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are we also discussing the Metaphor game here or will we make a new thread for that or just use the general Megaten thread for it
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There doesn't seem to be any sort of fusion mechanic in Metaphor, everyone seems to just have a base class. There might be some sort of swap mechanic, or specialization thingy, though. Given the story dialogue mentions a competition for the most beloved person to be the next king, and the social stats forming a crown, I wonder if there might be more of a focus on social stats than dungeon crawling in the 'main story', as it were. They might be shifting to more of an Atelier thingy, with sub-goals you need to meet but can meet in any way you like as long as it gets met.
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Jun 12, 2023 04:20
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Item Getter posted:The not-personas seem to be called "Archetypes". The room with the big gold statue looks like this game's equivalent of the Velvet Room and there's an option there for "Learn Archetypes" which is presumably where you get new ones by fusion or some other method. there are almost certainly going to be less Archetypes than there are Personas if only because the Archetypes have very 'class'-y names, like Thief and Knight and so forth. Heck, if you look at this screenshot:  there's a concrete description of either the Seeker class the protag's rocking, or the Protag in general: "Learns a wide array of versatile skills including Wind magic, single-target healing and attack buffs". Maybe Archetypes will let you add some customization on top of a more specialized skillset ala the Q games, maybe it's more of a Bravely Default thing where you can mix and match Archetypes and play around.
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Jun 12, 2023 21:32
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At 0:42 in the trailer, there's a skill list but it's under the "Synthesis" option with the "team up" subheader, and in the bottom right both MC and the grey-haired dude, Strohl with the Warrior Archetype are lit up red. There's wind magic and Matarukaja in the options which line up with that description but I'm assuming those are stronger combo attacks like Fusion Spells in Digital Devil Saga, possibly with the stipulation that who leads/starts is important rather than both members being able to activate the same combo. Then again, this is initiated by the rabbit character Heismay's turn. So who knows? Also Archetypes have ranks but there doesn't seem to be any character levels.
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Jun 12, 2023 23:34
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if you pause the video when the not-Social Links show up, you can see it's segmented into 8 pieces, not 10.
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Jun 13, 2023 03:10
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an LPer I like who did a quick thoughts on/reaction video on the three big reveals found this screenshot: If you'll notice, all four party members have different Archetypes. Granted, two of them could be DLC classes that shout out to their other recent games (Trickster and Soul Hacker?) but the interesting thing is that Hulkenberg and Heismay's symbols for Paladin and Ninja look like slightly fancier versions of their Knight and Thief archetypes. Maybe it's less of a class free for all and more of a web/tree, where you can unlock more advanced Archetypes by mastering base ones? More FFT than FFV, as it were.
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Jun 14, 2023 01:33
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do we know if the soundtrack will just be remixes and updates of the classic tracks with a few new songs, or completely original
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Jun 17, 2023 08:24
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Gonna be honest like 80% of the good voice acting comes from Grant George, Liam O'Brien, Tara Platt and Yuri Lownethal-Fuuka has been named, but honestly Ken is also pretty dire too
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Jun 26, 2023 23:53
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Yeah like just off the top my head, play Infamous Second Son, her Fetch is pretty far removed from her Rise
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Jun 27, 2023 05:02
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Do accents count for different voices from the same guy? Yuri Lowenthal's fake British accent isn't perfect and you can still tell that it's him but he uses it well in Odin Sphere.
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Jun 27, 2023 23:48
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my worst fear is that they'll try and make some in-universe explanation for how Junpei's Agidyne at Jin during the scene where Chidori dies works even though in-game, he/Moros repels Fire.
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Jul 2, 2023 00:58
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Metaphor drops on PS4, 5 and PC in addition to the XBOX platforms.
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Jul 4, 2023 00:13
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mmkay posted:I think Q2 eases off a little bit and doesn't quite turn him and Chie into protein/meat elementals. Didn't it turn Yusuke into a hunger elemental tho
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Jul 5, 2023 00:18
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https://twitter.com/MbKKssTBhz5/status/1680718254334001153 Well that's one way Metaphor's setting itself apart from Persona.
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Jul 18, 2023 02:17
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"YOU'RE NOT ME"
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Jul 18, 2023 21:12
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Koromaru/Cerberus didn't have Getsu-ei in any of the skill sets he had in the earlier versions of P3, so it looks like skill sets will be lightly remixed a bit.
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Aug 23, 2023 09:58
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i wanna buy it because it's cool and fun and i wanna play Persona 3 but with the quality of life stuff from 5
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Aug 23, 2023 20:29
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Yeah I said this before but we have a bit of footage showing Koromaru using Getsu-ei, a physical skill he never learned in any of the three P3 versions we've gotten, so skill lists are getting remixed at least a hair.
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Sep 19, 2023 06:45
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Imp: I like it when there's friction between party members in the mechanics Imp: also doesn't like the part of the game where the party members actually come to heads and disagree about a course of action in The Answer contradictory much? /joking joking joking not serious not serious not serious
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Sep 21, 2023 00:30
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The Theurgia mechanic and Metaphor might be Atlus trying to experiment with some new ideas in a safe space (a remake and an original IP) before they head in a new direction with P6, it comes to mind.
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Sep 21, 2023 01:10
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The fact of the matter is that with no Marie or Kasumi equivalent in sight, I assume that the game's new story material will be expansions of existing stuff rather than anything created out of whole cloth 'newly'.
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Sep 21, 2023 05:49
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I'd be fine with having them be fought more. As it stands, you have the one fight with Takaya and Jin before Hanged Man, the one-off with Chidori in front of Tartarus, then the two individual fights with Jin and Takaya in Tartarus. I'd say... one fight with them before Justice and Chariot could work. Maybe at least one fight with all three?
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Sep 21, 2023 06:34
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True enough point on that front. Yunno what could work? A villain mini campaign where you play as the three of them.
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Sep 21, 2023 06:43
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Strega and Ikutsuki VA hard confirms:
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Sep 22, 2023 00:00
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I definitely got the vibe that Akiren was snarkier than Yu, and Yu could be seriously snarky when he wanted to be.
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Oct 9, 2023 04:02
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wait are we talking OP animation quality or OP song quality because I thought Dark Sun ruled as a song
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Oct 10, 2023 03:15
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Zeno Robinson is cool, cuz he was Hunter on Owl House and Haruki from the Ultraman Z dub and Fogado from the latest Fire Emblem.
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Oct 17, 2023 03:06
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There's always been some. Yukari, Mitsuru and Fuuka were always party members with S Links.
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Oct 17, 2023 05:30
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there's a reason he's one of the non-Igor characters who returns in both P4 and 5, if only to sell stuff!
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Oct 17, 2023 09:33
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li5pPkBdyXI Akihiko trailer.
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Oct 24, 2023 05:25
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD3TUAnYyME Looks like there are new on-field navigator skills, including one that makes you undetectable by enemies for your current floor.
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Nov 7, 2023 01:54
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Revolutionize Your Heart rules and i can't wait to hear a full version.
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Nov 9, 2023 21:42
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If you're interested in unused content, this Let's Player I follow just dropped a really good overview of Persona 5's, (spoilers for base and Royal BTW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjAIpI85fjA
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Dec 20, 2023 04:52
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He immediately befriended the track fuckup! Like attracts like, you know.
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Dec 30, 2023 20:42
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By the way (and if you follow the Megaten thread, this will be old news), I've been doing some amateur analysis of new Metaphor info and it's been said to be okay to discuss here, so I'm going to share some screenshots, info, and a few things I've noted. Firstly, we got some broad lore info, as well as bios of our first five party members. quote:A world separate from our own, inhabited by eight tribes. Some additional context on the "Humans" thing. In Japanese, you can gloss words with extra secondary meanings, one way having a word expressed via kanji to be read via katakana'd English. For "Humans", they use 'ningen', the Japanese word for 'people', but gloss it with 'Homo', as in 'homo sapiens'. 'Homo' is also used in some English-using screenshots, I'll provide one for posterity.  They are also, in a bit of trivia, inspired by the works of Hieronymus Bosch, a fantasy Dutch/Netherlandish painter from the Renaissance era. Anyway, onto our first protags: quote:Hero (CV: Natsuki Hanae) I'm not too versed in JP VAs, but Akio Otsuka is familiar to me: he's Japanese Solid Snake. So Heismay isn't gonna have a cutesy mascot voice. Come the dub I definitely expect something in the DC Douglas/Keith Silverstein/Patrick Seitz/Jamieson Price range. ------------------------------------------ Delineating official info with stuff that, while using official sources, is more speculative and analytical, and may not be true come release. So, eight tribes. Elda's unique, but our party starts with 3 tribe members in the group. In a bit in the second trailer, the one with an English dub, there's a bit where Junah (a girl with a fivehead that puts Haru to shame) saying a line that ends with "but it's thanks to you that I awakened my Archetyp(e)". (it cuts off before the e arrives but that's clearly what it's called.) Archtypes being our not-Persona. So she's also a party member. in a Japanese stream, we also get this image from an anime cutscene:  Junah's the blonde girl in the back, and given her big eyes, she's our Nydian party member. In addition to her, we have a girl with a third eye in the center of her forehead, which would make her our Mutsutari, and the person in the suit to the right back, who has something just above Hulkenberg's ear. that might be the pole of a spear, but it could also be a tail, which would track for Palipas. We also have this girl named Maria, who has wings, marking her as Ichthyian, though we have no hard confirm that she is in the party, she might just be an NPC with a bond, or a shopkeeper. Lastly, this bit from the trailer:  He's got an Archetype and he's in the party, and his age would put him as the Rogue member. Another thing. We've seen some more classes here and there. Here's a list of everything I've seen on everyone: MC: Seeker, Brawler, Soul Hacker Strohl: Warrior, Trickster Hulkenberg: Knight, Healer, Paladin Heismay: Thief, Ninja Old Man: Mage The fact that Hulkenberg has more than one 'class', and that Healer sounds pretty different in terms of what it would do than Knight, seems to indicate that we aren't operating on Persona principles where you have a set thing you do and you only get better at it. But I also don't think that we just have a FF 5/Crystal Project sort of system where anyone can do anything, either, because otherwise we wouldn't have more party members than battle slots through Junah and Old Man. My guess is that every character has a small web of classes, and while there might be overlaps (Old Man could pick up Healer, for instance), everyone does have some degree of 'classes unique to them'. Connected to this, we have a battle victory screen.  EXP and Money are expected, and A-EXP (Archetype) would track with some other images we have of classes having levels. But... "Mag"? coming from Persona, and thus, SMT, the obvious answer would be "magnetite" but I don't think it's that.  This is from an earlier trailer and I think it's the keystone of this Archetypes-as-classes theory. Lastly, a few neat screenshots that elaborate on characters and give us some early insight into their personalities.  Strohl seems to have a supportive 'cool older brother' vibe going on.  Hulkenberg, meanwhile, seems to be a bit of a hardass. Definitely get Mitsuru vibes from her, though with more of a focus on being strong/tough/disciplined.  Gallica being cute.  Heismay seems to be kneading some dough here, and it looks like his personality has a flair for the dramatic. --------------------------------------- Lemme know if you have any thoughts, counter-analysis, theories, etc. It's not easy playing amateur game journalist.
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I'd be amused if people started shipping her with Heismay just because you can do the ship name combination thingy and get Heisenberg for easy Breaking Bad jokes.
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Dec 31, 2023 23:24
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Someone else shared some extra info they had found on the Archetype system, quoting them directly and using their screenshots: ---------------------------------- Characters don't seem locked to a specific class line. Here is a screenshot featuring MC with "Dealer", Strohl with "Monk", and Hulkenberg with "Mage".  In another interview (unsure if it's been translated) it's stated that you awaken new Archetypes through bonds with people. Back in the very first video interview with Hashino a few months back there were a bunch of clips playing in the background. In them we can see the protagonist unlocking the "Healer" archetype by strengthening his bond with Maria, as well as gaining the "Brawler" archetype by strengthening his bond with the pink haired knight named Catherine.  Here we can see the screen where you select Archetypes. We can see that the Archetypes are broken up into what looks like categories with some sort of progression system, either through continuing the bond with the character you obtained them from or maybe just mastering that Archetype with a character, or both. In the first trailer there are brief moments where we can see the protagonist with "Magic Seeker" and Hulkenberg with "Magic Knight" equipped, which also suggests this. This looks like an early game screenshot where we can see Strohl with the "Fighter" archetype equipped (I believe this is the same Archetype as the Warrior one we see in English trailers, just a different name), with the cell directly next to it having a ? on it. Further up in the chart two cells are highlighted blue and red, most likely the protagonist's Seeker and Hulkenberg's Knight. ------------------------------------
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Looking at that grid, it reminds me a lot of Digital Devil Saga 2's skill tree. It looks like there are a bunch of small individual sections/segments, but there are also areas where they're too close for them to tesselate perfectly. So, I assume that each small segment connects to one Bond, and mastering that class is more for letting you carry over useful skills to other classes than anything else. I'd also assume that after a party member joins, they'll get a Rank 1 bond pretty quickly that would let you access their 'base' class (Warrior for Strohl, Knight for Hulkenberg, Thief for Heismay). Still, that begs a question: Why are there more party member slots than there are party members (old man, Junah) if everyone's customizable in the FF5/Bravely Default vein? My best guess would be, well, like Digital Devil Saga: Everyone has a unique statline that makes them more suited for certain roles, like Heat having good Strength, and Argilla having high Magic. Also, given the Bond screen has a circle divided into 8ths, but each segment having at most 4 hexagons, I don't think every rank will give a new Archetype.
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Jan 2, 2024 04:10
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oh this is fun for me. I like playing mini-Gamexplain. I have fun theorizing and analyzing.
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Your Uncle Dracula posted:I would watch Junpei's video. That's genuinely sweet, thank you. Anyway, it turns out that there's a lot you can notice going back to the original trailer with additional context. Like, the Mutsutari girl can be seen making a bond with the MC, as well as that Catherine girl mentioned, who if her ears and tail are any indication, is a Palipas. I would also like to note that while Catherine, a businessman-looking person with white hair, the Mutsutari girl (if you go frame by frame you can see the name "Eupha" pop up under the wheel) and the white-haired beret-wearer who controls Archetypes in that menu go for a handshake in the Bond-forming bit, Maria and the MC go for a pinky promise thingy, which is just so adorable. Anyway, looking at the grid, it looks like there are about 14 segments of connected Hexagons. Strohl Hulkenberg Heismay Junah Maria Catherine Eupha Beret Dude Businessman Old Man Party Member Palipas Party Member Gallica That's 12. I'm not sure where the MC's Seeker class comes from, maybe it'll be a self-bond, or a bond with the Prince they're trying to save, or maybe it's with Beret Dude as the 'first' Archetype, or Gallica, but there's about two more bonds, probably.
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