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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





This is the thread to ask your questions about poker or gambling you were afraid to ask because you're too worried that people will make fun of you.

Well worry no more! Ask away in this thread! This is a safe space, no trolling will be allowed here

Current Rules
* Anybody trolling against a legitimate question someone has will be probated.
* The only question that you should not ask here is to ask whether or not poker is rigged or, "I've noticed that I've run my Kings into Aces way more times than I think is normal" kind of questions.

Here is the answer to that: People are pattern matching machines so anytime something occurs more than once and it's a negative result, they tend to think those events are occurring more often than they actually are.

If you have real evidence, over a large sample size, then feel free to make a new thread about it. But asking that question here may or may not get you a serious answer.

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Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





~~~PLACEHOLDER~~~

marxismftw
Apr 16, 2010

What is the etiquette for tipping dealers in live games (when, how often, how much?)

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

marxismftw posted:

What is the etiquette for tipping dealers in live games (when, how often, how much?)

playing 2/5 i would give them like $1 for a hand i won (postflop) and ill prolly throw em 5 bux if i stack someone. somewhere in there. you could do more or less than this, i just liked regularly tipping dealers instead of waiting on variance to give them more at once.

knuthgrush
Jun 25, 2008

Be brave; clench fists.

Figured I'd post here rather than the 'where is everybody playing' thread so I wouldn't take it off the rails.

Newer player here. My post in that thread explains a little background. I'm looking to get a little more serious about learning the game but I'm not trying to make it a job or anything.

I've been playing on Ignition and I cashed out a while ago. I've got some money I'm going to throw at learning cash games. While waiting on my buttcoin purchases to clear, I found SWC. It looks like it's a little lower volume on micros but I really appreciated the general pseudo-anonymity of it, which leads to my question:

As a newer player still learning the game, is SWC a valid place to play or should I just stick with Ignition? I need to figure out how much 20x max buy in on the smallest tables on SWC are if it's a better option.

I Brake For MILFs
Jan 9, 2007

:syoon:


marxismftw posted:

What is the etiquette for tipping dealers in live games (when, how often, how much?)

Generally a dollar per pot is accepted. It's not mind blowing but you're also not considered a stiff. Dealers are there to make money and are just as degen as most poker players. Your experience and service will be directly related to how you tip. Do what you're comfortable with though.

I've seen players give a whole $200+ pot to a dealer or split a $1000 pot with a dealer. I've seen players throw $100 chips to the dealer just to piss off the people who got felted. I've also seen a guy scoop a $10k pot and tip a dollar. It is what it is.

If the table has good action and everyone is tipping the dealer should be blasting cards out and keeping the game going at a good pace.

Basically, Your experience and service will be directly related to how you tip. That's the business.

Aredna
Mar 17, 2007
Nap Ghost
Is it against the rules to ask for advice on were to find the best initial deposit bonus for a specific site? Seemed ok, but don't want to risk any issues now that the forum is back.

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





Aredna posted:

Is it against the rules to ask for advice on were to find the best initial deposit bonus for a specific site? Seemed ok, but don't want to risk any issues now that the forum is back.

Yes I think that's fine. But anything that will earn money for the person telling you about it (e.g. affiliate links with rakeback or % cuts) are not allowed. So you can ask where can I go to get a 100% bonus? they can say, "go to ABC" but saying, "sign up for with my referrer link on ABC" is not allowed.

What the Admins want to avoid is anything that involves money on the site, which includes commissions/affiliates/rakebacks etc.

Aredna
Mar 17, 2007
Nap Ghost
In that case - anyone know where I can find the best sign up bonus for GG Poker past some googling?

Down With People
Oct 31, 2012

The child delights in violence.
What's the best no-bullshit way to play virtual poker? I'm interested in learning the game but have zero experience. Happy to play against either a computer or other people as long as the game is like, good and stable and not a phishing scam. Based in Australia if that changes anything.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮

Down With People posted:

What's the best no-bullshit way to play virtual poker? I'm interested in learning the game but have zero experience. Happy to play against either a computer or other people as long as the game is like, good and stable and not a phishing scam. Based in Australia if that changes anything.

Are you trying to learn, or wanting to play? If you have zero experience, stick with computer sims. I’m not too big on poker personally but I can say that bad players are only fun if you can take their money and knock them out quickly.

Down With People
Oct 31, 2012

The child delights in violence.

Edward Mass posted:

Are you trying to learn, or wanting to play? If you have zero experience, stick with computer sims. I’m not too big on poker personally but I can say that bad players are only fun if you can take their money and knock them out quickly.

Trying to learn; I don't want to have to lose a bunch of money to find out I actually hate poker.

Is there a recommended computer sim? I know there's a few on Steam.

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.
lol absolutely do not play any type of "poker sim" for any longer than the time it takes to learn what the basic rules are. deposit a small amount you are comfortable losing, probably into Ignition/Bovada because they're the biggest.

except for stuff like pot odds or which hand beats other hands, any type of poker videogame is worse than anything else you could do instead. it's worse than playing for play money, which is also pretty bad, because people dont give a poo poo for $0 but will give some of a poo poo if it's for $1. so yeah you can learn simple concepts but you won't learn anything about playing with people or how much you'll actually like real poker with human beings.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
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Yeah, I understand what you're saying DEBT - half of Poker is reading other players, which is hard to do with a computer. That being said, it's MORE important to remember whether a straight beats a full house or vice-versa.

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

Edward Mass posted:

Yeah, I understand what you're saying DEBT - half of Poker is reading other players, which is hard to do with a computer. That being said, it's MORE important to remember whether a straight beats a full house or vice-versa.

not even that, just that computers will just randomly click buttons and act nowhere near like 99.9% of poker players, and that i don't think you'll even figure out if you like poker by playing against actual random number generators. also that the basic rules are going to be .1% of what you learn about poker and you can do it at play money on whatever site you choose anyway.

Teriyaki Koinku
Nov 25, 2008

Bread! Bread! Bread!

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What do you do with experienced rival poker players that are difficult to read? I'm not great at reading faces/body language/the atmosphere, but there's definitely a difference between casual/newbie players and more experienced/competitive players that I've noticed.

Even after playing with the same players multiple times, it's still hard to read if the experienced players are bluffing or have a hot hand. What can I do to get better at reading people?

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

Teriyaki Koinku posted:

What do you do with experienced rival poker players that are difficult to read? I'm not great at reading faces/body language/the atmosphere, but there's definitely a difference between casual/newbie players and more experienced/competitive players that I've noticed.

Even after playing with the same players multiple times, it's still hard to read if the experienced players are bluffing or have a hot hand. What can I do to get better at reading people?

i think you have two choices here. either learn a lot of poo poo from "body language experts" (probably not a thing, susceptible to fake tells) or get good at extrapolating their tendencies from the actions they take in hands that get to showdown. i don't play a ton of live, but most people who arent poo poo just kind of sit there not moving a lot, and if they have any tells the only way to learn what they mean is also by paying attention to how they played hands that got to showdown, so the second approach probably bears more fruit.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



Teriyaki Koinku posted:

What do you do with experienced rival poker players that are difficult to read? I'm not great at reading faces/body language/the atmosphere, but there's definitely a difference between casual/newbie players and more experienced/competitive players that I've noticed.

Even after playing with the same players multiple times, it's still hard to read if the experienced players are bluffing or have a hot hand. What can I do to get better at reading people?

I used to play a lot live and I'd barely use physical tells when making a decision, especially if the player is good/experienced. Not that you will necessarily be playing against extremely good players, but some as MY INEVITABLE DEBT said can also manipulate these physical tells in order to make you do what they want. Many people know the classic tell about acting strong means you're weak, so some players reverse that tell and act strong when they have a strong hand instead (staring down their opponent, slamming their bets into the pot, etc.) Mainly you probably just want to be focusing on their actions in the hand and in prior hands to try to figure out how they're playing: bet-sizing tells, generally aggression levels, opening/raising ranges, etc.

The one "physical" tell that has been somewhat reliable for me is if people are eating at the table they will generally tighten up their opening/raising ranges. Like for example if a dude just got his hot sandwich is he really going to be squeezing with A4s this time or is he weighted toward more nutted hands since he probably just wants to scarf down his meal? But again, this can be manipulated as well if a player is good.

Mr. Toodles
Jun 22, 2004

I support prison abolition, except for posters without avatars.
Are there any good Omaha 8 training sites? I get that it is not the most popular game in the world, but everything seems really old or just PLO.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK
In hold'em, I know that check-raising is often done with/to indicate a strong hand, but is there any scenario where one would call a bet, get raised by someone to the left, and then re-raise?

MY INEVITABLE DEBT
Apr 21, 2011
I am lonely and spend most of my time on 4Chan talking about the superiority of BBC porn.

Weatherman posted:

In hold'em, I know that check-raising is often done with/to indicate a strong hand, but is there any scenario where one would call a bet, get raised by someone to the left, and then re-raise?

sure it's pretty rare though given how few pots end up multiway and go bet/call and the third guy has something to raise and then we also have something we want to raise. we would have to flat the first bet for some reason, as a trap or because we think the first bettor reacts unfavorably when we ch/r multiway. something like flatting top pair because the first bettor has a range that is polarized, either crushing us or always folding to a raise, where the guy who raised has mostly semibluffs like a flush draw which we want to deny equity to. or we have a set and expect the first bettor to continue betting, but then we get raised and expect the raiser to continue vs further raises. or we have a semibluff hand ourselves that didn't want to raise the first bet for whatever reason and now wants to push the equity we have on the flop vs just flatting again.

so yea, some scenarios but not something you'll see more than a few times.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:

sure it's pretty rare though given how few pots end up multiway and go bet/call and the third guy has something to raise and then we also have something we want to raise. we would have to flat the first bet for some reason, as a trap or because we think the first bettor reacts unfavorably when we ch/r multiway. something like flatting top pair because the first bettor has a range that is polarized, either crushing us or always folding to a raise, where the guy who raised has mostly semibluffs like a flush draw which we want to deny equity to. or we have a set and expect the first bettor to continue betting, but then we get raised and expect the raiser to continue vs further raises. or we have a semibluff hand ourselves that didn't want to raise the first bet for whatever reason and now wants to push the equity we have on the flop vs just flatting again.

so yea, some scenarios but not something you'll see more than a few times.

Cool, thank you! Also topic/username combo

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

I think there's also scenarios involving reads and/or stack sizes, and folds. Player to my right is tight and has a lot more chips than me, he raises and I only want to call, especially with a player to my left yet to act. Player to my left is short-stacked and/or a wild player, he raises. Player to my right folds. Now I'm heads-up which changes my situation significantly, maybe I want to put player to my left all-in, or maybe I think he'll fold to a re-raise and with the player to my right out, I feel comfortable doing so.

I've also done this on pre-flop action, although this may be bad play: I'm early to act and limp in. The entire table limps in except someone late, maybe one of the blinds, who minraises. Really? You gonna minraise when there's nine in the hand, you're giving everyone pot odds to stay in, what are you doing? So now instead of just calling again, I make a big raise, I like my 77 or A9 or whatever but I want to push out in particular the late callers who may have limped in with total junk because I want a lot fewer chances of random junk flops making medium pairs for these later actors. Is this good play? I think so?

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



There are rare scenarios where backraising as a bluff could be a neat play as well.

Like say you’re in the BB with 56s in a multi-way pot on a flop of 357. And then say the SB leads the flop, you call, and UTG who opened preflop raises. SB folds. There can be a good case to make a backraise here as a semibluff because your range can include so many nutted hands here while UTG’s really shouldn’t. You also block some of the unlikely nutted hands in his range like 46s and 55, making it even more difficult for him to continue against a backraise.

It’s villain-dependent because you’re banking on him folding overpairs but I’ve seen it done.

Vinny the Shark
Oct 11, 2005
I'm a complete rookie at playing poker for real money and I've only ever played once at a home poker game. (needless to say, I lost) I play a lot on Zynga poker for fun, but I'd like to dip my toes into playing for real money. Some local bars host small stakes poker games from time to time and I'd like to start there. Any recommendations on some books for a real no kidding beginner like me? I'm mostly interested in playing for fun, but I don't want to be totally dominated and have a little bit of knowledge before jumping in.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Vinny the Shark posted:

I'm a complete rookie at playing poker for real money and I've only ever played once at a home poker game. (needless to say, I lost) I play a lot on Zynga poker for fun, but I'd like to dip my toes into playing for real money. Some local bars host small stakes poker games from time to time and I'd like to start there. Any recommendations on some books for a real no kidding beginner like me? I'm mostly interested in playing for fun, but I don't want to be totally dominated and have a little bit of knowledge before jumping in.

Are they cash or small tournaments?

Vinny the Shark
Oct 11, 2005
I honestly don't know. I think they're cash, but I don't know for sure.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Vinny the Shark posted:

I honestly don't know. I think they're cash, but I don't know for sure.

I was a sit and go (small tournament) specialist, and I never really got much into cash, but I know people recommended Phil Gordon's little green book and ed millers small stakes hold em.

For sit n gos, Colin moshman had a great book, sit n go strategy. Really hit all the basics. I had an issue with one or two of his points, but its pretty solid.

For tournaments in general (but much more the big deep stack slow tournaments), I still think you gotta read Harrington on hold em.

The strategies are significantly different for each game, so you should probably figure out what you are looking to play!

Strong Sauce
Jul 2, 2003

You know I am not really your father.





To add to what Baddog wrote, if you get Ed Miller's book, make sure you get, "Small Stakes No Limit Hold'em" and not "Small Stakes Hold'em", Pretty sure Baddog isn't intentionally trying to get you to buy SSHE, but if you do, you will get information about how to play limit hold em. it's a fine book about limit hold em but you'll probably prefer to play no limit, which is what most of the poker population thinks of when they think of hold'em.

I'm not sure about the quality of SSNLHE, but I bought the first book the trio wrote together >10 years ago, called Professional No-Limit Hold'em Vol 1 and that one was pretty good. That'd probably be the recommended one if SSNLHE had not come out. And yeah to reiterate, it is for cash games.

Not sure what State your in, but it would probably be much harder for a bar to host a cash game vs a tournament so you should make sure. Hell just call them up and ask.

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Strong Sauce posted:

To add to what Baddog wrote, if you get Ed Miller's book, make sure you get, "Small Stakes No Limit Hold'em" and not "Small Stakes Hold'em", Pretty sure Baddog isn't intentionally trying to get you to buy SSHE, but if you do, you will get information about how to play limit hold em. it's a fine book about limit hold em but you'll probably prefer to play no limit, which is what most of the poker population thinks of when they think of hold'em.

I'm not sure about the quality of SSNLHE, but I bought the first book the trio wrote together >10 years ago, called Professional No-Limit Hold'em Vol 1 and that one was pretty good. That'd probably be the recommended one if SSNLHE had not come out. And yeah to reiterate, it is for cash games.

Not sure what State your in, but it would probably be much harder for a bar to host a cash game vs a tournament so you should make sure. Hell just call them up and ask.


oh poo poo, good catch!

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Is there a book recco for PLO?

silvergoose
Mar 18, 2006

IT IS SAID THE TEARS OF THE BWEENIX CAN HEAL ALL WOUNDS




Strong Sauce posted:

To add to what Baddog wrote, if you get Ed Miller's book, make sure you get, "Small Stakes No Limit Hold'em" and not "Small Stakes Hold'em", Pretty sure Baddog isn't intentionally trying to get you to buy SSHE, but if you do, you will get information about how to play limit hold em. it's a fine book about limit hold em but you'll probably prefer to play no limit, which is what most of the poker population thinks of when they think of hold'em.

I'm not sure about the quality of SSNLHE, but I bought the first book the trio wrote together >10 years ago, called Professional No-Limit Hold'em Vol 1 and that one was pretty good. That'd probably be the recommended one if SSNLHE had not come out. And yeah to reiterate, it is for cash games.

Not sure what State your in, but it would probably be much harder for a bar to host a cash game vs a tournament so you should make sure. Hell just call them up and ask.

As a perpetual disliker of big bet games, SSHE is quite good, fwiw, but yes most people are not looking for that.

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


what's the best place to play poker online for fake money (rip yahoo games)

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

nvrgrls posted:

what's the best place to play poker online for fake money (rip yahoo games)

If you don't mind an app/desktop client, Pokerstars

Dans Macabre
Apr 24, 2004


Thank you!

Ghislaine of YOSPOS
Apr 19, 2020

how can I get better at house games? i have a couple regular ones and a new one that’s starting to pick up for real money. a lot of the resources seem to be geared toward playing a shitload of online and tracking your own play. l have Doyle Brunsons Super System and i don’t think i picked up all that much from it other than play suited connectors more.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Are you playing no-limit hold'em? Ring game vs. tournament? The fact it's a house game doesn't really matter much in how you play compared to playing live in a casino, unless the house has weird rules to adapt to. I guess you're less secure with your money so take that into account e.g. how much cash you're comfortable having on you, and maybe there's more legal hazard depending on your state, but I don't see how those things affect like opening ranges or betting strategy.

I learned to play by reading Harrington, the basics are the basics, but nowadays I think everyone is also using software tools to learn sets of opening and betting amounts that are maximally efficient. Playing online does mean you can use software to track all your play without having to manually note down every hand and type it into a computer, which is very convenient.

I also watch a shitload of youtubes. I like Bart Hanson's "crush live poker" series, he does a live callin show every Monday and then records each call and posts it as a separate video with visuals of the card and bet amounts so you can more easily track what was happening. This isn't intro stuff but it's got tons of hand analysis which is useful. He does also have some intro videos, like this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6S8JbC3KWg

Baddog
May 12, 2001

Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:

how can I get better at house games? i have a couple regular ones and a new one that’s starting to pick up for real money. a lot of the resources seem to be geared toward playing a shitload of online and tracking your own play. l have Doyle Brunsons Super System and i don’t think i picked up all that much from it other than play suited connectors more.

Doyle's book is pretty old! I kinda like Harrington on cash, but that's also gotta be getting a bit dated.

I've seen lots of people recommend Phil Gordon's little green book.

Crankit
Feb 7, 2011

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Here's my dumb question, how do I learn to play poker? I'm in the UK so is any particular kind of poker more popular here?

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mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Crankit posted:

Here's my dumb question, how do I learn to play poker? I'm in the UK so is any particular kind of poker more popular here?

In the UK No Limit Holdem is by far the most popular, followed by Pot Limit Omaha. It'll be exceptionally hard to find anything else.

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