#metoo and the impact of rape culture

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

No!!!! Don't post about dnd, or what you think of the dnd rules, or whatever the hell forums discussion in cspam. Post about idiot libs in office/on twitter/whatever, but you don't get a thread for discussing dnd moderation or posters in cspam, period.

You are however, free to discuss Tara Reade in its own thread in dnd or cspam, if you want. But it's not going to be a thread about something awful forum moderation, which has nothing to do with her.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Many cspam posters have pointed out how they think the moderation and rule is related to a broader political context of marginalizing and silencing Tara Reade. Again, imagine if a republican forum did similar actions about trump rape allegations.

Can I post in this D&D thread just created along these lines pointing out these issues?

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Am I allowed to make fun of the moderation rules now saying you can't criticize the moderation rules without mentioning which moderation rules, or is that still too much criticism to handle?

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# ¿ Feb 7, 2021 22:22

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Grouchio posted:

I believe that Reade was sexually harassed in the distant past but not sexually assaulted like with Ford. There would've been more credence to her larger claim had she not decided RT to be her main outlet, and had she not begun actively supporting Putin before 2020.
That is my stance.

silicone thrills posted:

I feel like you are just trolling this thread at this point.

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

Grouchio has a history of posting weird misogynistic poo poo, and specifically about Reade as well, which their rap sheet attests to. I don't think they should be taken very seriously in this thread (or indeed this subforum).

Whatever this stance posted by Grouchio is, you can see it unironically in the wild by typing "russia reade" into twitter search. I have also seen other posters on this site say Reade should not have published in RT with an op-ed where she decries being thrown under the bus by the mainstream media.

In the liberal and social media, discussion of Tara Reade is kept away from mainstream discourse. Their audience is given permission to ignore it, but if they do decide look at it outside of their bubble, treat it as a spectacle; a weaponized and insincere propaganda attack. The very silencing of Tara Reade and relegating her to the margins of discourse is used as proof of her lack of credibility:

code:

https://twitter.com/MarshallCohen/status/1356707778539237377

https://twitter.com/NancyLeeGrahn/status/1356752356528984067

# ¿ Feb 9, 2021 01:17

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Harold Fjord posted:

They could have coalesced around literally any of the other primary candidates. Only the donors have ever really mattered to the party.

The democrats actually did try to coalesce around anyone else that were not the 3 candidates joe rogan was willing to invite onto his show. They tried to push kamala, klobuchar, buttigieg, and the rest of the clown car hard and all of them failed. I think it was CNN that had multiple post-audience panels with a majority saying klob won every debate.

The result was utter panic after sanders sweeped the first 3 states, unprecedented for a candidate. These circumstances forced them to push the candidate who announced amidst a bunch of sexual harassment allegations, joked about inappropriately touching a bunch of women and children, and required the entire democrat-aligned media to smear his public sexual assault victim as a warning to anyone else. Their priorities are very clear.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2021 22:44

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

A rhetorical choice made specifically to tie a rapist to his crime within the context of specifically talking about Tara Reade -- literally in the middle of the conversation about her -- and more specifically drawing the distinction that she, Tara Reade, is merely the most public victim of said rapist by using those words is, I'm sorry, not that big of a deal in the midst of the entire democratic apparatus and, moreover, posters ITT trying to claim Reade is lying, or it doesn't matter, or it's not worth talking about.

This was my intended framing. I've seen 2 other claims of sexual assault by biden that have remained anonymous. The smearing of Reade in the predominantly democrat-aligned media and the silence of the "progressive" wing is a warning to Biden's many victims and casts a grim pall over anyone else speaking out against democrats in the future.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2021 23:08

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

thinking about how the media hyperfocused on the "credibility" of tara reade and not notorious liar joe biden mired in many harassment allegations and whom was the butt of snl and daily show groping jokes based on his "tactile" c-span footage

# ¿ Mar 18, 2021 20:59

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Thorn Wishes Talon posted:

The US media had no issues taking an aggressive stance against Sen. Franken, who was very popular and well-liked at the time, because he had nine accusers, and has no issues giving Cuomo's accusers plenty of coverage either (because he also has... what, seven accusers now?). The latter is particularly remarkable since he was treated as a hero for the better part of last year and enjoyed all kinds of positive coverage, to the point where he was told to have started to think about his own presidential run at some point, which won't be happening anymore because of these stories.

With Biden though, there frankly wasn't a lot to go off of, from a media coverage perspective, other than (afaik) a few people in Reade's circle confirming that she (may have?) mentioned/complained about the issue to them back when she said it happened. So it really came down to a he said vs she said situation, and the media realized there wasn't enough actual substance to base a story on, at least beyond what a few outlets initially reported. Seriously, not even the craziest right-wing outlets seized it, despite the fact that it would have been a wonderful opportunity for them to bash Biden.

That is to say, blaming the US media for not giving it coverage because Biden is an "important establishment Dem" is pretty silly. In fact, forget politics: there isn't any evidence that being just rich and powerful is sufficient protection from media scrutiny, as we saw with Harvey Weinstein. On the contrary, it makes stories potentially juicier and makes it more likely that journos who want to make a name for themselves go digging.

Jay-V posted:

Tara will get a second look if multiple accusers come forward regardless of her going on RT.

More importantly, this (very common) line of thinking substitutes the sheer number of accusations for substantial investigation and vetting of claims, which is obviously as wrong as assassinating the character of a sexual assault survivor. I don�t blame Tara for assuming the u.s. media treats important establishment Dem politicians as �too big to investigate� without multiple accusers.

joe biden announced his 2020 campaign amidst 7 allegations of "uncomfortable" touching, many of which are similar to some of the allegations against cuomo
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/04/joe-biden-accuser-accusations-allegations.html

# ¿ Mar 24, 2021 06:10

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

cuomo is a democrat, his policy positions are mainstream among what democratic politicians and their controlling donors actually support, the democrats do not actually care about removing people with credible harassment or rape allegations from office, and cuomo will not be removed from office

# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 00:37

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

don't they have an obvious legal mechanism to remove him and it's called impeachment

it's actually not complicated at all whatsoever and is straightforward and simple. the nursing home debacle should certainly by itself be considered a high crime
https://www.nytimes.com/article/cuomo-impeachment.html

quote:

The initial step could involve an accusation of �high crimes and misdemeanors,� a constitutional phrase that was included in a recent resolution offered up by the Assembly�s long-suffering Republicans. The resolution also touched on the governor�s verbal attack on Assemblyman Ron Kim, a progressive Democrat who probably has very little in common with most of the Republican delegation.

If the impeachment measure passes the Assembly, it would then be up to the Senate to try Mr. Cuomo, with a jury of most Senate members and the judges from the Court of Appeals, the state�s highest court. A two-thirds majority is required to convict. (Andrea Stewart-Cousins, the majority leader and one of the first major elected officials to say that Mr. Cuomo should resign, would have to abstain, per the State Constitution.)

comedyblissoption fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Apr 10, 2021

# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 01:46

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

Right and while progressive might want him gone they simply don't have the votes to make it happen if an investigation pans out... maybe they will.

if they don't put any actual pressure for an impeachment which is the formal, simple, straightforward, and obvious legal process to remove cuomo from office it shows they likely never actually cared about it and it was cynical posturing

# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 01:52

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

idk what the makeup is of the NY senate, but if you added all the republicans and "progressives" and "please resign cuomo" politicians together it might add up to enough to remove cuomo from office which means the democratic party would want to avoid the entire debacle altogether

# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 01:57

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

the ny state senate is 20 republicans + 43 democrats

if you assume all republicans will remove cuomo from office, you would need to peel 22 out of 43 democrats (51%) to remove him from office

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Senate

# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 02:00

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Crosby B. Alfred posted:

You contradicted yourself here. The voters of Virginia decided there wasn't a need to do better than Northam because they believed his apology, he made amends and there wasn't a need to remove him from office. Him admitting a mistake and showing people that he can grow out of it is kind of awesome in my opinion and the kind of politicians we need in office.

Not being removed from office does not mean voters accepted Northam's apology. This is an absolutely ridiculous position if you think to apply this to any other scandal or controversial position in which a politician served out their term.

As a reminder, Northam's scandal involved being captioned by name in an 80s photo with a blackface student next to a KKK hooded student in which the identities are ambiguous.

# ¿ Apr 10, 2021 22:46

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

just want to throw in that some liberals are so deranged from the smears about Tara Reade that they are treating her as part of some insane mccarthyist conspiracy

this type of vicious smear campaign silences victims
https://twitter.com/im_PULSE/status/1380910105437278210

# ¿ Apr 11, 2021 03:19

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

socialsecurity posted:

This seems like quite the stretch from a single tweet from some rando.

# ¿ Apr 13, 2021 01:00

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

there is of course a lot of vicious tara reade smears and hate post-election if you go outside verified accounts, which is the natural fallout of how liberal media chose to cover the tara reade story which absolutely included the russian disinformation angle

# ¿ Apr 13, 2021 01:06

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Still Dismal posted:

1) You could define "crimes against humanity" in such a way as to make Joe Biden guilty of them in a way that is morally coherent and consistent. Defining them so would also mean that pretty much every person of any level of appreciable power was also guilty, and the term would, in my view, basically lose all real meaning.

this is handwaving away that joe biden genocided yemen, expanded concentration camps, supported the direct US military invasion of multiple countries ruining them in the process, and materially and politically supported rightwing fascist military coups

to draw an analogy, at some point you have to be able to blame dick cheney and george bush jr for the iraq war...

# ¿ Apr 14, 2021 05:19

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

I hope you can appreciate that for some people whether to politically support genociders and concentration campers in any way is not academic

# ¿ Apr 14, 2021 06:25

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

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# ¿ May 28, 2021 21:31

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

GreyjoyBastard posted:

really getting the impression that this thread's culture and/or posting standards might be better suited to cspam

Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:

You are however, free to discuss Tara Reade in its own thread in dnd or cspam, if you want.

King Jeffrey has spoken. Are you threatening to ban talking about tara reade in D&D?

# ¿ Jun 9, 2021 04:17

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

This thread has been mostly fine for 30 pages, and now we have people making very incendiary first posts in this thread following an announcement of considering thread closure.

# ¿ Jun 9, 2021 07:34

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

I don't think it was mentioned itt, but Stringer, a nyc mayoral candidate, compared the allegations against him to Tara Reade, saying they were all spurious. Politicians are treating it as fait accompli that Tara Reade was a liar and specifically invoking her to defend themselves.
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1402262222689255429

Tara Reade trended recently because of Dovere's book insinuating the allegations were politically motivated to help the bernie sanders campaign, with the ensuing repeated social media smears.

Tara Reade specifically keeps coming back over and over again as a topic and how it relates to situations like cuomo, and effectively banning it from D&D is going to look terrible for the forums overall.

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

prosecutors should not be empowered to give legal immunity for rape

# ¿ Jul 1, 2021 18:37

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