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Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
I had to quit a Quarry mission because an endless number of planes kept crashing around me and it became impossible to even leave the quarry through all the wrecks and I could see the planes spawning in the air like someone loaded save states.

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DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

Bit of a correction here - the quarry mission that got removed from the Japanese version of the game was actually the one where you dispose of the bombers' bodies, not the one with the cop and his bike. The latter mission is still in (and the body is said to be fake, so I was right about that but had the wrong mission), so Japanese players can enjoy this wonderful gameplay experience as well! :shepface:

Manic_Misanthrope
Jul 1, 2010


Did Rockstar not want people to do these missions? The rewards are crap!

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY



Episode 33: Familiar Faces (and Maccer)

Note to self: Don't party with any of these guys.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
I don’t know, Kent Paul doesn’t seem too bad a guy. It’s just the company he keeps…

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
I don't think the franchise ever allowed you to jump over fire without being burned.
The freezer in that mission has a special game over if you linger in it. Not like you bother breaking through the vent in the room.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

Now that the entire cast has been introduced (Salvatore hasn't made an appearance yet, but we know what his deal is) and we're done with all the major plot revelations, I can finally post... well, The Introduction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daw8xhaGj2s&t=943s

(click here for higher bitrate version on Rockstar's website)

The Introduction is a 21-minute short film created in the San Andreas engine, released as a bonus DVD with the soundtrack set and the PS2 Special Edition (neither of which I own, so these 360p uploads are the best quality you'll be getting). Taking place in the weeks and days leading up to the beginning of the San Andreas story, it sets up the events we are quite familiar with by now, and while there isn't anything particularly exciting here it's still a neat bonus thing

The Shame Boy
Jan 27, 2014

Dead weight, just like this post.



So it's specifically the Pedestrian Riot cheat that messed up the Madd Dogg mission? For YEARS nobody knew exactly what it was. Some were convinced it was using cheat codes at all while some thought it was just a glitch that specific versions/copies of the game had baked into it because there were reports of people never having cheated that still had Mad Dogg die way before they could even get the truck.

Speaking of cheat codes, does using them still lower your overall rating or whatever it is in the options menu where you can see all your stats? I think it was like -10 points per cheat or something like that.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

The Shame Boy posted:

So it's specifically the Pedestrian Riot cheat that messed up the Madd Dogg mission? For YEARS nobody knew exactly what it was. Some were convinced it was using cheat codes at all while some thought it was just a glitch that specific versions/copies of the game had baked into it because there were reports of people never having cheated that still had Mad Dogg die way before they could even get the truck.
The problem with Madd Dogg and the ped riot cheat specifically is that when you turn off the cheat, the game fails to deactivate the riot AI for a certain type of ped. Madd Dogg happens to be that type, so he tries to come at you and kick your rear end (which, admittedly, is kind of deserved considering the poo poo you did to him earlier) and falls to his death because his AI doesn't realize he's on a rooftop. That's how the glitch works. I also thought it happened if you used too many cheats and could also happen without using cheats at all if you were unlucky, but there was a recent video by Vadim M. talking about various game-breaking bugs in the game that didn't mention either of those scenarios.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L97xXbFnFWM

I'm not going to completely discount the possibility of the Madd Dogg AI glitch happening outside those specific circumstances, but it would be a bit odd considering how his behavior is tied to the riot cheat. It's also odd that Vadim didn't mention that happening, because his breakdowns of this sort of stuff are obscenely detailed and he talks to various GTA modding gurus when making his videos so you can generally assume he knows what he's talking about. I do know that due to the way cheats work on PC, it can be really easy to enable them by accident by pressing the wrong key combination so that might also have something to do with the whole thing.

Zaroff
Nov 10, 2009

Nothing in the world can stop me now!
I can’t remember where I read it, but I’d seen that Fish in a Barrel was supposed to be a mission where you have to escort or chauffeur Ran Fa Li, and someone was trying to stop you. If this were the case, then I wonder if they removed it as it was way to similar to some of the Fierro missions?

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

Zaroff posted:

I can’t remember where I read it, but I’d seen that Fish in a Barrel was supposed to be a mission where you have to escort or chauffeur Ran Fa Li, and someone was trying to stop you. If this were the case, then I wonder if they removed it as it was way to similar to some of the Fierro missions?
The GTA wiki says "This cutscene was supposedly intended to be part of an actual mission, with Woozie arming Carl with a golf club and ordering him to protect Ran Fa Li from a Mafia attack."

There are no sources backing up that claim and someone even wrote a Kotaku article about Fish in a Barrel and the lack of any evidence pointing to it ever being part of a mission, so my guess is that this is just fan speculation that got repeated a bunch. Even if it were true, that mission would have been pretty stupid and unfun. Yeah, thanks a lot for giving me a golf club to fend off these heavily armed mobsters, Woozie. If you don't mind, I'll use this minigun instead.

The wiki also claims the Four Dragons casino was originally meant to become an asset after Fish in a Barrel, which does make sense because of course it should become an asset after that. I really don't know why it doesn't.

Zaroff
Nov 10, 2009

Nothing in the world can stop me now!
It almost feels like Venturas was an afterthought or a panicked running out of time rush - from the multiple strands in Los Santos, it’s a shame to be reduced to basically two strands in the other cities (Woozie and the Loco Syndicate in Fierro, and the heist and Mafia missions in Venturas).

I don’t know if this has been gone into detail elsewhere, but was San Andreas only going to be Los Santos and the Badlands a la GTA V, and then when they realized they could add Fierro and Venturas they did so?

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

You probably shouldn't be watching these at work in the first place, but I'll still stick an :nws: on this one for the Millie mission.



Episode 34: Dam and Blast

I'm not sure what's worse - CJ's plans or the fact they all end up working perfectly.

"Key to Her Heart" is a scenario that wouldn't really have looked out of place in some R-rated early-00s comedy film or South Park or stuff like that, but it's a bit on the :yikes: side these days. Also, if the Hot Coffee content is enabled, you actually have to... well, perform or you fail the mission. That's how I found out a friend of mine had the mod installed on his game back in 2005, which was a little awkward. :v: (The minigame in this mission was actually really difficult as well, so we ended up disabling the mod)

ChaosArgate
Oct 10, 2012

Why does everyone think I'm going to get in trouble?

Everything about that scenario feels real bad and I hate it

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Yeah, there's no way this whole casino robbery thing will go off without a hitch. Or several dozen hitches, as the case may be.

Balla Influence- Good to know that in Japan, CJ is keeping up Ryder's tradition of beating down anyone wearing Balla colors.

There's probably a deggy point on that wall the security guy keeps checking. If you don't know what that is, it's a system of barcodes or other data scan point devices security guards have to scan to prove to clients they're walking their patrol routes. I put up with such systems for my six year security career and they suck. Thankfully, I'm no longer in that industry. IRL, they can be found in much more nonsensical places than walls like that one. Sometimes I spent more of my patrol looking for them than responding to actual crime.

I too look forward to Lost Judgment and hope to God the tailing missions have improved. Also, if the Keihin Gang is still in the game, God help the developers. It's ok if they've been replaced by another gang with a similar mechanic, but if it's the same gang, they will seriously make me go nuts.

Zaroff
Nov 10, 2009

Nothing in the world can stop me now!
Surprisingly, messing up the dialogue with the receptionist doesn’t fail the mission - you can just go back and restart it from the beginning.

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
These missions reek of rush job. Why is CJ even bothering with this when his brother is still in jail? Remember your brother, CJ?

rchandra
Apr 30, 2013


I feel like "somebody snuck into the power station and massacred all the employees" should trigger some searching and discover the explosives. But the stealth mechanics in this game aren't good enough to let them just fail you for breaking cover so thankfully they didn't try.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!

Scalding Coffee posted:

These missions reek of rush job. Why is CJ even bothering with this when his brother is still in jail? Remember your brother, CJ?

Hey man, robbing Caligula's Casino will help Woozie out.

Yeah, I agree, though, it would be cooler if Toreno or someone was asking us to do it too.

"Rob that casino, CJ, or I'll arrange for your brother to meet Horse-dick Harry and send them a tub of lube."

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

Alright, so it looks like YouTube decided to remove the latest video due to "violent or graphic content" but in a surprise twist, my appeal instantly went through and the video was reinstated.

Albu-quirky Guy
Nov 8, 2005

Still stuck in the Land of Entrapment
Are you sure they didn't remove it because of the cameo of two copies of Hamster Love 3 on the XXX video rack at 12:50?

Albu-quirky Guy fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Jun 11, 2021

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

Albu-quirky Guy posted:

Are you sure they didn't remove it because of the cameo of two copies of Hamster Love 3 on the XXX video rack at 12:52?
No, they specifically said it violated the guidelines for violent and graphic content because presumably one of their robots went "BEEP BOOP VIOLENT AND/OR GRAPHIC CONTENT DETECTED."

The video was reinstated within seconds of my appeal, so I assume an actual person looked at it, saw the title and immediately realized the violence was obviously fictional and thus didn't violate any guidelines.

edit: I put an age restriction on the video just in case

Albu-quirky Guy
Nov 8, 2005

Still stuck in the Land of Entrapment

DMorbid posted:

No, they specifically said it violated the guidelines for violent and graphic content because presumably one of their robots went "BEEP BOOP VIOLENT AND/OR GRAPHIC CONTENT DETECTED."

The video was reinstated within seconds of my appeal, so I assume an actual person looked at it, saw the title and immediately realized the violence was obviously fictional and thus didn't violate any guidelines.

edit: I put an age restriction on the video just in case

I was being semi-facetious; really I just wanted to call to everyone's attention the fact that not only did someone in this universe film a porn called "Hamster Love," they somehow also got funding and distribution for at least two more sequels.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

Albu-quirky Guy posted:

I was being semi-facetious; really I just wanted to call to everyone's attention the fact that not only did someone in this universe film a porn called "Hamster Love," they somehow also got funding and distribution for at least two more sequels.
Yeah, I figured as much. I just thought I'd clarify that this had nothing to do with any of the weird horny bits in the video.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Scalding Coffee posted:

These missions reek of rush job. Why is CJ even bothering with this when his brother is still in jail? Remember your brother, CJ?
This game feels like it has two completely unrelated stories awkwardly stitched together. Like maybe they were working on two games at once and decided to combine them.

There's some stuff that's loosely justified as being related to the original story, but there's other stuff that just seems like a completely different story, to the point that I have to remind myself that this is still the same game. Especially because of how long it is. I actually just looked it up and this game has 104 missions, as compared with 51 in GTA3 and 22 in GTA4. I'd always assumed I must have managed to get around half way through GTASA when I played it back in the day, but I wasn't even close. This game is huge.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

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Tiggum posted:

I actually just looked it up and this game has 104 missions, as compared with 51 in GTA3 and 22 in GTA4.
GTA IV has 88 missions (i.e. way too loving many considering how samey they are - at least SA changes things up quite a bit). 22 is the number of missions in the Lost and Damned DLC, while the Ballad of Gay Tony DLC has 26.

Zedd
Jul 6, 2009

I mean, who would have noticed another madman around here?



Tiggum posted:

22 in GTA4.

That can't be right, right? GTA4 was a p solid intro followed by the usual GTA stuff on the middle island and then an endless unrelated mobster movie tacked on at the end that felt like it lasted forever.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


DMorbid posted:

GTA IV has 88 missions (i.e. way too loving many considering how samey they are - at least SA changes things up quite a bit). 22 is the number of missions in the Lost and Damned DLC, while the Ballad of Gay Tony DLC has 26.

Ah, my mistake (but I'll blame Google). Still a reduction from SA, which was a massive increase on GTA3. SA is still huge.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Hamster Love- it could be a metaphorical title. I hear hamsters reproduce quite a bit. One popular British way to call someone’s mother promiscuous is to call her a hamster. For bonus points, you can also say their father smelled of elderberries (which means he was drunk, elderberries are used to preserve wine). So the films may have nothing to do with bestiality.

Ignatius M. Meen
May 26, 2011

Hello yes I heard there was a lovely trainwreck here and...

achtungnight posted:

Hamster Love- it could be a metaphorical title. I hear hamsters reproduce quite a bit. One popular British way to call someone’s mother promiscuous is to call her a hamster. For bonus points, you can also say their father smelled of elderberries (which means he was drunk, elderberries are used to preserve wine). So the films may have nothing to do with bestiality.

isn't that more of a french thing?

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

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Episode 35: Greatest Plan Ever

Um... CJ? What if we, say, kicked down the door to Caligula's, blasted our way through, and ran off with the cash instead of doing all this? (Also, wow, the second mission really is just like fighting Berkley because there's even a rooftop minigun segment!)

Scalding Coffee
Jun 26, 2006

You're already dead
I am glad that Saints Row basically parodied this series of missions with guns blazing.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

I still can't get over how poorly conceived everything about the Cop Wheels mission is.

Why are there suddenly only four police bikes in the entirety of San Andreas when normally at least two will pop up behind you every time you even think about doing something illegal? Why do we have a time limit? The brief says the truck "leaves soon" but gently caress that, just keep going! Why do the bikes disappear when the timer runs out? Why can't we take any of the million police bikes that immediately spawn after we fail the mission? Why doesn't the guy driving the truck slow down on the side of the road to let CJ off safely? Why isn't the truck just parked in some safe location instead of blasting down the ring road in the first place? Why do we even need the truck? We bring all kinds of illegal poo poo to Four Dragons all the time and nobody cares! This mission sucks.

DMorbid fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jun 14, 2021

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
Do real life sky cranes have that much security? In the early 1990s? And don’t get me started on the time my PlayStation decided to suddenly abandon the sky crane’s magnetic settings and drop the van from high up for no apparent reason.

Also, I should mention that only the Leviathan copter you get for this mission even has the magnet attached. Other copters of this type which spawn later don’t feature it. You need to save the specific copter from the mission to keep the magnet. And even then it didn’t work properly for many players outside the mission. So no, you can’t go around picking up vehicles after this mission is over. Not even if you think it sounds like fun.

achtungnight fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Jun 14, 2021

Poil
Mar 17, 2007

achtungnight posted:

Do real life sky cranes have that much security? In the early 1990s?
I think that was more because CJ decided the best one to steal belonged to the military and was inside one of their fuel depots.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

I'm getting the strong impression that this chain of missions is CJ wanting to do action movie heist poo poo and his friends just humouring him. I'm pretty sure the original motivation behind the heist was to help drive the Mafia out of Venturas (or at least show them the Triad aren't to be messed with) and CJ just kind of ran away with it.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY



Episode 36: Saint Mark's Bistro

Hey, this place looks kinda familiar.

achtungnight
Oct 5, 2014
I get my fun here. Enjoy!
I didn’t know about the map outer boundaries corrupting data issues DM mentions. That adds another layer to an already complicated mission that stretches suspension of disbelief. Other videos of the game have mentioned how implausible flying over and dropping into one plane from another is. But I guess it works by video game logic. As does shooting and taking cover from only one position in a gunfight. That was a death sentence during the mock gunfights we did at the private police academy I attended some years back (long time ago, I’ve since changed careers), you’d think it would be the same against pro hit men even with the element of surprise.

Almost as unbelievable- Tenpenny and Pulaski wearing their uniforms while on a Venturas vacation and then outdoor grilling without an apron. Good way to get a lot of actual stains on the uniform to go with the metaphoricals!

I did not know you could complete that dossier retrieval mission using that method. Cool.

See you, Pulaski! Nice job on the Liberty City mission too , DM.

rchandra
Apr 30, 2013


Can you fly to pick up the sky crane? I don't remember that combat gauntlet but might just be getting old.

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Poil
Mar 17, 2007

Possibly? But you're going to get shot at from all over the place so if you're in a helicopter it's going to take a lot of damage. Jetpack might work better but you're still going to take more damage than doing it on foot. You're also not likely to have fun taking off with that slow and sluggish skycrane if you haven't cleared out the guards.

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