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Framboise posted:Dear loving god, Republicans are having a field day today. they didnt win though really. everyone knew this outcome was coming. i am more surprised we got 7 GOP types. id rather have them eat other more now and get some good/decent stuff done. i think 2022 will go well because of said infighting and trump won't win 2024
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The republican party is literally eating itself alive in a few different states at the moment.
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Feb 14, 2021 04:17
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BIG DRYWALL MAN posted:The republican party is literally eating itself alive in a few different states at the moment. yeah. i am curious if they will try to have senators removed or some stupid insane poo poo.
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Feb 14, 2021 04:20
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I just don't see how you could explain to the voter-base how this all played it as anything other than: 1) The dems demanded witnesses be allowed. Reps obliged, then Dems decided not to bring anyone. Trump was acquitted a few hours later. 2) This was a tactical victory for the democractic party, anyway now that we spent all week on this it'll be another nine days before we can even consider talking about COVID relief.
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Feb 14, 2021 04:21
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. i am curious if they will try to have senators removed or some stupid insane poo poo. Cassidy is the really surprising one, but there isn’t a recall option in Louisiana and he just got re-elected in 2020.
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Feb 14, 2021 04:22
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porfiria posted:Dear God. Lol yeah, you and everyone who thinks exactly like you is correct 100% of the time and surely needs no ideological push back on anything ever. Give me a break.
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Feb 14, 2021 04:28
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paternity suitor posted:Lol yeah, you and everyone who thinks exactly like you is correct 100% of the time and surely needs no ideological push back on anything ever. Give me a break. Conservative and liberal aren’t the only options in speaking of diversity of thought.
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Feb 14, 2021 04:29
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paternity suitor posted:Lol yeah, you and everyone who thinks exactly like you is correct 100% of the time and surely needs no ideological push back on anything ever. Give me a break. I think you'll find the left is more than capable of eating itself alive and doesn't need a fascist to help.
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Feb 14, 2021 04:31
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paternity suitor posted:Lol yeah, you and everyone who thinks exactly like you is correct 100% of the time and surely needs no ideological push back on anything ever. Give me a break. Pushback on ideas from a Nazi perspective isn't productive. It's not really productive from a neoliberal perspective either, to be honest. Neither of those ideologies is legitimate. Honest people can disagree, but the Democrats and the Republicans aren't honest.
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Feb 14, 2021 05:06
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Dapper_Swindler posted:they didnt win though really. everyone knew this outcome was coming. i am more surprised we got 7 GOP types. id rather have them eat other more now and get some good/decent stuff done. i think 2022 will go well because of said infighting and trump won't win 2024 You're right, he won't win. He'll say he did though, and cause another riot.
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Feb 14, 2021 07:36
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watching from over in the UK, i didn't think that mitch mcconnel could get more pathetic, but to say "not guilty coz not prez" despite him being the reason the trial was delayed, but then also immediately saying "that motherfucker is fully 100% guilty" the second the trial is over is some seriously pathetic scum level poo poo. nearly unbleliveable
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Feb 14, 2021 08:04
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paternity suitor posted:Lol yeah, you and everyone who thinks exactly like you is correct 100% of the time and surely needs no ideological push back on anything ever. Give me a break. Conservative ideology is only, what, a hundred and fifty years old? And it took a while to migrate to America as a cohesive thing, and you didnt have a proper party devoted to it until the 60s. Do you think there just wasn't any ideological pushback prior to that or what?
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Feb 14, 2021 16:21
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Thom12255 posted:https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/1360703805424341003 It’s crazy how good at getting wins this guy is.
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Feb 14, 2021 16:23
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Ghost of RBG posted:It’s crazy how good at getting wins this guy is. What do you think happened here? "There were too many Republicans" was literally all that happened here, Mitch didn't do something amazing clever. The GOP won't turn on Trump through a mix if: A) Need the votes of Trump voters to stay in office B) Don't want to be murdered by Trump voters for betraying Dear Leader C) Actually just love Trump themselves
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Feb 14, 2021 16:33
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sean10mm posted:What do you think happened here? This event is not the first time Mitch has managed to outsmart his political opponents.
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Feb 14, 2021 16:38
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porfiria posted:Pushback on ideas from a Nazi perspective isn't productive. It's not really productive from a neoliberal perspective either, to be honest. Neither of those ideologies is legitimate. The OP did say to strip out all the toxic GOP bullshit, this is sort of an idealized scenario here. If you have 40% of the population who doesn't want change and distrusts anything that might raise taxes, even if they're misinformed or stupid or whatever you want to call them, then they should still have representation and a voice in the discussion. We've just lived through four years of the government doing everything they could to piss off the "minority" party, so I have some issues with telling 40% of the country "no, your way is stupid and we're going to do as many things that you hate as we possibly can" (even if it's the right thing to do!). Granted we're in some interesting times re: climate change and disease control, and basically I don't care about your opinion if you're scared of the "change" of accepting minority rights, so I dunno, maybe sometimes people need to be dragged kicking and screaming, but I do understand the sentiment.
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Feb 14, 2021 16:39
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Ghost of RBG posted:This event is not the first time Mitch has managed to outsmart his political opponents. How is "have enough votes" for reasons he doesn't even control "outsmarting" poo poo?
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Feb 14, 2021 16:55
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sean10mm posted:How is "have enough votes" for reasons he doesn't even control "outsmarting" poo poo? He does control that though. You may argue that McConnel has nothing to do with the way the GOP controls and influences government but I think it’s pretty clear he does.
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Feb 14, 2021 16:59
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Ghost of RBG posted:He does control that though. You may argue that McConnel has nothing to do with the way the GOP controls and influences government but I think it’s pretty clear he does. McConnell must be pissed that Trump undid his life's work in 4 years, then. The gestalt of Trump is that he's poo poo. Crap approval and republicans moving in mass to Independent and actively looking for a new party is all on Trump. This impeachment may not have ended with laser death beams eviscerating Trump but it did bring into even sharper focus how bad the Republican position is in relation to him and it's going to hurt the Republican party in 2022 for which active campaigning is only a year away. The party consists of three factions now. The 'RINO' never Trumpers, the core party (McConnell's faction that enabled trump but wants to move on) and the sedition caucus: MTG, Boebert, Hawley, etc... This could easily be three parties in 2022 and 2024. Graham was prescient in his, "Trump will destroy us and we will deserve it." statement because that appears to be exactly what's happened.
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More people voted for trump after four years of him than had ever voted for any other republican. If he started a new party, they’d be in trouble, but he’s given them plenty to coast on.
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Feb 14, 2021 17:17
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Murgos posted:McConnell must be pissed that Trump undid his life's work in 4 years, then. I think plenty of people have predicted the end of the Republicans in several of their 21st century incarnations and the GOP has never failed to gain more and more power, so I’m skeptical of the claims that “the GOP is in shambles” until those elections have come to pass and the Dems are comfortably in power in the majority of states and legislatures.
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Feb 14, 2021 17:21
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Even when they were in shambles post Obama's first election, some rich Fucksons just threw money into an astroturf pit that dominated the airwaves for months.
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Feb 14, 2021 17:26
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Ghost of RBG posted:This event is not the first time Mitch has managed to outsmart his political opponents. Not having a single ounce of shame is a huge asset to being a Republican. Similar to how lacking a spine will get you big places in the Democratic party. Mitch is also kind of smart enough to understand that 95% of the GOP base doesn't give a poo poo about hypocrisy anyway and that even those that might never get confronted with it since all their information is filtered thru FOX News and talk radio anyway while everything else that leaks through is fake news. On the rare occasion that a conservative voter is genuinely faced with a real "that's kinda hosed up" moment, they just move on to how "both sides do the same poo poo" and do a whataboutism. sean10mm posted:How is "have enough votes" for reasons he doesn't even control "outsmarting" poo poo? Totally understanding that his entire base is filled with stupid and often willfully ignorant morons of which he is not one. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Feb 14, 2021 |
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Mitch is a really bad man and surely hypocritical about stuff but I always feel like people really personify the fact he's the one that speaks for the party in the senate as being him specifically personally doing everything. He goes to meetings and this stuff gets decided, it's not like this is just specifically this guy saying things and it being a thing he came up with himself.
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Feb 14, 2021 17:37
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Mitch is a really bad man and surely hypocritical about stuff but I always feel like people really personify the fact he's the one that speaks for the party in the senate as being him specifically personally doing everything. He goes to meetings and this stuff gets decided, it's not like this is just specifically this guy saying things and it being a thing he came up with himself. Yeah, Mitch's "genius" is in knowing his caucus. He'll go whatever direction they want to. He leads by following, not convincing anyone of anything.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Mitch is a really bad man and surely hypocritical about stuff but I always feel like people really personify the fact he's the one that speaks for the party in the senate as being him specifically personally doing everything. He goes to meetings and this stuff gets decided, it's not like this is just specifically this guy saying things and it being a thing he came up with himself. I have no doubt that at those meetings the concept that Mitch approves gets significant consideration and when there is an equal 'this or that' split that it probably comes down on the Mitch endorsed side more often than not. McConnell is one of the senior voices of the party and has a vast influence. "He's just a guy at a meeting" is not really true.
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Deteriorata posted:Yeah, Mitch's "genius" is in knowing his caucus. He'll go whatever direction they want to. He leads by following, not convincing anyone of anything. I agree here. He’s just lucky to lead a caucus which is largely united in racism, greed, and bloodlust. It’s not a terrifically difficult assignment— particularly when you aren’t beholden to anything like principles or ethics.
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Feb 14, 2021 18:12
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There's nothing clever about what Mitch is doing and he didn't outsmart anyone. He just has votes and has no shame in using them, period. Anyone spinning a 57-43 vote (including 7 defections) to convict the former GOP president as a GOP "win" is working backward from premade conclusions.
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7 defections is honestly 4 or 5 more than I expected. I assumed Mitch and Sasse would defect and one of Murkowski or Collins.
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Feb 14, 2021 22:54
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:More people voted for trump after four years of him than had ever voted for any other republican. If he started a new party, they’d be in trouble, but he’s given them plenty to coast on. And more people voted against Trump than have voted for ANYONE OR ANYTHING in 100 years. A lot more time is going to need to pass before we have any idea of what either of those facts means for either party I think.
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Sanguinia posted:And more people voted against Trump than have voted for ANYONE OR ANYTHING in 100 years. A lot more time is going to need to pass before we have any idea of what either of those facts means for either party I think. Less than voted for his opponent though. Let’s see if that momentum carries before we run around screaming in panic.
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alpha_destroy posted:7 defections is honestly 4 or 5 more than I expected. I assumed Mitch and Sasse would defect and one of Murkowski or Collins. I was only expecting one defection, which was to be Romney again, so I was surprised that they got 7.
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I'm still baffled by Bill Cassidy's most of all. I know he just won re-election, so he's safe for 6 years, but you'd think that even the most safe of GOP politicians would want to avoid pissing off chuds.
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Rea posted:I'm still baffled by Bill Cassidy's most of all. I know he just won re-election, so he's safe for 6 years, but you'd think that even the most safe of GOP politicians would want to avoid pissing off chuds. Broken clock, twice a day, etc. Even the worst folks can have moments of clarity. Edit: Especially when their personal safety was threatened, like it was on 1/6. I imagine that kind of poo poo can do a number on some people. The rest of the Republicans stared into the abyss, saw it stare back, and had greater fear of future retribution than they felt on Insurrection Day. generic one fucked around with this message at 00:35 on Feb 15, 2021 |
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generic one posted:Edit: Especially when their personal safety was threatened, like it was on 1/6. I imagine that kind of poo poo can do a number on some people. The rest of the Republicans stared into the abyss, saw it stare back, and had greater fear of future retribution than they felt on Insurrection Day. I wonder if that's actually what they're afraid of. If they came that close in the capital, they might be wondering what it might be like back in their home state if they vote to impeach.
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On Terra Firma posted:I wonder if that's actually what they're afraid of. If they came that close in the capital, they might be wondering what it might be like back in their home state if they vote to impeach. Look how quickly the Trumpists turned on his own VP. If it can happen to Mike Pence, it can happen to them.
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Graham wants to impeach Kamala for promoting an organization that was providing bail to BLM arrestees. Lol
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FilthyImp posted:Graham wants to impeach Kamala for promoting an organization that was providing bail to BLM arrestees. Source? Also lol.
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Angry_Ed posted:Source? Also lol. https://nypost.com/2021/02/14/sen-graham-says-kamala-harris-could-be-impeached-if-gop-takes-over-the-house/ He says that Kamala Harris gave some money to a bail fund, so she's now responsible for every crime committed by anyone that bail fund helped forever, and he's sorry for America that it's come to this.
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Mystic Mongol posted:https://nypost.com/2021/02/14/sen-graham-says-kamala-harris-could-be-impeached-if-gop-takes-over-the-house/ lol ok, do it rear end in a top hat, because poo poo like that won't help you win.
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