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Yeah there's no real context given to the chart like Bill Door said. I assume it's preflop based on a lot of the raising frequencies and maybe it's as the big blind in a tournament because of the calling frequency (it's way more calling than you'll see than in any other position or in cash games) but you don't know how many players are at the table, what the stack sizes are, who raised and to what amount, etc. It's just an illustration of solver output. Also solvers sometimes come up with weird quirks you mention about 92s being a raise but J2s being a call. Not exactly sure why, maybe because J2s makes stronger pairs and flushes that make it slightly easier to play postflop but I dunno.
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Mind_Taker posted:make it slightly easier to play postflop the gto robot doesn't need anything to be made easier to play postflop it's usually just a combination of board coverage, making frequencies right, and taking things that are very marginal either way and using them to fix the frequencies. like if 92s is a 0ev call and a 0ev raise it can use both to fix its frequencies to be optimal. in real life the actual hand doesn't matter incredibly much as long as the frequencies are correct. in general J2s probably does make more useful pairs but it's always going to be a very thin difference
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What's the best solver for the money these days? The one that generated the chart up there is pretty expensive.
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Baddog posted:What's the best solver for the money these days? The one that generated the chart up there is pretty expensive. i think someone in here (stefanprodan?) bought PIOSolver so maybe sweet talk him for some sweet sweet charts.
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May 19, 2021 02:04
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Strong Sauce posted:i think someone in here (stefanprodan?) bought PIOSolver so maybe sweet talk him for some sweet sweet charts. I have pio but I don't have the version that does preflop cause it's expensive and takes like overnight to do each chart I think and I also feel like people play pretty far from gto on every street in my games and the adjustments are usually intuitive so I'm not really the most gto-focused person other than trying to be familiar with what ranges the regs will usually have I would be interested in some of the exploitive preflop charts though that the Finnish poster was talking about when that came up, that's actually probably what I'd be interested in is like what do you do vs someone who's 3betting 6% or playing 18/15 or something, but then it's also hard to tell because the solver is then gonna assume they play GTO postflop which they obviously will not Anyway I like pio, if you have the money it's definitely good, if you aren't a pro I think there's other ones that do nearly the same thing for a lot less. GTO+ maybe?
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May 27, 2021 22:59
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I haven't looked through how to use this yet but it looks like an online GTO solver thing. parts of it require an account/pro (again haven't really looked at it yet) https://app.floptimal.com/
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Jun 3, 2021 03:19
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is there a good website that tracks general gambling legislation going through state governments?
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Jul 12, 2021 18:02
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Any interest in a general "casino table games" thread? Like, especially all the gimmick and weird table games - pai gow, variants of blackjack, "Ultimate Texas Hold'Em" etc.?
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Jul 19, 2021 23:03
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Leperflesh posted:Any interest in a general "casino table games" thread? Like, especially all the gimmick and weird table games - pai gow, variants of blackjack, "Ultimate Texas Hold'Em" etc.? I mean, I'd read it and participate; I'm a sucker for fun pit games. (And sometimes not fun pit games, like 3 card poker.) Love me some pai gow poker. (Not so much the tiles, but I'm kind of interested in learning how all that works.)
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Jul 21, 2021 22:11
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Alright. Two posters is enough for a whole thread IMO! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3974124
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Is there gonna be a wsop thread? I’m playing in a ton of events and would like to see if other goons will be there too.
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Oh hey! Yeah there should totally be one. You could make one, or if you're too busy, I'm sure someone around here can. Looks like events kick off September 30th, so there's some time to put together a thread.
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My heads been totally gone since Sunday. Probably partly because I was awake until 5am with a tournament. I haven't been able to focus on anything and after thirty minutes of every poker tournament I enter I just don't give a poo poo. I'm gonna look at the horse racing again today to see if that'll give me some of an edge back. Mrenda fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Sep 15, 2021 |
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FYI since people might not frequent the forum and only check threads for updates, there's a WSOP 2021 thread. Please post in it! https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3980501
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My family is starting to pester me about gifts for my birthday/Christmas and while I usually am bad at this I realized I could point them towards some chip sets and let them all contribute a stack of 50 or so. I've been looking around and found these guys and they look like genuinely nice chips and their reviews on Amazon look legitimate: https://www.slowplay.store/collections My only question is can anyone comment on ceramic vs clay chips? Not sure which is "better" or even what the difference in feel would be
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PIZZA.BAT posted:My family is starting to pester me about gifts for my birthday/Christmas and while I usually am bad at this I realized I could point them towards some chip sets and let them all contribute a stack of 50 or so. I've been looking around and found these guys and they look like genuinely nice chips and their reviews on Amazon look legitimate: https://www.slowplay.store/collections Huh, I dunno if I've ever felt ceramic chips, they'd be a lot different wouldn't they? Their clay chips are a lot heavier than casino chips though. I had to look it up, 14g vs ~10g. But the ceramics are the right weight. Maybe get a few first to feel them out. Poked around a bit, good reviews on these: "correct" size/weight clay, more expensive - https://www.apachepokerchips.com/product/pharaohs-poker-chips/ ceramic - https://brpropoker.com/ , about the same price as slowplays? All of these seem a lot more expensive than the clay chip set I bought back in poker boom times (goddamn that was a long time ago, huh). I can't find where I bought mine now, maybe it was some real knockoff poo poo. But they feel pretty legit.
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"Clay" poker chips almost never are; there's like one place to get them made nowadays, and they cost >$1 per chip depending on design and whatnot. If you get a full set of honest to god clay chips, your home game is pretty baller. Ceramic is generally the next step down, and they're great for customizing because you can get them dye-sublimated or get stock designs that are pretty detailed, but they're generally regarded as still pretty "premium" and you'll pay maybe $.60-$.70 a chip. Down from there are "China clays" which are a plastic, but sort of "enthusiast grade" plastic without the metal slugs from those "dice chips" we all bought back in the day. The chips from apache are China clays. Some people love them, because they're decent and affordable, and some people hate them as "knockoffs". Below that are various kinds of plastic chips. There are those ubiquitous ones with the dice mold and the metal slugs in them I just mentioned (mine actually do have card suits on them insted of dice, but it's the same thing - ABS plastic injection molded around a metal slug) and then the real lovely ones that come from like the dollar store or whatever packed in with decks of cards. (There are also "casino plastics" but the companies that make those mostly just deal to casinos now.) Based on the prices and descriptions, I'd say Slowplay's ceramics might actually be ceramics, and their "clays" are likely nice plastic. (The description says they're injection molded.) Ultimately, regardless of which ones are "best", the best ones to get are the ones you like most, so yeah, get some samples. Maybe order like one stack of each and see if you like them. (Most of the other chip sellers/makers actually have dedicated sample packs for ordering pre-customization so you can see how they look and feel.)
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Thanks a ton for the info. I’ll send them an email to see if they’ll send me some samples
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I'll add that all of that info is basically stolen/paraphrased from pokerchipforum.com. I've been thinking about getting a nice(r) set for myself and I was browsing there lately to figure out what's what.
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i loving goddamn HATE having a lag player directly on my left. god damnit it was just beat after beat tonight. calling three-bets pre-flop with poo poo like 5/7 offsuit and hitting the two pair on the flop. gently caress gently caress ok. deep breath. calm. i'm calm
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Nov 11, 2021 04:49
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What are some really good resources to brush up on O8 and Stud8? I haven't played them in a while and there's a live game near me that I'm really tempted to play in.
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first time ever playing in a casino last night for real money and i did really well. i was pretty nervous going into it but i went with two of my regular buddies and the one, who himself is a casino regular, told me that he knew my play and that if i just stuck to the fundamentals and didn’t do anything stupid that i’d do fine. they sit me down at a new table and when two of the other guys sitting down knew the dealer by name i was already thinking i was screwed. i folded most of my hands on the first two orbits as i just wanted to observe at first and get a feel for the players at the table. pretty quickly i identified two lag players across the table from me, a literal old man coffee, one guy i couldn’t get any read on directly to my right because he never played any hands, and a tag player who actually seemed dangerous directly on my left. pretty quickly i managed to hit two pair Q8 on the turn and one of the lags overbets the pot for about $50. i’d never handled a bet this big so my adrenaline was surging but i was pretty sure i had the better hand because the guy betting into me was one of the lags. i call and hit the boat on the river. action starts on me so i decided to donk bet another $50 to see how he handled it. he makes a confused look, thinks for a bit, and shoved. i snap call and show him the bad news. turns out i had him beat on the turn. he immediately rebuys and the guy on my left makes an offhand, ‘ohhh this guy actually knows what he’s doing’ which made me feel good a few hands later i get pocket 2s and manage to see the flop pretty cheaply. i flop quads. two other players start chasing a flush and i just float so i don’t scare them off. they both hit the flush and bet half pot on the river but i was feeling they weren’t confident with theirs so i minraise them. both think a while on calling and eventually do, so i’m pretty confident i extracted max value on that hand as well. the rest of the night basically played out like that. i’d occasionally pull down a monster pot and then spend another orbit or two folding or limping if i’m in position and was reliably increasing my stack. the only thing i told myself was to not get into it with the guy directly on my left because he was the one guy i strongly felt could outplay me. and then of course i got into it with him and he took a giant $150 bite out of my stack. lol. lesson learned the vibes were off the charts too. everyone was bantering and having a great time. i honestly expected it to be way more boring and tedious than my regular kitchen game but it was way waaay more fun. i can really see how people can become regulars at this. honestly with how much fun that was i’m thinking *I* may become one of those regulars. i really wasn’t expecting it to be as easy as it was to get a read on the other players as it was. i figured if people were playing for real money at a casino they’d have a baseline competence either at or above my skill level but that was completely wrong. i cashed out up 370% which i won’t tell myself is a usual night that i can expect in the future. however i keep a spreadsheet of my performance for every night i play and if i find that i’m regularly EV+ then this might be the beginning of the next chapter of my poker journey fin
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that's a cool story. poker is still one of the games that scares me but is interesting to read about.
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Hey pizza, where were you playing and what were the stakes/format, if you don't mind my asking? Thanks for the report regardless though.
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Leperflesh posted:Hey pizza, where were you playing and what were the stakes/format, if you don't mind my asking? Thanks for the report regardless though. Hold ‘em 1/3 at the Pittsburgh Three Rivers Casino. I think I’m gonna try going once every other week to see how I do
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PIZZA.BAT posted:Hold ‘em 1/3 at the Pittsburgh Three Rivers Casino. I think I’m gonna try going once every other week to see how I do I love the enthusiasm, just realize its pretty hard to tell what your actual edge is playing live, even with an insane number of hours. Don't get that many hands/hour. Sounds like you got a real good run of luck if you were pulling down big pots "every orbit or two", and just temper your expectations a bit. The dealer is going to be making a lot more money than you at 1/3 over the long haul. To actually get decent I still think you need to get online, just loving crank a ton of hands, and then analyze them for holes. But definitely not as fun as degen'ing it up in an actual casino.
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Oh absolutely. I would consider a long term trend of being up 25% after a few months a resounding success. I’d actually be worried if I was consistently pulling over 100% as it probably means I’m learning a ton of bad habits that will get me ruined the moment I step into a poker room with better players. To be clear though I’ve been hitting the books and playing *some* online poker for the past few years, so I’m not a total newbie. I definitely feel like I’m ready to establish a formal bankroll and start my next chapter though.
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PIZZA.BAT posted:Hold ‘em 1/3 at the Pittsburgh Three Rivers Casino. I think I’m gonna try going once every other week to see how I do I wouldn’t put much stock in players knowing dealers names or vice versa, I know them all and you would not be unhappy to have me on your left. Since that’s the only really viable poker room in Pittsburgh (the meadows was always bad but now that all of their poker dealers walked out, that room is just pure trash), so most folks play their. Consider, only maybe 10 or 20% of players are profitable over the long haul (and most of them probably 4BB/hr or less) and like half of that room is regs at any given time, that means a lot of regs are going to be negative earners. There are a few players that are disgruntled in general, but usually tables have 4 or 5 people that are enjoying themselves, and most of the dealers are fun also. If I ever find myself at a table with a group of disagreeable folks I’ll usually make an effort to play right and increase the odds of padding my stats a bit for the times I’m just down there having fun. And there are quite a few OMC's that play occasionally; they don’t spread the 3/6 or 4/8 limit games anymore, and if they were to do so they are no longer eligible for most of the promotions so they wouldn’t get full anyway, so several of those players have migrated to play 1/3 instead.
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Oh poo poo small world. If you saw the big dude in the tie dye shirt that was one of my friends i was there with. I was at the table all the way on the right and closest to the front desk
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Live 1/3 is extremely profitable and alot of times better than 2/5. It's basically a deeper 1/2 game with better action.
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So this is a dumb question, but how do I deposit on Ignition or ACR if I'm a dumb American? I only really ever play live, but been itching to play regularly again.
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Sataere posted:So this is a dumb question, but how do I deposit on Ignition or ACR if I'm a dumb American? I only really ever play live, but been itching to play regularly again. I think ignition still allows card deposits but my bank flags it and declines the transaction, but yours might allow it. Otherwise it’s bitcoin. I’d recommend getting a coin base account either way because if you ever want to withdraw, withdrawing to bitcoin only takes like 24h and you can sell the BTC there for real money and deposit it to a bank account easily.
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Tetramin posted:I think ignition still allows card deposits but my bank flags it and declines the transaction, but yours might allow it. Otherwise it’s bitcoin. This is what I was afraid of. I really don't want a crypto account, but it feels like the only way.
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Tetramin posted:I think ignition still allows card deposits but my bank flags it and declines the transaction, but yours might allow it. Otherwise it’s bitcoin. I agree btc is the way to go, but when I was looking into wallets to deposit on ACR I was told to stay away from Coinbase from guys on apestyles twitch chat. Apparently trying to withdraw to it is drat near impossible from ACR. I'm trying to remember the one they recommended. My financial situation changed so I haven't taken the plunge.
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Mr. Toodles posted:I agree btc is the way to go, but when I was looking into wallets to deposit on ACR I was told to stay away from Coinbase from guys on apestyles twitch chat. Apparently trying to withdraw to it is drat near impossible from ACR. I'm trying to remember the one they recommended. My financial situation changed so I haven't taken the plunge. I have pulled cash from btc that I withdrew from ignition dozens of times. From withdraw request to coin base to my bank account takes like 5 days start to finish. Coin base lets you withdraw I think 10k max daily. The bigger risk would be them somehow flagging that the transaction had to do with gambling, which would only happen if you named the address you generate for the transfer “gambling winnings” or something. I hate to seem like a shill but counbase seemed like the only place that actually makes it easy to get dollars from BTC. This was a few years ago at this point though. I’m sure there are plenty of other brokers that can do this process nowadays. Tetramin fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Dec 1, 2021 |
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This was gonna be my next question. I had a buddy transfer me $100 into ACR yesterday, so once I build this thing up from the microlimits, I'm definitely going to need to figure out how to withdraw all my big monies. On another note, what kind of win rate should I be looking for at the micro levels. I'm up $25 and I don't even feel like I was running hot so much as just targetting specific bad players and waiting for them to let me stack them.
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Mr. Toodles posted:I agree btc is the way to go, but when I was looking into wallets to deposit on ACR I was told to stay away from Coinbase from guys on apestyles twitch chat. Apparently trying to withdraw to it is drat near impossible from ACR. I'm trying to remember the one they recommended. My financial situation changed so I haven't taken the plunge. you don't go straight to and from coinbase, you use another wallet like Electrum or whatever the kids use now inbetween
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Tetramin posted:I have pulled cash from btc that I withdrew from ignition dozens of times. From withdraw request to coin base to my bank account takes like 5 days start to finish. Coin base lets you withdraw I think 10k max daily. You're not shilling, it's good info. I apologize to the op. They made it sound like Coinbase fucks you, but it's certainly possible or even likely they actually said gambling winnings or something equally dumb on the withdrawal.
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Mr. Toodles posted:You're not shilling, it's good info. I apologize to the op. They made it sound like Coinbase fucks you, but it's certainly possible or even likely they actually said gambling winnings or something equally dumb on the withdrawal. Yeah, I'd love to have more information on Bitcoin in regards to this. It seems like it might be the easiest method for transferring funds.
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I haven’t played on ignition for quite some time and just got bored and figured I’d play for a bit. Down due to a failed system upgrade. Owned
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