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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
christ is it feb already

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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Jose posted:

whats the best place to buy a sim free phone these days?

first hand or second, and do you have a specific model or pricepoint in mind

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
more than i expected, i'll admit

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

a pipe smoking dog posted:

I'm registered with a GP near my office and I don't want to update it because it's convenient for work.

Not that I've probably been to the GP in the last 5 years. I assume they still have me on the books because I'll occasionally get a text updating me on the level of service they provide given covid.

i didn't think it was compulsory or anything, i never changed it when i moved, and i know tons of uni students who did the same

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
you use too much heating in conjunction with too good insulation, probably electric heating, in your home. it's dropping the UK's natural humidity levels below the point they prevent static discharge - i used to get shocks constantly in canada and never do here. a humidifier would solve your problems, although it might introduce new ones.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
honestly he's performed about as i expected - his role is to act as ablative armour for all the unpopular things the labour right thinks are necessary, for the next candidate to be the compromise/unity offering.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
it's super regionalized - in the US and Canada it quite literally is considered as offensive as a racial slur to some people - certainly as taboo in polite society. if you called someone at work a "bitch" in a work enviroment HR would likely get involved, if you called someone a "oval office" you're probably looking at a pink slip.

it's just one of those language things - words have different contexts. i would guess with the continuation of NA internet hegemony this consensus will likely spread but who's to say.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
but like, and this is more Discoursey, you get into some really sticky questions quite quickly- if there are two groups of people, and a term or behaviour is deeply offensive to one group but not the other is that a meaningful distinction - does the first group have an obligation to meet the social expectations of the second? can a specific usage and context be divorced from unfortunate baggage in this way, and if we say it can't does that have implications as regards cultural imperialism? is it ethical for the offended group to demand or even support another adopt their standard in this way?

complicated questions with non-obvious solutions

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
it's complicated! language is complicated, culture is complicated. i don't think there is one easy solution to it and i probably would politely critique many of the solutions posted if they were applied generally were i interested in getting into this topic (which i for sure am not (lol)). i think everyone has to draw their own line as to how they express themselves and am generally sceptical of attempts to police the language of other people, within reason.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
honestly in my experience it's how you deliver your swear - those conjunction swears all suck rear end but you can get a lot out of simple repetition eg "you loving gently caress" "gently caress you, you gently caress" "loving blow me, fucker" etc

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
fuckin freezing. snowing, not sticking mind.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
i can't imagine what would possibly motivate frankie boyle - a leftist - to repeatedly reiterate and spread the anti-semitism smears. just doesn't make any sense - where would a leftist and clearly leftist political supporting person uncritically and repeatedly parrot a far right talking point - just, a mystery - why where could he have possibly gone awry? it's escaping me at the moment where his programs were filmed - newcastle maybe, somewhere in the north for sure - i mean where would frankie boyle find people willing to repeat and laugh at such an ugly, false narrative - i tell you, it just stumps me.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
also, i'm sorry but it's very revisionist to paint him as being reluctant in doing this:



i have an alternate solution to why he and david baddiel appear to be friends, it's because they're actually friends, and rely on each other's talent and status to advance as every comedian and performer has - the same greasy pole that every other shite comedian climbs. when baddiel wanted a platform to spread this stuff boyle provided, gladly.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

forkboy84 posted:

Coolcab is on one about perfidious Scots again I see.

my dude, they had a different win condition. i do not need to contort backwards to wonder why frankie boyle attacked jeremy corbyn, any more than i need to contort to understand why nicola does. political parties are in opposition to one another and have differing objectives and are supposed to agitate against one another - that we look back at that period and omit one of them or pretend that, well actually he was clearly conflicted and so forth is curious.

i had this exact same reaction to jack just this year - i am utterly comfortable observing that, hey, when it mattered, we had differing ideological conclusions and - as such we are not political allies, except in the most superficial or convenient senses. nothing against jack or frankie, that's just how it went. i really do not understand this motivation to pretend otherwise, except in that it is self-serving for the liberal commentariat and as such a million variations will continue to be pitched for the next X years how they didn't, actually, lose their collective minds for a few years and in fact i was always with you comrades.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Gonzo McFee posted:

lol got my ballot for Scottish Labour leader despite having not paid since Starmer became leader.

i still get friggin emails from my CLP despite stopping payment the day they booted corbyn. i've had a full "oh pweeeeeese come back!" style letters too, so it's puzzling.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Mebh posted:

See, I just drink gin.

eh, pricey and i don't just mean in pounds stirling. be careful.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
aye, plus if you're retiring at 52 you have the ability to change your mind and work another decade if poo poo goes south quick

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Borrovan posted:

I've got a :tinfoil:-theory that the supermarkets have been steadily pushing costs up for the last year so they've got a Brexit-buffer & people don't kick off, seems like every time I go shopping the price is way more than I'm expecting

promotions have also grown slightly more rare in my observation, like the whole "tesco clubcard price" promotion. that's a promotion that excludes some significant fraction of your consumer base (why they've been so hesitant to push it to date) who aren't in the clubcard, or don't have it on them when they pop into tescos or w/e.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
but honestly i attribute that more to the pound being in the toilet rather than anything more recently brexit related tbh

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

xtothez posted:

Yeah pretty much as soon as the pandemic started & any kind of food shopping became a massive chore, supermarkets scrapped lots of their offers and discounts. Hard to have any competition when the shelves are empty, all the home delivery slots booked for the next month, and walking across the road to check prices in Tesco required an hour in a queue.

suppose that makes the tesco clubcard example specifically more logical, too. clubcard prices allow them to slash some loss leader prices so you can advertise it on that sticker price to incentivize people to come to your store, knowing they'll not be going to aldi or w/e to get all the indistinguishable stuff.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Jel Shaker posted:

the ones i saw in winter actually sold cakes for some insane reason

aye, i figured they were selling hot chocolate or something. really they're just food trucks who can provide a specialized service in the summer.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
don't narc

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
yeah informing to the police is definitely too much curtain twitching - for sure better is a managed level of curtain twitching where you try and speak to this member of emergency services manager to get him sacked based on vague understandings derived entirely second hand from social media posting. this is proportionate, sensible and wildly consistent with our political ideals.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I mean ideally the manager would investigate rather than just going 'oh poo poo, someone complained, lets fire him.'

Ideally.

No, wait, everyone in this hell country is a reactive oval office.

I dunno. 'Let a guy in direct contact with vulnerable people continue to be negligent and put them at risk' does not seem to be sending solidarity in the right direction.

you are writing yourself justifications for your culturally conditioned impulses. the issues of this pandemic will not be resolved by persecuting individuals but instead by systemic action - we imagine to ourselves that it's all bad actors when it isn't, they represent some tiny froth contrasted with the tsunami of bad policy. and part of that bad policy is encouraging people to narc and encourage excessive, punitive punishments for breaking a set of rules that do not work, to push the collective guilt away from collective failings and our justifiable rage at the failings of our leadership onto a lovely useful scapegoat.

we each have a little policeman in our heads and that wasn't an accident. engaging with him will make nothing better in this context.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Guavanaut posted:

Only fist your doctor, trusts will never help you.

lmao

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Mugsbaloney posted:

"Solidarity, comrade" i think to myself at the funeral of my elderly relatives who got covid from the headset prick, "i have destroyed the policeman in my head".

is this a principle you apply more broadly or are you also just expressing your cultural anxieties, i wonder? clearly it's life or death that he uses his - entirely guesswork assessment that this person represents an imminent threat of harm.

i tell you what - how about you get yourself a cricket bat go down there and sort him out yourself - why do you need to involve anyone else? you have a clear ethical justification for your action, apparently.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
quite often when i see someone who's forgotten their mask or standing too close to each other or or i infer based on extremely solid anecdotal conjecture that they're clearly breaking the law - i know, intimately, that they are personally responsible for any number of deaths, which explains and justifies the bodies beneath the floorboards, officer.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Mugsbaloney posted:

dont need a cricket bat, i'm strong as gently caress mate

i mean it might make you feel that way when you're narcing but, idk i feel like that sensation isn't worth the consequences, you know?

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Mugsbaloney posted:

yes yes if i disagree with you and think as an icu person he does indeed potentially have the ability to infect a large number of people, that is the same thing as planning to do him a hecking killo.

it's your ethical responsibility to narc, of course! i hadn't thought of it that way.

quote:

Im sure this isn't the first time you've heard this but that avatar makes it extremely easy to argue with you in bad faith

and why i treasure it

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Breakfast All Day posted:

So if someone asks me to put on a mask and I call the police on them because wanting me to wear a mask is the same thing as killing me does that make me a narc?

could you maybe construct this in a way that's coherent at all?

e: that's a bit flip - could you structure your objection in a sensible way? which is to say, if it is your intention to waste police time and energy with then we have a radically different conversation.

CoolCab fucked around with this message at 18:06 on Feb 11, 2021

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Mugsbaloney posted:

VR typhoid mary continues to cut a swathe through the population, my neck is straining to hold the weight of the halo that magically appeared when i first decided not to turn him in (it is a halo made of dense metal attached to my neck by a rod) (actually no its a sign that says worlds dumbest idiot)

we have gone from "i heard he may have had visitors over and may be planning a holiday he shouldn't" - to typhoid mary. it's amazing how quickly offences multiply when you narc, huh.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
but this is how this entire pandemic is structured, isn't it? it's typhoid mary, it's all the fault of individuals and yet somehow never the responsibility of an individual - it's all of our faults for not narcing hard enough, or the fault of those ignorant proles who come into work even though they're sick.

the inverse is of course never examined - that this individual is putting themselves at enormous risk because they are administering aid to the sick in the middle of a loving plauge is irrelevant - it doesn't matter that he most likely spent the past year quite literally putting his own life on the line for you, just that he's failing to conform to policy that we all know does not work. it's more important to get an ICU worker out of the ICU because at some point in future he might, catch coronavirus (again) and spread it on and potentially harm someone, than the harm he has to prevent every time he comes into work.

it's definitely a reasonable thing to say to our NHS staff that we clap for you as hard as you can, so long as you don't socialize for a year straight - so long as you accept that you are now a secondclass citizen for your service, and your friends will literally contact your boss or the police whenever you step out of line. for someone who did work in the NHS during the pandemic that makes me feel extremely well supported and appreciated, let me tell you.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Strom Cuzewon posted:

If you were an NHS employee and observed this behaviour in a colleauge you'd be pretty much obligated to narc, right? Probably after giving him a serious talking to telling him to get his act together.

if you're asking what i personally did in my role, it never came up - i gave lots of people good advice, lead by example and generally understood that my non-patient facing role that i could do from home made me VERY privileged. compared to the staff who were asked to put their entire lives on hold, indefinitely, and judged infinitely more harshly than anyone in any other profession.

but, then i was a trade unionist - i would need extremely compelling, imminent danger for me to report someone to management who came to me in a professional context. in a personal context i can say without hesitation - if i knew someone was breaking quarantine i would call them a loving moron, and have, but it would take an EXTRAORDINARY breach for me to involve the cops or their boss. jesus christ.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Dabir posted:

How dare you get angry at this waiter for spending his lunch hour gorging on an enormous bag of peanuts and not washing his hands afterwards, contaminating every dish he serves and potentially killing any number of people with nut allergies? Don't you know he has a hard job? It is the system to blame somehow.

fortunately, wait staff is a profession where you save human beings routinely, the lack of wait staff is killing thousands right now and also all waiters sign up to be isolated from their friends and families, often indefinitely and without prior consent for a year or more. wait staff further of course also endanger themselves by serving people who have extremely contagious disease constantly or exclusively (lol that i had to add "constantly"). otherwise that would be a pretty shite comparison, huh?

NotJustANumber99 posted:

Why? I thought you said the rules didn't work and were bullshit?

the rules don't work, and are bullshit, and i still follow them - and engage in more strenuous measures and have since April, too. I have no desire to get sick, nor for my family to get sick. there is a colossal loving gap between that and narcing on someone based on a fuckin anecdote.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
it ain't a coincidence that NHS workers are leaving in droves, let me tell you.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Dabir posted:

yeah it's an imperfect analogy, a better one might be an idiot doctor inviting all his friends around to his house to cough on a thing he wears on his face, infecting him with a horrible disease he can then spread to all his patients

also, i am assuming from this conversation that you also have not been to a pub, or to get your hair cut, left your hometown or had anyone in your home or been in anyone else's home for the past year. because otherwise it sort of seems like you expect NHS workers to accept uncritically and without the slightest rebellion that they have less rights and privileges than you do because of their profession, that because they are the frontline against this pandemic they deserve less than you do.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I dunno why it would seem like that when no one here has suggested that at all.

oh yes, i'm sure his NHS status was brought up as a pure coinky-dink and this individual - the only person we're talking about narcing on is the only person we collectively all know who is breaking the rules.

horseshit it is - same poo poo that lead to that loving clap, because what they're doing is Heroic they're heroes - we're so appreciative that you decided to martyr yourselves for us, you decided, yes you did, here we'll be EFFUSIVE in our praise - can't believe you ingrates don't appreciate it.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
nhs workers are neither loving mother teresa, nor superman nor robots. we are human beings and we make mistakes good loving god none of us signed up for this, i assure you when i was signing up my band 2 contract there was nothing in there about putting myself in mortal danger for 16 grand a loving year. give me a break.

e:

Scikar posted:


e: Also CoolCab, I know there are some issues that you really feel strongly about and you're arguing in good faith, but launching straight in with an extreme strawman from the get-go is just unnecessary aggro for all sides of the argument.

yeah i get a little protective about the workers who are keeping our country from being a mass funeral pyre, i'm funny that way.

CoolCab fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Feb 11, 2021

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Tarnop posted:

CoolCab, I agree with you that shopping this guy to managers/police/GMC is a terrible idea. What I can't glean from your posting is whether you think NHS workers should be following lockdown/tier/whatever rules we've got at the moment.

obviously they should, i'm just apparently marginally more forgiving when they fail. i find the idea of shopping the dude to a cop or a manager adequately offensive that it's coming out in my posts.

quote:

You've said that not socialising would make them second class citizens, but no one following the rules is socialising at the moment.
no i am being very specific and i apologize if it wasn't clear - i am saying that the conditions of the pandemic do impose restrictions on everyone, by necessity, but that NHS workers have needed to make many more sacrifices over this pandemic in every possible sense - both in terms of time and how we were/are literally being sacrificed. i had to do the booking for BAME doctors and nurses in hotels so they could stay away from their families for "the duration of the pandemic", at the time thought of as months - some of them are still there!

unsurprisingly, being human, some people will react to that negatively and will fail - but when we fail we are evidently treated very differently. i quantifiably assure you that if i scrolled through any one of our facebook feeds i'd find dozens of violations since christmas and i doubt very much anyone is reporting them.


quote:

You said the rules don't work (agreed, our lockdowns have been shambolic) but while you are following stricter rules yourself you seem to be arguing on behalf of someone who has said gently caress it the rules don't work so I'm having a load of mates over.

Just to be clear, because you're understandably worked up about this, I agree with the parts of your argument that I understand but I'm not understanding all of it.

again i am not defending the person's behaviour, i simply understand it, put it context and vehemently repudiate any motherfucker with a haircut who thinks they've done much better -he's an idiot, his friends who came round are even bigger idiots but i will drat sure stand by that idiot before i stood by the kind of hypocrite who thinks narcing is going to help.

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CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Dabir posted:

you are pretty much correct. I've had my hair cut once, the guy was wearing a surgical shield and I had my own mask on until it made it impossible to trim around my ears

did you explain that to the virus? that, if your ears were untidy it would be a problem, and as such it needed to hold tight and not transfer while you removed it? how did it respond?

and i'm sorry "pretty much" is unclear - let me ask again. since this time last year, you've not been in someone else's home? or broken the rules in any way?

Scikar posted:

Just remember that overreacting to the slightest criticism and citing exceptional circumstances are the same tactics the police use

both orange juice and lava are orange and yet i'd only drink the one of them, it's crazy.

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