Quetzadilla posted:

OP I'm guessing you're fairly young and probably don't have a fully developed personal sense of daily-life pre 9/11 as compared to post. That's not a knock on you or me being patronizing, in many ways pre-9/11 life is basically incomprehensible in retrospect. The short answer is "absolutely, yes, it was probably the single most history-shaping moment of the new millenium for the entire world." Not in and of itself just knocking down a couple buildings and killing 3k, but setting the groundwork for everything that came after. You know about the wars, the 2 million dead & counting, ISIS, the color revolutions, Libya, Syria, Yemen, the proliferation of polio, Uighurs, cocaine, PTSD, ICE, Occupy, Obama, Trump, Biden, Ferguson, George Floyd, the list goes on and on, but you're probably not consciously aware that all of these things are inextricably linked to 9/11 and the project to massively expand the reach and power of the carceral state in reaction to it. Even popular media post-9/11 became extremely jingoistic and fascistic, refocusing from the 90s zeitgeist of rebelling against authority to fighting off invasion/subversion from the other.

That doesn't mean that other historical things haven't been happening since that are also shaping the world, they influence each other, because nothing happens in a vacuum.

The important takeaway here is that osama clearly and inarguably won.

Not Important posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX1SojKfgNI

Riot Bimbo posted:

I think it was one of those critical moments for millenials. Growing up, watching every adult on the planet go absolutely insane, (I joined them for a while, but I was a preteen, they have no real excuse) was massively enlightening/alienating. More than my parents getting sick, and losing their middle class life to a dying economy and failing health, realizing that the adults in the room by and large were nothing but scared children with way too much power, was big-time formative for me. All of the jingoism and patriotism going around in north-central Texas at the time, was intoxicating at first, but once the buzz wore off, extremely alienating.

Without 9/11, I don't think I would be as "over" America as an idea or nation than I am now. Culturally, I think Millenial+Zoomer leftism also comes back to that stupid loving day.

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