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Hyrax Attack! posted:

I had someone get mad when I referred to Star Trek fandom as a subculture. In context I was saying that while discussing how I enjoyed the show and identifying myself as part of that group and the discussion had been fun up until that point, when I had to backpedal as they didn't know what the word meant and thought I was attacking them (and myself?). That coworker seemed upset when I subsequently was unwilling to discuss non-work matters with them.

The alternative is that Star trek fandom is the dominant culture which I dont think anyone is ready for.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Queen Victorian posted:

The gently caress? I've used "you guys" as you-plural for pretty much my entire life, including to address all-female groups and have never had an issue or anyone take offense. I also call everyone dude regardless of gender. I'm from NorCal originally so maybe it's a NorCal thing?

I do tend towards "hey everyone" in written communications though.

I've been working on using inclusive local vocabulary like "yinz" and "jagoff" more often.

You've never known that anyone took offence, which is part of the problem. If I call everyone dude and someone of my team doesn't want to be called dude they might not be comfortable complaining about that. So I've just put someone in an uncomfortable situation for literally no reason at all.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Prism Mirror Lens posted:

People who can’t touchtype make my blood boil cause every time I go to help them this happens:

*laboriously hunt-and-pecks password while staring intently at keyboard*
*looks up*
Haha oops guess I didn’t click the box!
*begins sloooowly tapping away on keyboard again for the next ten minutes while I grind my teeth in frustration*

And these are professional programmers

It's me! I've been a software engineer for the last 20 years and never learned to touch type. I've always programmed ever since I was 6 typing the code books in my ZX Spectrum by looking at the keys and never at the screen.

The only time this was a problem was in my final year and I suddenly had to write a 50,000 word dissertation.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




wilderthanmild posted:

What you need is middle and senior management castes whose entire day is just meetings so that they can give out confusing directives in the 5 minutes between meetings.

Stop doxing my work week.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Outrail posted:

I'm still having a lot of trouble understanding the difference between agile, smegma etc and basic common sense project management. It seems like the problem is these bozos can't manage a project without being forced to use an entirely new system that babys them through the process.

E:spelling

Eh common sense to one person is not common sense to another.

Like a core part of our process is not letting product talk to our engineers. Product hate this because it goes against common sense. The engineers know what state something is in and when it might be done. The flip side of that is that if you say product can speak to engineers directly they apply all sorts of implied pressure to them, even unintentionally, and try to slip in undocumented changes in mid sprint. Its not because product are bad people per se, its just they have different objectives.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




HenryJLittlefinger posted:

Please update us

My favorite content in this thread is people getting some comeuppance for being bad coworkers.


I had another good one with my willfully computer illiterate coworker yesterday.

:v:"Henry, I hate to bother you, but I can't log in."
:)"Can't log into what?"
:v:"It just says 'bad gateway.'"
:)"What says that? Your main desktop login?"
:v:"My work page."
:)"The what? Here, I'll help you."
Turns out they just can't log into the main company administrative resources page, which is just a directory for various stuff they need their username/pw to access. I still don't know what it is they need to access yet, though.
:)"Ok, what specifically do you need to log in to?"
:v:"I just need to log in to the site."
:)"Yes, I understand, but what do you need access to once you log in?"
:v:"My work page, I need to log in so I can do the work page!"
No idea what this is about still, there's about 8 different resources to log into, including HR, purchasing, Outlook via the internet, department intranet, TimeClock, etc.
:)"Ok, if I can get you logged in, tell me the first thing you are going to do when you log in."
:v:"I'm going to clock in!"
:)"Aha! You need to log into TimeClock."

So I googled 'site:companypage.com "timeclock" which links me directly to the TimeClock portal and they can log in. I felt a little bad just doing it rather than talking them through in case it happens again, but during this whole process they were doing things like mixing up the address bar and the search bar, closing the whole browser when they just wanted to open a new tab, etc. and I know that any path of actions outside their normal morning log in clock in routine would result in vapor lock. They are old and I feel sorry for them sometimes because the world is fast and confusing for someone their age but dammit learn to use the tools you need to do your job.

Timeclock is not a tool he needs to do his job, it's a tool his job requires to monitor him doing his job. The way he was given to log into this monitoring system wasn't working

It's the duality of IT services, they complain when users don't follow the instructions, they also complain when users don't work around issues themselves, by logging into a third party site or something.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Motronic posted:

This is bad advice, and contrary to most fire codes. It's also not a thing that is commonly available as a standalone device, rather used as part of a full home wired system for very, very obvious reasons.

Where do you live where code is not a heat detector in the kitchen? It’s certainly the standard here (Scotland) now.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Motronic posted:

But I suppose if it's allowed where you live it's better than nothing. I haven't found any issues with properly placed smokes in a kitchen that has proper ventilation.

It's not allowed, it's literally the law to have a heat alarm in your kitchen with interlinked smoke alarms elsewhere in the house.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Scientastic posted:

Not everyone lives in America, the gold standard in the UK is mains powered linked alarms, with heat alarms in the kitchen and bathroom, smoke alarms in every other room.

I literally just had mine done as part of having a loft conversion, we had an inspector come round and certify it

Yeah it's the law in Scotland now, it was supposed to be 2021 but the deadline got extended to 2022. Just got myself a set on interlinked alarms to put up. Heat Alarm in the kitchen, smoke alarms in the other rooms plus CO detector beside the wood burner.

Speaking of bonuses there used to be a Off Licence here in the UK where the regional managers bonus was based on his store managers NOT getting thier bonuses. The logic being that the targets he set for the store were good if the managers didn't exceed them and thus get a bonus. If only there were other ways for a regional manager to gently caress with a stores bonus.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Neddy Seagoon posted:

Also a mains-powered alarm would be reliant on your power WORKING while there's a fire, which isn't necessarily always going to be the case depending on how that fire started.

Main powered alarms have battery backups in them.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




We have unlimited PTO here but we're also in the UK so we have a minimum number of days set down in law which is good.

Also we understand its not a market to gently caress people around so we just approve anything.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




SilvergunSuperman posted:

That's just greedy, with nearly a stolen mil in the bank I sure as gently caress wouldn't be living anywhere that extradites to the US.

People who embezzle money rarely keep it.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




I think the oldest system I ever worked with was at a Legal search company (a company that a solicitor uses when doing conveyancing etc). All the accounts were done on a MicroVAX 2000 which was presented with a CSV, it ran for an hour and produced some other CSVs. I wrote a whole spring/hibernate/axis web stack thing which presented things to the solicitors but ultimately all it did was produce a CSV for the MicroVAX. Also no one in our company could use it or change it. All changes were done by a contractor who'd come up from Leeds anytime we wanted to change anything.

That was the same job where we had to work with Registers House, who in YOOL 2009-10 were still using IE 6 because they relied on an activex plugin to work that also needed the Microsoft JVM installed. So that was different.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




bee posted:

I have an employee who is demanding that our employer fund a desk for him so he can work at home, because his usual workplace is shut down thanks to the plague. He's trying to claim that he can't work because he doesn't have a workstation at home that mirrors the one provided for him in the office. He's already burned through all his sick leave, so he's about to discover that he's now on leave without pay because he's refusing to work. I expect to be receiving some super fun emails from him tomorrow.

Where would someone get the idea that your employer is going to buy you a desk? :whoptc:

Wait are we supposed to be on your employers side here? Here it's your workplace's responsibility to make sure you have everything you need to do your job. I got a chair from my work and could have gotten a desk as well.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Motronic posted:

Middle managers have rights too! They need to have asses in seats so they can survey their domain.

I would say as a middle manager most of this does not come from middle managers, it's coming from VP level. We did a survey here with options

1. Work from home forever
2. Work from the office on days agreed by your team
3. Work from the office on days set by VP level
4. Work from office all the time.

Unsurprisingly everyone except for the lickspittles in Finance went for work from home forever. Bizarrely Finance wanted office days set by upper management and that was the option that VP's wanted to happen. but with the employment market as it is that had zero chance of happening.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Jasper Tin Neck posted:

I'm always amazed to hear Americans declare working from home the best thing since bread came sliced, because I think it's awful.

Connectivity is worse, all file operations, are noticeably laggy, there is no separation of work and leisure, I have to cook lunch and clean my own office and most of all I actually enjoy having coworkers around to discuss work with or just shoot the poo poo over coffee.

Y'all must have some awful managers and office policies that you'd rather just stay home and hammer away on your assignments.

From my perspective the only thing that I would want to be in the office for is training Juniors, that's the only area I think suffers from fully remote. That additional barrier puts them off asking trivial questions and leads them to being stuck longer.

Who cares about talking to my co-workers, I can talk to my wife instead which is infinitely better.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Jasper Tin Neck posted:

That's great. I also get why someone would prefer to work from home as. It's just people saying stuff like this that rubs me the wrong way:

... Because it really isn't. Where you're most productive really depends on your particular set of circumstances.

I'm also worried by how a lot of companies are really excited about the prospect of working from home forever, because it means you don't need to rent office space, provide tech support and can even foist the responsibility of procuring office furniture to workers, like government goon's employer.

You just know that the MBA lizards will soon start asking "if you can work from literally anywhere, why don't we start hiring people in places where they'll work twice the hours for half the pay?"

Counterpoint working from home is unambiguously good for office work.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




jimmyjams posted:

in the 1870s, right after emancipation. were there any ex-slaves that went around talking about how they miss being in the fields and how it's so hard to get work done without the overseers around to crack their whips

I'm pretty sure we shouldn't be comparing working an office job to slavery.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




toplitzin posted:

Yup.

If I listed my address as with family in a different city but same state with mail forwarding/picking it up occasionally I'd see no change to my pay. As is, I got scaled -15% and functionally lost about five years of raises.

What the gently caress is this about? If you move house now do the rerate you or is that you just hosed? Like 15% pay cut surely means you're walking now?

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




MrQwerty posted:

Then after he tells me that, my supe tells me they changed the handbook policy so they can update it whenever they want when we signed paperwork to get raises without reviews this year (we're getting laid off in like oct-nov), so now the policy is you can't take no pay and they automatically steal 8 hours of PTO from you if they call you off.

Unless you live in an absolutely crackpot country this doesn't fly. Anything which is a material change to your working conditions when you signed your contract requires a new contract for you to agree to. Doesn't matter that it's in the handbook and not specifically in your contract.

I'm not sure where this idea came from, having a contract that says you must follow the employee handbook and then thinking that means they can change your terms by simply editing the handbook.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




MagusofStars posted:

The poster said they work in Albuquerque in the US. Here, most employees don’t have contracts. And the Employee Handbook typically includes clear language that the policies within are subject to change at any point, without advance notice, by the company’s sole discretion, etc. So yes they can absolutely change stuff on a whim simply by changing some text in the electronic handbook.

The gently caress? In the UK everyone has a contract with their employer. Doesn't have to be written down but it does notionally exist. If your employer doesn't give you a contract it's terms are implied. You can do the handbook thing but you can just ignore it if it causes a material change to your conditions unless they get you to sign a new one.

What an odd place Albuquerque is.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Sanctum posted:

This is a valid criticism and I got see why when I left that position. I was working around the problem in a way I felt was fair by automatically approving overtime for anyone that wanted to come in early or stay late. On slow days management wanted me to send people working overtime home - leaving me with a skeleton crew. I would cite the union contract which specifies how many people I should have and tell management there's no way I'm sending anyone home. The guys deserved those easy days.

The supervisor who took over after me did not give one flying gently caress. :toot: Dude was awesome. He let that operation fall to pieces. Every time upper management came over to yell at him he'd shrug and say he's understaffed. Can't blame the supervisor for those delays when he is understaffed after all. After months of major issues, the company tripled the staff. But management dragged their feet too long before making changes, so the operation lost half their business to another company by the time they'd finally fixed staffing. Did letting things turn to poo poo and causing the company to lose business improve their working conditions? Yes, absolutely.

Don't be shy about letting your company crash and burn. The best way to fight a bad policy is not to work around it.

This is the reason I tell everyone on my team to never work overtime and if they work late one day then take the time back. Routine overtime crushes teams and is just unsustainable in the long term.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




goatface posted:

"We have a really short amount of time left, we have lots of questions from the floor so we will need to keep these short"
*First questioner proceeds to ramble for 5 minutes to say how everything to company is doing is great and big thanks to the management*

Fix it for you.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Thomamelas posted:

It's kind of still a thing in my industry. But it's limited to the big trade show which is always held in Vegas. You can not truly understand cringe until the grandmotherly finance lady explains to you how to get and expense cash for a strip club. Hands down it was the most uncomfortable meeting I've ever been in. Including a meeting when I was asked for a bribe.

Everyone in our company has to take anti-bribery and corruption training which is all multiple choice.

Someone offers you a bribe, do you

a) take the bribe
b) INFORM COMPLIANCE IMMEDIATELY
c) ask your manager if you think you should take the bribe.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




SubnormalityStairs posted:

alternatively, I like heavy metal music and anime, that's what you wanted to hear about right???

Sure why not? First thing to check in any interview, has the candidate read thier own CV, lots haven't. Then, is what they wrote total bullshit. You wouldn't be at the interview if what's on you CV wasn't enough to get the job. So in essence the interview is only to show up reasons you should not get the job, not show why you should get it. I. E. Liking Anime too much.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




The IPA trend was pretty jarring here. There are 2 beer styles synonymous with my town and specific breweries , IPA and 80/-. To the point where you ordered an IPA you got a Deuchers IPA, what else could you possibly want? Now there are hundreds of IPAs and it's hard to buy the superior 80/- now.

In terms of dumb poo poo my work does. They decided to change payroll providers which is fine no big deal. Except the old payroll provider handled financial advice for employees and you got a discount rate from them. So people have appointments booked but no idea if they are going to get the good rates, or what the gently caress is happening generally.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




goatsestretchgoals posted:

…these are text fields aren’t they?

They are now.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Fork of Unknown Origins posted:

Our manager sends out about a dozen pictures of anything he sees in the plant that he doesn’t like every day. My boss puts them into powerpoint (…) so he can keep track of fixing them. After a few weeks he called me over because the spreadsheet was taking too long to open.

The pictures were all sent at full size and put in the presentation at full size. The thing was rapidly closing in on a gig. I showed him how to compress the pictures but he doesn’t understand it so every Monday I go into the presentation and do that.

He needs to get himself some JIRA in his life if he actually wants to track it.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




This isn't Dumb poo poo my work does but rather a dumb poo poo at my work.

We were opening an office so folk from other offices went along for a management meeting /office opening. There was a party afterwards and later we went to a pub, good times all round. I ended up taking to a guy who paid for himself to be at these meetings as 'he wanted to be in the room' so he already marked himself out as an idiot. But then he described his bosses boss (she's the head of her division, everyone knows who she is) as "the hot Asian lady". I just packed him off home in a taxi because jesus I hope he was just drunk.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Scientastic posted:

Naaaaaaaaaaaah

I refuse to believe this

I know you might think this is what he said, but you must have misheard

Oh no I know his trip wasn't paid for by the company. He wasn't authorised to use company uber, paid for his own hotel and travel. Just a tremendous dipshit all round. Over the 2 days there were maybe 4 sessions he could drop into and everything else was individual meetings to discuss OKRs etc so I don't knowwhat he did for 2 days.

Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




CarForumPoster posted:

This is amazing. How can someone stomach posting this?

Narrator: It wasn’t

Because people are really dumb, in my story he paid for his own trip and described his bosses boss as a 'hot Asian lady' to her peers (she was also there but didn't hear) and thought he was furthering his career.

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Aramoro
Jun 1, 2012




Shugojin posted:

they want initiative (to do more work) and passion (to stay late and do more work) (so they get more work done without paying people more)

This poo poo is so toxic. Everytime we hire someone they want to show how dedicated they are and work long hours. I just want to see what they can do in 37.5 hours a week. You don't owe the company anything over the hours we pay you for.

My current thought on how to get folk to commit to less work is to plan the sprint then get them to remove the lowest priority 20% of the tickets.

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