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smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure

Chuka Umana posted:

I think people get upset when the academy prioritizes recognizing actual artistic achievement instead of just chasing trends.

Cmon man

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CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
How racist do you gotta be to catch a probe in c/d, because give him credit, he's certainly playing it subtle.

Harlock
Jan 15, 2006

Tap "A" to drink!!!

Anthony Hopkins joins Marcia Gay Harden and Marisa Tomei for winning only the Oscar and no other major awards

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

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True but to be fair they had very little to work with this year. Minari was the only film I wanted to see win big and I guess Soul. Although I want to see Sound of Metal now.

My Face When
Nov 28, 2012

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Trends, sure, but its also precedented. It made sense. Boseman was poised, even with so many heavy hitters this year. Ill accept the Hopkins win though.

Im still miffed about Viola though. Where's her drat coca-cola?

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo
Minari is still the last film I have yet to see. I think I might wait until the blu ray comes out.

Good year for Asian representation. Was happy to see Zhao recognized before she goes into the Marvel machine even though I wasn't too hot over Nomadland

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
They were so confident in Chadwick winning that they literally rearranged the categories to have this big emotional catharsis close the show. Instead it goes to a guy who already won, didn't even bother showing up, and they awkwardly cut to the credits. What an incredible self-own.

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo

My Face When posted:

Trends, sure, but its also precedented. It made sense. Boseman was poised, even with so many heavy hitters this year. Ill accept the Hopkins win though.

Im still miffed about Viola though. Where's her drat coca-cola?

Yes she was definitely better than McDermott. I can dramatically look at nature too!!

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo

Benne posted:

They were so confident in Chadwick winning that they literally rearranged the categories to have this big emotional catharsis close the show. Instead it goes to a guy who already won, didn't even bother showing up, and they awkwardly cut to the credits. What an incredible self-own.

Getting flashbacks to Hillary's fireworks show in 2016.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Riz Ahmed should have won if they weren't giving it to Chadwick, Sound of Metal is incredible

I loved or liked a lot of the films up for something this year so I honestly didn't even have much to complain about for once in an Oscar season, so of course the Academy has to gently caress it at the very end

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure

Chuka Umana posted:


Good year for Asian representation. Was happy to see Zhao recognized before she goes into the Marvel machine even though I wasn't too hot over Nomadland

Really hope she manages to do the thing where she uses Marvel money to make other actually good movies, but not optimistic, don’t think I’ve seen anyone pull it off yet

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Nov 28, 2012

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What is Zhao directing in the MCU?

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.
Also in a year when people of color were favored in every acting category, balking and handing it to the oldest, whitest people nominated in both the mains is not a great look.

My Face When posted:

What is Zhao directing in the MCU?
The Eternals, currently due out in... September I think?

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure

My Face When posted:

What is Zhao directing in the MCU?

Eternals

Chuka Umana
Apr 30, 2019

by sebmojo
Rumor has it that Chadwick's tribute would've had Fight Song as its musical accompaniment

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Nov 28, 2012

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Oh! I am actually looking forward to that one and i really hope Zhao will pull it off.

CapnAndy
Feb 27, 2004

Some teeth long for ripping, gleaming wet from black dog gums. So you keep your eyes closed at the end. You don't want to see such a mouth up close. before the bite, before its oblivion in the goring of your soft parts, the speckled lips will curl back in a whinny of excitement. You just know it.

My Face When posted:

Oh! I am actually looking forward to that one and i really hope Zhao will pull it off.
It's a hell of a swing considering Marvel's never made the Eternals work in the comics, but I am not betting against the "hey here's a CGI raccoon and tree and their D-list buddies, they are your favorite characters now" studio.

smug n stuff
Jul 21, 2016

A Hobbit's Adventure

Chuka Umana posted:

Rumor has it that Chadwick's tribute would've had Fight Song as its musical accompaniment

This is really dumb trolling. Ma Rainey was a good movie and Boseman’s performance was really powerful. It wouldn’t have just been woke poo poo or whatever to give him best actor

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

CapnAndy posted:

It's a hell of a swing considering Marvel's never made the Eternals work in the comics, but I am not betting against the "hey here's a CGI raccoon and tree and their D-list buddies, they are your favorite characters now" studio.

All I know is it’s the movie that forced Jacked Kumail onto us

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Nov 28, 2012

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CapnAndy posted:

It's a hell of a swing considering Marvel's never made the Eternals work in the comics, but I am not betting against the "hey here's a CGI raccoon and tree and their D-list buddies, they are your favorite characters now" studio.

I mean James Gunn deserves all the praise for making GotG even remotely financially and critically viable.

My 70 year old dad loves the movies. He loves Rocket.

I think Fiege is running a tight ship.

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Nov 28, 2012

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Henchman of Santa posted:

All I know is it’s the movie that forced Jacked Kumail onto us

Are you saying this like its a bad thing?

Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010

My Face When posted:

Are you saying this like its a bad thing?

Yes. Kumail making the Dreamworks face while his abs somehow also made the Dreamworks face haunted me.

oneforthevine
Sep 25, 2015


smug n stuff posted:

This is really dumb trolling. Ma Rainey was a good movie and Boseman’s performance was really powerful. It wouldn’t have just been woke poo poo or whatever to give him best actor

I think the comment’s more about the hubris of putting the Best Actor category last thinking Boseman would surely win. It reminded me of 2016 too.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


My Face When posted:

Are you saying this like its a bad thing?

He's straight up said before that at times it made him feel like he wanted to die, between the effort and pain it took to get that look and the training and dieting it took to maintain that look

Rob McElhenney's comments on his similar transformation are what I think about most whenever that comes up
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnXtEz1BLFP/?utm_source=ig_embed

Rob posted:

Look, it’s not that hard. All you need to do is lift weights six days a week, stop drinking alcohol, don’t eat anything after 7pm, don’t eat any carbs or sugar at all, in fact just don’t eat anything you like, get the personal trainer from Magic Mike, sleep nine hours a night, run three miles a day, and have a studio pay for the whole thing over a six to seven month span. I don’t know why everyone’s not doing this. It’s a super realistic lifestyle and an appropriate body image to compare oneself to.

Or Zac Efron

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Nov 28, 2012

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Chris James 2 posted:

He's straight up said before that at times it made him feel like he wanted to die, between the effort and pain it took to get that look and the training and dieting it took to maintain that look

Rob McElhenney's comments on his similar transformation are what I think about most whenever that comes up
https://www.instagram.com/p/BnXtEz1BLFP/?utm_source=ig_embed


Or Zac Efron


Oh drat. I didn't realize.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
Even if you think Hopkins was a more deserving winner, that's not really the point here -- it's just a total fuckup from the producers. If the winners were the exact same but BP went on last like always, then at least we get an actual speech to close the show and people are too busy retweeting McDormand's howl to get mad about Chadwick losing. It was a baffling decision in real time and looks embarrassing in hindsight.

graventy
Jul 28, 2006

Fun Shoe
Da 5 Bloods wasn't good but it had excellent acting and Chadwick and Delroy should both have been nominated and won for that.

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Nov 28, 2012

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According to twitter, there was a NFT tribute for Chadwick in the gift bags, so...uh...

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010

My Face When posted:

According to twitter, there was a NFT tribute for Chadwick in the gift bags, so...uh...

One that was just a flipped pre-made asset, yes.

Lol ban NFTs forever.

twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level
I saw all the BP nominations but didn't see Ma Rainey.

IMO "Sound of metal" and "The father" are the must see movies this year and one of them should have won best picture. Minari would have been good, but watching Minari isn't going to make you think about the farming of korean vegetables in Arkansas in the way sound of metal will make you think about the next person you see with cochlear implants or how the father will make you think about the next person who forgot what you told them five minutes ago.

Nomadland winning was pretty meh.

Frances McDormand winning best actress is extreme make-up. Her character way originally modeled directly on Linda May, but they CHANGED THE CHARACTER TO MAKE IT MORE LIKE FRANCES MCDORMAND.

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Henchman of Santa
Aug 21, 2010
It was really funny that the BP clip for Nomadland didn't feature McDormand saying anything

Vegetable
Oct 22, 2010

Yeah they probably shouldn't have scheduled the award with the absent winner to go last but Hopkins was good as gently caress. This is hardly a case of an undeserving winner.

On that note, Promising Young Women's screenplay was hugely uneven. The premise was great but it clearly needed a few more rewrites. Minari should have won.

All of them pale in comparison to Parasite, Marriage Story and Knives Out, though. 2019 was a good year.

VoodooXT
Feb 24, 2006
I want Tong Po! Give me Tong Po!

Chuka Umana posted:

It felt like rich UCLA film school Hollywood liberals trying to depict a culture they don't understand.

Probably because Chloe Zhao comes from money :ssh:.

Also lol, I said the same thing about Beasts of the Southern Wild except for that I said "It's a rich white NYU student's depiction of poor black folk".

Prince Myshkin
Jun 17, 2018

VoodooXT posted:

Probably because Chloe Zhao comes from money :ssh:.

Also lol, I said the same thing about Beasts of the Southern Wild except for that I said "It's a rich white NYU student's depiction of poor black folk".

The rapturous reception that movie got disgusted me. Poverty porn with fairy tale gloss.

Calamity Brain
Jan 27, 2011

California Dreamin'

Honestly, not too surprised by that Best Actor win. I haven't seen The Father but there was a lot of hints that there was going to be this "No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded" effect where a lot of the voters thought "I know Boseman is going to win anyways, but I voted for Hopkins because he was really good in that movie."

edit: I feel like a lot of people are reacting like the Oscars is one guy or some panel that convenes and jointly picks a winner, but it's just a ton of voters. You're always going to get weird effects like this from voters anticipating other's votes.

Calamity Brain fucked around with this message at 13:14 on Apr 26, 2021

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006
I think to shout out Boseman's performance a bit, the reason that I liked him and Ahmed so much is how well observed it was. What made Ahmed and his performances so strong for me is those were the performances where I was like, "I know that guy and I haven't really seen that guy on screen," Especially after seeing staged versions of Ma Rainey, Boseman really took that performance to a new level. Davis did too. They really pushed those characters in a way they were not on the page.

That's not to diminish Hopkins' performance, but I feel like the narrative shouldn't be that Hopkins gave the clearly best performance and Boseman was getting a sympathy Oscar. The Best Actor category was truly a crowded one, but Boseman is not going to get another chance. I promise you there were people who voted for Close slumming out of a sense of her being due. I think the bigger bummer is you could imagine Riz won him saying some lovely tings about Boseman. The whole rush off stage really stung.

Pedro De Heredia
May 30, 2006

DetoxP posted:

Honestly, not too surprised by that Best Actor win. I haven't seen The Father but there was a lot of hints that there was going to be this "No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded" effect where a lot of the voters thought "I know Boseman is going to win anyways, but I voted for Hopkins because he was really good in that movie."

edit: I feel like a lot of people are reacting like the Oscars is one guy or some panel that convenes and jointly picks a winner, but it's just a ton of voters. You're always going to get weird effects like this from voters anticipating other's votes.

To be fair, people didn't just think Hopkins was "really good." Lots of people think it's his best performance ever. I think it connected really deeply with a lot of people.

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

DetoxP posted:

Honestly, not too surprised by that Best Actor win. I haven't seen The Father but there was a lot of hints that there was going to be this "No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded" effect where a lot of the voters thought "I know Boseman is going to win anyways, but I voted for Hopkins because he was really good in that movie."

edit: I feel like a lot of people are reacting like the Oscars is one guy or some panel that convenes and jointly picks a winner, but it's just a ton of voters. You're always going to get weird effects like this from voters anticipating other's votes.

It's funny how many people out there still don't understand that no one, not even the producers, knows the winners in advance. So rearranging the show this way was a massive gently caress-up based on bold presumptions.

It sucks for everyone involved. Like, I don't think anyone out there is seriously blaming Anthony Hopkins and everyone who's actually seen The Father (not me) seems to agree it's an amazing performance, but now his win has this weird tainted effect (which would have occurred regardless as people talked about the snub but made worse by the presentation). Soderbergh gets to take the blame as the director making this decision. Who knows how Boseman's widow felt, given that she's clearly had a hard time going out there all awards seasons giving these speeches and was certainly braced for this final moment that's now gone. The Academy itself just showed its collective rear end by not just missing the biggest layup ever but also by once again making a huge deal about diversity and celebrating Black art and then just giving the award to a white dude who's already won (again no disrespect to Sir Anthony but I think we all know what the optics are).

Honestly, just on a moral level, maybe the worst thing they've ever done. Like snubbing Goodfellas or some poo poo, hell even Green Book, man who cares at the end of the day its just movies. But oof, this one was insulting.

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

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Pedro De Heredia posted:

To be fair, people didn't just think Hopkins was "really good." Lots of people think it's his best performance ever. I think it connected really deeply with a lot of people.

I haven’t seen The Father yet but I was impressed how he gave serious effort in Westworld season 1. I thought he’d be phoning it in like for Thor or Red 2.

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Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

TrixRabbi posted:

It's funny how many people out there still don't understand that no one, not even the producers, knows the winners in advance. So rearranging the show this way was a massive gently caress-up based on bold presumptions.
I duuuuuuuno, I do wonder if they took into account the possibility on multiple levels. Nomadland beating out Minari after the Boseman snub might have been worse. And like I said, if Yeun or Ahmed had won, they probably would have at least dedicated some time to celebrating Boseman, so you build in some lipservice to that. Boseman wins then you have this tearful and big send off to an icon who left us too early.

So, I feel like the plan could have worked out. It's just Hopkins not being there and the joke that was last year's winner Phoenix up there when he didn't even want to be was the worst possible outcome.

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