[Modern History] Guns Condoms and Electricity

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

mycomancy posted:

Oh no wonder Stalin is so maligned in modern discourse. He actually DID something about fascists and refuse to platform them.

https://twitter.com/roun_sa_ville/status/1393284273088651266

# ¿ May 27, 2021 18:55

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 11:45

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/ymatusik/status/1457850538566029315

# ¿ Nov 10, 2021 03:49

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

FizFashizzle posted:

i think mike duncan is fine as a layman's historian who makes a podcast that i can listen to while i sit on a rower for 30 minutes at 530 in the morning. at the very least he's better than dan carlin.

his writing is dreadful, however. his style really doesn't translate to book form

dan carlin's hard r history

# ¿ Feb 20, 2022 18:55

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

my dad posted:

I've had goons quote Sleepwalkers at me in a "Serbs had the genocide coming" way. Which generally shapes how I think of that book. Haven't read it.

Half of what i've read about Yugoslavia has a pretty obvious anti serb bias.

# ¿ Mar 6, 2022 17:21

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

my dad posted:

A bit late on this, but outside of xenophobic inertia of the propaganda campaigns in the past decades, it's generally less anti-Serb bias, and more just generally being completely off the mark about a bunch of stuff. Years ago while I still posted in the military history threads, I brought up bunch of straight up invented poo poo that gets passed on everywhere because it's rarely challenged and confirms preexisting beliefs.

A historical tidbit: Judah Alkalai was an influential proto-Zionist thinker, and a lot of his writing about what he imagined future Israel should be was based off of what he perceived liberal revolutionary Serbia to be. It went on to influence how a lot of other people in Austria etc perceived Serbia... Here's the problem: He was full of poo poo and was basically writing utopian (from a nationalist point of view) fanfics that had little to do with the actually existing Serbia at the time.

Like, something about 19th century Serbia broke a lot of brains in Europe, and we're still reading words that were written using leaking brain goo instead of ink as history. And then people writing later histories went on to quote that, extrapolated unrelated things to Yugoslavia, and round and round we go.

That doesn't sound too shocking, most of what I found was from western journalists who visited after the war. Do you have any books or articles you'd recommend about Yugoslavia?

# ¿ Mar 9, 2022 22:04

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Demon_Corsair posted:

Can anyone recommend a good history of the Korean War? I just started listening to the when diplomacy fails podcast and... Yikes.

It starts off by talking about drat crazy the north Koreans are making nukes in the 21st century.

Then we get into the cold war primer about how Stalin was too paranoid and made a terrible mistake by not accepting the Marshall plan. Naturally this plan was in good faith and with no strings attached.

I had no idea that the Marshall plan was even offered to the soviets, does anyone know why they turned it down?

E: the Korean War was apparently mostly Stalins fault because he wanted China to fight the us. Hovever the host graciously allows thay the US was also looking to benefit from the conflict before it started..

Not sure if you got the answers you wanted but i'd recommend 2 books:

The Korean War - Bruce Cumings
The US Imperialists Started the Korean War

# ¿ Jun 25, 2022 02:42

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Cumings has a lot of good stuff out there about the Korean War and the DPRK in general. I don't recall if he's a marxist, but he's extremely symptomatic to the plight of the North Korean peoples.

# ¿ Jun 25, 2022 02:49

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Dameius posted:

Sympathetic auto correct/predict?

Yep owned by phone posting.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2022 17:54

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Southpaugh posted:

yeah starting to think we should have one history thread - means we might get more history to read for those of us who like to read history posts about history. I don't mean historical posts. I mean posts ABOUT history.

Just make the thread OP.

# ¿ Jun 27, 2022 16:57

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Here you go I made one for you

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4005708

# ¿ Jun 27, 2022 17:00

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Cross posting to this thread as you all might also know.

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Were there any plans discussed for the subcontinent's partition outside of those discussed between the british and the ultras?

What would a more democratic version of this partition look like? Would it have even happened?

# ¿ Jul 6, 2022 15:10

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/War_Takes/status/1543603875231502339?t=MxwxGf3TPrnFezxpEHL_TQ&s=19

RWN's series on the civil war has really made me realize how revisionist the history I was taught in school was.

# ¿ Jul 6, 2022 15:10

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

what if we create a system of government for just the fellas

# ¿ Jul 7, 2022 16:36

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Dustcat posted:

there was that group of swedish nazi bodybuilders who wanted to start a male ethnostate in the woods but i dunno if that's still on

riff it out

# ¿ Jul 7, 2022 18:15

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Collapse: The Fall of the Soviet Union by Vladislav Zubok is a good summary of the fall of the USSR. It's written by a member of the soviet intelligentsia so it will appeal to your nontankie sensibilities.

I'd also recommend Blood Lies by Grover Furr for a good summary of the USSR under Stalin.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2022 21:19

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

# ¿ Jul 7, 2022 21:21

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

It's not directly about the USSR but I think that Parenti's Blackshirts and Reds is a good introduction to the subject of the USSR especially in literature.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2022 21:49

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/TayyanEl/status/1552034172335710216

The stuff that the French did to the Algerians is genuinely horrifying.

# ¿ Aug 9, 2022 22:12

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Is there a good book about the Soviet war in Afghanistan? How popular were the Mujahedin?

# ¿ Aug 9, 2022 22:16

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

V. Illych L. posted:

this picture does not look like what he's talking about

those poles are very thin and if these are prisoners they're very poorly secured or trussed up in a frankly inexplicable way. the picture looks more like dummies to me

They�re dummies, if you look at the comments people link to some sources.

# ¿ Aug 10, 2022 01:26

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

gradenko_2000 posted:

Try Gregory Feifer's "The Great Gamble"

Sounds good, I will check it out. I saw somewhere else people were recommending Zincy Boys. Have any of you read it? If so how does it hold up?

From a cursory glance it just looks like it describes soviet dysfunction throughout the war.

# ¿ Aug 10, 2022 19:56

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

A lot of ex nazis/nazi adjacent people also escaped to Africa. A bunch of ex ustase type people fought for the FLN during the Algerian civil war.

# ¿ Aug 21, 2022 17:33

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Been reading about the Sikh empire, and the types of Europeans that went to fight for them are absolutely wild. Like this guy was an Italian Jew who fought for Napoleon, served the Shah, and then finally came to serve the Sikhs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Baptiste_Ventura

# ¿ Sep 24, 2022 02:07

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

There were a few other people like him. Quirked up white boys going to the orient to join the sikhs is very funny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Gardner_(soldier)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josiah_Harlan

# ¿ Sep 24, 2022 02:21

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

my dad posted:

The ones I do remember are relatively recent in comparison:
Flora Sandes, who is probably the sanest of the bunch (probably due to not actually being a weirdo war tourist adventurer for the most part), she was deployed here as a nurse during WW1 and joined the army of Serbia as a combatant at the request of a Serbian commander.

What the hell, she was a hardcore royalist, she also married an officer of the whites.

# ¿ Sep 24, 2022 16:44

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

We have 15 military bases in South Korea. lol

# ¿ Mar 7, 2023 04:51

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Can recommend me a good biography of Simon Bolivar?

# ¿ Mar 10, 2023 03:24

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Are there any charts out there about populations before and after the partition of countries like Yugoslavia, or the USSR?

Looking for stuff like this

# ¿ Jun 29, 2023 18:00

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

in "Cuisine, Colonialism and Cold War: Food in Twentieth-Century Korea" there is a chapter about how japanese occupation completely changing how soy sauce was produced and sold in korea. are there any other examples of this? i know that a lot of places in south east asia got introduced to american mass meats during/after ww2

heres a video of the traditional process

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAiG1kATPeo

# ¿ Apr 30, 2024 15:30

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Some Guy TT posted:

im a little surprised you know that southeast asia got introduced to american mass meats but not south korea i was always under the impression that south korea was the most dramatic case of this because spam was effectively the only meat available in the country for so long it became a distinct delicacy thats the presumed key ingredient for military stew (budae jjigae) which is a major dish in the korean food canon at this point even if they obviously dont have it in north korea

i think the story baout budae jjigae isnt a story about spam, its a story about how people in south korea had to buy food from american military bases because there was nothing else around which is why that dish contains a mishmash of things: miniature hot dogs, american cheese, spam, and whatever korean stuff people had on hand: noodles, tofu, rice cakes, rice

# ¿ Apr 30, 2024 16:01

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Some Guy TT posted:

hm. you know i imagine ive seen budae jjigae with all of those ingredients at some point or another but the only one thats always been in it every single time has been spam. i think the sort of mishash whatever random old thing we have on hand kind of food culture in south korea youre describing is better expressed with side dishes or banchan where the traditional form of that differs substantially from the modern version in terms of pairing

you should uh ask me in a week or two to explain what i mean by that because im not done translating the korean food comic that explains what those differences actually are yet

what

# ¿ Apr 30, 2024 16:19

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

what

# ¿ Apr 30, 2024 16:56

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

StashAugustine posted:

I've always liked the story that Scotch eggs were invented by the Mughals

technically it was invented by the hindus in 200 bc and stolen by the muslims

# ¿ Apr 30, 2024 18:21

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Tankbuster posted:

also eggs are tamasic and bad.

please stop teaching indian words to white people

# ¿ May 1, 2024 22:39

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Joe Chip posted:

Any book recommendations for a history of the Korean War? I've been trying to listen to Blowback S3 but I have a hard time retaining information from podcasts. I checked their sources list and it's extensive but I only really have time for 1 or 2 books.

bruce cummings book on the korean war is probably the bible on the conflict

# ¿ May 8, 2024 19:26

AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

Mr. Sharps posted:

lol at asking anybody under 30 to come up with an original idea

stewie griffin politics

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AnimeIsTrash: Jun 30, 2018

giving up a dictatorship of the proletariat for adolf hitler politics

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