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I was 16 during 9/11 and it really was awesome that the anatomy and physiology test i was going to fail got cancelled because the first tower fell exactly as I walked into the 3rd period
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Egg Moron posted:i think there is a chance that 9/11 and its aftermath in addition to the uptick in mass deprivation since the 08 crisis have made the system more resilient to absorbing COVID without losing much momentum  you know you may actually be onto something there
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lmao i didn't know about that one since i didn't get into the coup until much later. i was glad to find out boots is still GOAT and it was a label decision quote:Riley said the cover design, completed in June, was "supposed to be a metaphor for the capitalist state being destroyed through the music."
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Bro Dad posted:rip allende
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FormaldehydeSon posted:what happened on november 9? trump
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I'm not sure if covid is bigger than 9/11, because the worst poo poo that covid brought us because the response to covid by a large chunk of the nation was influenced by 9/11. Basically covid is a big 9/11 class blow to the American psyche but a lot of the cracks that it exposed were either created or exacerbated by 9/11 But then again, covid came far closer to outright collapsing the United States govt than Bin Laden ever did.
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I was 19 when 9/11 happened and I was driving to my university, heard it on the radio and was in an elevator as I told this chick I had the hots for about it. Later they canceled all classes. I think I see the day before 9/11 as the last day there was optimism about the future and where man could go but that may be a western notion about it. Part of it is the lack of internet which was just starting up and later the exposure of the injustice that rules the world which came after....part of it is the complicity of media to go along with the crazy and allow it to fester until Trump. Ronald Reagan + Newt Gingrich + Fox News + In a 5-4 decision of Florida is responsible for the headlong sprint into it all but it was all amplified by 9/11 and used as the excuse. Murdoch-Ailes media is responsible for the decline of Australia-UK-US and radicalizing the population into their own living in mountain/boonies conservative religious gun toting fanatics like ISIS. I remember the arguments on these forums with people like FaaQ and Grover and conservatives who were wrong about everything 10 million times over but still argued. It proves conservatism is a bunk and wrong ideology that needs to be eliminated because all it does is harm people and drag the world into the abyss. I remember being with my friends who were conservatives white and not being able argue with them beyond saying "I don't think we should go to war with Iraq unless there is substansive proof of WMDs" because they were gung ho about killing browns (of which I am brown) to "liberate" Iraq. I had to register in the muslim registry despite knowing nothing about Islam, get my bio metrics and fingerprints taken, had constant problems with ICE that my University handled and helped me with (and despite being resident of Ohio I ended up paying 2x my undergrad and graduate tuition requirement because they classified me as a foreign student). It opened my eyes to what America and "The West" is. All the poo poo I was exposed to as a kid going to a school set up by the US and British Embassies in Saudi Arabia as a kid under 10 being propaganda about an idealized image about America vs what the real America was...which we saw under Trump. I feel somewhat sure if Gore was President, the world would have gone a different direction. But Cheney and his crew wanted that oil in Iraq real bad and Conservatives like Scalia doing what was needed to poo poo on the world. Conservatism is utter evil and wrong. Conservatism is also what drives the middle east and Pakistan into the ground as failed states with injustice.
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the memorial is literally two fuckin holes in teh ground lmao
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I was a week into my freshman year at highschool this was the advent of my entire adult life gently caress the world
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Chinatown posted:the memorial is literally two fuckin holes in teh ground the real memorial is all the grift that went into making those two holes
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Too bad it happened on a day so easy to market. You've got the 11 as symbology of the two towers and "Niney-Leven" is more catchy than "Nine Twenty Five".Buck Wildman posted:I was a week into my freshman year at highschool this was the advent of my entire adult life gently caress the world Same but college freshman. Knew things had changed but I didn't know how utterly over the good times were.
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Buck Wildman posted:I was a week into my freshman year at highschool this was the advent of my entire adult life gently caress the world coulda been worse u coulda been all HOORAH USA #1 and enlist in teh army after highschool and then 2 years later get turned to red mist by an IED during the worst days of the iraq war
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Chinatown posted:the memorial is literally two fuckin holes in teh ground owned
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Chinatown posted:the memorial is literally two fuckin holes in teh ground the most vulgar part of it is that it is meant to be this solemn place of reflection, like we resisted the urge to just sell the property to the highest bidder and rebuild loving whatever, but then you realize the insane levels of grift involved and you are like "oh"
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yes we all know that you were a specific age when 9/11 happened and that's very important to your life's narrative
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:yes we all know that you were a specific age when 9/11 happened and that's very important to your life's narrative for about 7 years I didn't know that the buildings fell down afterwards and didn't understand why a few plane crashes were such a big deal
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Feb 3, 2021 02:56
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you in 2008: "wait what does this guy mean the economy is coming down faster than the twin towers...?"
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The Saucer Hovers posted:you in 2008: "wait what does this guy mean the economy is coming down faster than the twin towers...?" for context, I was not yet a teenager in 2008
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animist posted:for context, I was not yet a teenager ah poo poo... do you know junpei?
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mazzi Chart Czar posted:There were people who live in bum-gently caress nowhere, and they were worried about terrorist attacks. Yeah nuts were holding up random busses because they thought they were full of Antifa being shipped in to attack their town - oh, wait.
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a few DRUNK BONERS posted:yes we all know that you were a specific age when 9/11 happened and that's very important to your life's narrative I mean for the vast, vast, VAST majority of the posting cohort here, yes, it was.
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Crunchy Black posted:I mean for the vast, vast, VAST majority of the posting cohort here, yes, it was. congrats, unless you happen to live in afghanistan i don't give a gently caress
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Quetzadilla posted:OP I'm guessing you're fairly young and probably don't have a fully developed personal sense of daily-life pre 9/11 as compared to post. That's not a knock on you or me being patronizing, in many ways pre-9/11 life is basically incomprehensible in retrospect. The short answer is "absolutely, yes, it was probably the single most history-shaping moment of the new millenium for the entire world." Not in and of itself just knocking down a couple buildings and killing 3k, but setting the groundwork for everything that came after. You know about the wars, the 2 million dead & counting, ISIS, the color revolutions, Libya, Syria, Yemen, the proliferation of polio, Uighurs, cocaine, PTSD, ICE, Occupy, Obama, Trump, Biden, Ferguson, George Floyd, the list goes on and on, but you're probably not consciously aware that all of these things are inextricably linked to 9/11 and the project to massively expand the reach and power of the carceral state in reaction to it. Even popular media post-9/11 became extremely jingoistic and fascistic, refocusing from the 90s zeitgeist of rebelling against authority to fighting off invasion/subversion from the other. I like to watch King of the Hill and Daria to get a taste of the 90s zeitgeist but I'm an old and was in HS for 9/11 so the 90s were something i consciously lived through Basically, 9/11 ruined everything
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Chinatown posted:coulda been worse this is exactly what happened to a kid the next cul de sac over from my parents' house
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https://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-911-twin-towers-plan-2015-9quote:Donald Trump thought the plan for the new World Trade Center was 'disgusting' — here's what he wanted to do
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I went near ground zero a couple of years ago. Some guy was selling 8x10s of the towers on fire
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Yeah nuts were holding up random busses because they thought they were full of Antifa being shipped in to attack their town - oh, wait. yeah before 9/11 there was that fear of communism, but it never felt like something that would actually be at their door step. Now the Antifa is coming from inside their house (Zoomers).
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shyduck posted:I went near ground zero a couple of years ago. Some guy was selling 8x10s of the towers on fire that owns.
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What happens on 9/11? You mean this year?
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titty_baby_ posted:My favorite 9/11 consequence is a rambling YouTube comment from years ago where this jaded British raver is talking about how UK garage music was really upbeat and everything was great until 9/11, and then the whole national attitude changed and garage became darker and spawned grime and dubstep. So from this persons point of view 9/11 led to dubstep. lol, but this is probably a correct take. Across the board dnb, house, trance all got darker in the years after. Progressive house in particular just went off the deep end. I'm very interested in how covid will shape the sounds and scenes in years to come.
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Gatts posted:I feel somewhat sure if Gore was President, the world would have gone a different direction. But Cheney and his crew wanted that oil in Iraq real bad and Conservatives like Scalia doing what was needed to poo poo on the world. Conservatism is utter evil and wrong. Conservatism is also what drives the middle east and Pakistan into the ground as failed states with injustice.
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if COVID was taking out twin towers worth of property along with the lives lost every day, America would totally care way more ultimately, it seems, to the average American, it wasn’t the death that was the issue, it was the spectacle, the property damage, and the minor inconveniences to their daily life (ie taking shoes off in the airport)
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Xaris posted:gore was pretty succy but better than billy and was been a drastic divergence point in the timeline for sure. libs letting bush just steal the election was a real lol and focal point of our present hellscape conditions. reminder, bush, not gore, did 9/11. it wouldn't have happened under gore because bush did it. I feel like this is a very important sentiment to reiterate as it ultimately "feels" taboo to a large swath of Americans even if they intrinsically feel or know it. Bush did 9/11. You can argue the amount of personal input or ignorance he had in organizing it or ignoring folks doing it but his Administration definitively and deliberately allowed it to happen for political reasons. Don't argue with anyone who doesn't agree with that because they're not contemplating that administration in good faith.
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Ardennes posted:To follow up: 9/11 really was the first crack to show in the United States' control since the Vietnam War. The Soviet Union had declined, fallen and Russia at that time (2001) was still a basket-case. China was really only starting just starting to really get more industrialized but generally wasn't a major threat. Since 1970s, everything had been going the US' way at that point and in general, the quality of life for most people was actually fairly decent especially coming off the general economic boom of the 1990s. It was a shock. 9/11 is a huge deal but this is not correct. what about the Iranian hostage crisis? that broke so, so many brains I do like the idea that 9/11 partially caught on because the date itself was easy to pronounce and memorable. you never know what little for-want-of-a-nail moments like that are out there
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Chinatown posted:the memorial is literally two fuckin holes in teh ground sadly nobody had the balls to go for this proposal 
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Riot Bimbo posted:MIC won. Security state won. Letter agencies won. Nobody else won. osama bin laden won. osama bin laden won so hard that after 9/11 he retired to watch the us do exactly what he wanted (because he planned it w/ bush/cheney)
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