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as a maturing person who’s trying better to understand my world, these replies have challenged me to reconsider how material actions influence us I agree with an earlier poster about Covid being worse [for Americans] literally in material conditions but the impact of Covid on culture/politics etc seems dwarfed by 9/11’s and that good post early on was spot on that I have only really lived in a post 9/11 world where everything seems hosed I read through all the posts and I really wanna thank the effort posts, because it’s hard for me to see all this. I’ve been convinced since I was a teen that America doesn’t really want to let you have a private life unless you’re rich, but that idea of a surveillance state I’ve been growing up in wasn’t there pre-9/11 idk, it’s all hosed to the other posters, lol that big dog shirt is so good
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fabergay egg posted:osama bin laden won. osama bin laden won so hard that after 9/11 he retired to watch the us do exactly what he wanted (because he planned it w/ bush/cheney) 
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N. Senada posted:but the impact of Covid on culture/politics etc seems dwarfed by 9/11’s
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titty_baby_ posted:My favorite 9/11 consequence is a rambling YouTube comment from years ago where this jaded British raver is talking about how UK garage music was really upbeat and everything was great until 9/11, and then the whole national attitude changed and garage became darker and spawned grime and dubstep. So from this persons point of view 9/11 led to dubstep. lol
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Farm Frenzy posted:9/11? big deal! (said sarcastically) 9/11? No! Big deal but it’s the Lionel Hutz card
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the 90s were a time of incredible complacency on the part of the American ruling class they'd won the Cold War, plundered Russia, and brought most of the former Soviet bloc under their influence they'd largely uprooted progressivism on the domestic front, with the Reagan and Gingrich realignments hurling both parties significantly to the right and collapsing the New Deal Coalition it was the apex of the American Empire. they had nothing to fear. they ruled the world, and no one could threaten them. no matter what foreign meddling they got up to in the name of imperialism, there was no longer any risk of backlash. their towers of wealth and commerce, the fruits of globalization that were spreading their seeds across the entire world except a few petty and insignificant holdouts, were invincible and inviolable. they sang that it was the End of History, the cultural and technological victory of the best ideology that had ever existed and would ever exist: American capitalism. and that utter comfort and security on the part of the ruling class trickled down to the suburban whites that had long been their footsoldiers. there was no longer any real enemy left to fight. or so they thought 9/11 shattered that illusion in a big way. it showed that even with the Cold War over, the US could still face consequences and backlash against imperialism and globalization. and that backlash didn't just hit poor people who'd been tricked into being soldiers - it hit at the World Trade Center, a massive monument to free trade built in the Financial District of Manhattan. the planes crashed directly into the offices of banks and insurance services companies. the American ruling class had lived in terror of communists for decades, and they had never managed to strike at the sanctuaries of the capitalist class the way a handful of dudes armed with boxcutters had just done this is why 9/11 was a Big Deal for America in the way that COVID never seemed to be. it was never about the death count, it was about who died and where. it was a knife aimed right at the heart of the banking class. even if OBL wasn't a socialist and didn't give a gently caress about the plight of the American lower classes, he knew exactly which groups the American system really cared about and aimed right for them. the US response to 9/11 made a big point of erasing the class dimension and pretending it was solely about the number of dead, right from the start, but if bin Laden had killed 3,000 black food service workers it wouldn't have been treated as a national tragedy the same way. in fact, I'd argue that it's precisely because ordinary Americans weren't the real target that the US response went to such lengths to play up the idea that everywhere in the country was a potential terrorist target
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I personally thought 9/11 was nbd but people with zero connection to it were so psychically horrified by it that I had to pretend to give a poo poo. FDNY, NYPD poo poo everywhere, like when did you ever give a gently caress about the nyc fire department before now?? Now that we have daily 9/11s from coronavirus I feel completely vindicated, because now it feels the opposite, like I’m the only one who cares, everyone else gets to take a break from overreacting. it “rules”
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Aglet56 posted:9/11 is a huge deal but this is not correct. what about the Iranian hostage crisis? that broke so, so many brains I do think that the Iranian hostage crisis is one of the root causes that caused boomers to go so batshit insane. To the point where they elected Reagan, backed Saddam, and got a million people killed by supporting the Iran / Iraq war over it. We still almost go to war with Iran once or twice every year over what happened, even though the hostages were ultimately released with no harm done to them and nobody under 40 gives much of a poo poo about the conflict To tie in with what was posted above I think it was a big shock to boomers for similar reasons to 9/11, in that they couldn't believe some podunk country under our influence somehow overthrew our puppet dictator and took OUR people captive for once. And it wasn't due to Soviet or communist influence either (since the revolution killed just as many if not more commies than western sympathizers), it was something entirely home grown in that country. At least with Vietnam we could blame the second world supporting the Vietcong. Feldegast42 has issued a correction as of 17:15 on Feb 3, 2021 |
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crazy eyes mustafa posted:I personally thought 9/11 was nbd but people with zero connection to it were so psychically horrified by it that I had to pretend to give a poo poo. FDNY, NYPD poo poo everywhere, like when did you ever give a gently caress about the nyc fire department before now?? Now that we have daily 9/11s from coronavirus I feel completely vindicated, because now it feels the opposite, like I’m the only one who cares, everyone else gets to take a break from overreacting. it “rules” the common thread between these two events is that, much like today, we still didnt care about FDNY enough to give them healthcare when they started getting insane cancers and respiratory illnesses from mainlining toxic clouds of fuckin fiberglass asbestos and lead while trying to save people/find corpses in the aftermath lmao
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a tear rolls down my cheek and i perform the crispest salute i can muster as i whisper "thank you for your service" to your open casket where your face is eternally locked in the expression of choking while coughing up a tumor the size of a softball.
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Quetzadilla posted:the common thread between these two events is that, much like today, we still didnt care about FDNY enough to give them healthcare when they started getting insane cancers and respiratory illnesses from mainlining toxic clouds of fuckin fiberglass asbestos and lead while trying to save people/find corpses in the aftermath lmao I know cspam shits on Jon Stewart a lot (and not for bad reasons) but him crusading to get 9/11 first responders healthcare was a legit good
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Feldegast42 posted:I know cspam shits on Jon Stewart a lot (and not for bad reasons) but him crusading to get 9/11 first responders healthcare was a legit good jon stewart turned out a quarter of a million people to make fun of people who think "caring about things" and "doing things" is actually important. also the FDNY needed healthcare for the same loving reason everyone else STILL does and yet mysteriously that was not his crusade. gently caress jon stewart.
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i still vividly remember there being a student in my class i was in who went to the rally to restore sanity and was gushing about it. I asked him what the point was and the answer was something to the extent of 'it was a feeling'
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Homeless Friend posted:i still vividly remember there being a student in my class i was in who went to the rally to restore sanity and was gushing about it. I asked him what the point was and the answer was something to the extent of 'it was a feeling' "You go, I go," I say, referring to traffic but also the eminent reasonableness of bipartisanship.
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 gently caress america for invading iraq gently caress bush gently caress bush gently caress the gwot gently caress bush and gently caress bush ama and i'll asnwer without incriminating myself or getting renditioned to a black site in europe here is a picture of a dude that blew up one of our dudes and we captured him e; how rude of me. i forgot to answer the thread. yes 9/11 ended up being a big loving deal i'm not sure if i am still subject to ucmj due to some recent develops and a bunch of assholes The Alpha Centauri has issued a correction as of 00:15 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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The Alpha Centauri posted:
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jarofpiss posted:is that an american soldier you captured? nope
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gh0stpinballa posted:teehee yeah. listen the trueanon 9/11 episodes if you haven't. it owns
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the 90s were an impossibly naive time. all we wantedto do was be a blue hedgehog collecting rings and running really fast to the right. then on one fateful september morning everythign changed and we could never go back. the hedgehogs became darker, started rollerblading, and firing deagles
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Looming Tower on hulu is a decent mini-series covering some key players and rightly puts a lot of blame on the CIA
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Farm Frenzy posted:the 90s were an impossibly naive time. all we wantedto do was be a blue hedgehog collecting rings and running really fast to the right. then on one fateful september morning everythign changed and we could never go back. the hedgehogs became darker, started rollerblading, and firing deagles without 9/11 sonic never would've hosed a human teenager. it truly put us in the darkest timeline.
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Quetzadilla posted:jon stewart turned out a quarter of a million people to make fun of people who think "caring about things" and "doing things" is actually important. also the FDNY needed healthcare for the same loving reason everyone else STILL does and yet mysteriously that was not his crusade. gently caress jon stewart. 
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Best not to think about the anthrax attacks too much lest you end up on a cia hit list.
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this is a great point and really matches my own experience. I viewed 9/11 as a simple crime against thousands of innocents; perhaps Iraq and Afghanistan weren't actually responsible, but whoever actually did it, they just hated america and wanted to kill as many Americans as possible, and the towers were just large, vulnerable targets. but as the 2000s wore on, the true extent of what the WTC was up to became more clear. in that way, 9/11 matches the structure of a film noir: a brutal crime exposes the seedy underbelly of a seemingly perfect facade
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Aglet56 posted:this is a great point and really matches my own experience. I viewed 9/11 as a simple crime against thousands of innocents; perhaps Iraq and Afghanistan weren't actually responsible, but whoever actually did it, they just hated america and wanted to kill as many Americans as possible, and the towers were just large, vulnerable targets. but as the 2000s wore on, the true extent of what the WTC was up to became more clear. you put this well, nice post
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:Best not to think about the anthrax attacks too much lest you end up on a cia hit list.  Michael Hastingsjust blatantly murdered by CIA or another TLA in plain sight lol e: seriously if anyone hasn't read up on that, definitely do because it's a real trip. a fiercely anti-war journalist who said to have had something big in the lead-up to his death and worked carefully with a lot of whisteblowers because he had a reputation for being good about publishing and handling documents. And just like JFK, in the day or hours leading up to his death he knew he was being targeted and wanted to borrow a friend or neighbors car since he believed his current car had been tampered with and by all accounts was a very cautious driver, yet mysteriously his car zoomed 80 mph into a pole and exploded. the media interference team immediately after kept running stories about how he was a drug addict, no angel, had plans to go to rehab, etc; LAPD also lied through their teeth saying he was a drug addict totally died from weed. a Ad then 2 months later they quietly released the toxicology report that showed no sign there was any active drugs in his system. Xaris has issued a correction as of 05:45 on Feb 4, 2021 |
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