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small butter posted:Can someone give me a summary about Glenn Greenwald? I would look elsewhere but I really don't know where.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:04
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Glenn Greenwald is a nazi, and he always was, and people chose to ignore that because he flung mud in the eye of the US Government once and because he didn't like a different flavor of Nazi running things in Brazil. The end.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:07
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He exists as a cautionary tale to show people when they believe the enemy of their enemy is automatically their friend. He is poo poo.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:08
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Glenn Greenwald's original claim to fame was writing scathing op-eds about the Bush Administration's for Salon during the early 2000s during the height of the blogging era. I still to this day think that his articles were quite insightful - he won a few awards - but ever since then he's done everything imaginable throw it all away. That's from his toxic social media presence to becoming a regular guest on Fox News included their late night segments.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:11
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Here's Michael Harriot(journalist and writer for The Root) on Glenn's most recent "flirtation" with openly repeating white supremacist talking points. https://twitter.com/michaelharriot/status/1372245031172636677 Conclusion: The guy who has defended nazis in court, repeats nazi talking points, supports nazis on other issues, and appears regularly on nazi shows might not be open minded on race-based issues. Even if he he's also critical of the people you don't like!
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Mar 17, 2021 23:14
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He routinely embarrassed himself arguing with writers on left political blogs during his rise to fame. e: he's a thin-skinned contrarian incapable of admitting error. His statement about leaving for substack because the people at the Intercept (his own media project) dared to edit him is a place to start peeling the onion. Amniotic fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Mar 17, 2021 |
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Mar 17, 2021 23:15
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he's bad, op
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Mar 17, 2021 23:17
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I don't think GG has ever claimed to be a leftist; he's been a pretty standard civil libertarian for as long as I can remember. He's also had his brain poisoned from being way too online and is either addicted to the attention or actually makes real money from being an extremely annoying contrarian.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:20
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Imagine if ted rall only wrote articles and didn't also draw cartoons, but also the articles matched the quality of his cartoons
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Mar 17, 2021 23:20
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You're saying someone should send greenwald some art supplies?
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Mar 17, 2021 23:21
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Herstory Begins Now posted:You're saying someone should send greenwald some art supplies? oh no
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Mar 17, 2021 23:22
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Lester Shy posted:I don't think GG has ever claimed to be a leftist; he's been a pretty standard civil libertarian for as long as I can remember. He's also had his brain poisoned from being way too online and is either addicted to the attention or actually makes real money from being an extremely annoying contrarian. I think he's been pretty consistently a racist no real need to say contrarian or "brain poisoned". The only benefit of the doubt he gets was because he was a stopped clock about the also racist US government and Bolsonaro
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Mar 17, 2021 23:22
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Glenn Greenwald's original claim to fame was writing scathing op-eds about the Bush Administration's for Salon during the early 2000s during the height of the blogging era. Yeah, that's basically my feeling. He's done some genuinely admirable, important work in exposing war crimes committed by the U.S. under Bush and Obama, helping get Lula freed in Brazil, etc, etc. But it's overshadowed by the extremely bad positions he's taken over the past few years, and that's a drat shame. Marielle Franco is spinning in her grave.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:24
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what are some of his most controversial positions? I really only know of him from the most recent primaries. I tuned out after that.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:29
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Majorian posted:Yeah, that's basically my feeling. He's done some genuinely admirable, important work in exposing war crimes committed by the U.S. under Bush and Obama, helping get Lula freed in Brazil, etc, etc. But it's overshadowed by the extremely bad positions he's taken over the past few years, and that's a drat shame. Marielle Franco is spinning in her grave. yeah. i can't fully blame him for going "yeah gently caress the US/Deep State" but he went to full weird "actually an openly fascist US would be cool and good and nazis are my allies". like mother fucker, what do you think the nazis would do to you if they won. i mean he KNOWS how bad fascists are in brazil. i guess he is just a nimby.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:30
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Glenn Greenwald gets talked to death, but it's kind of important and good that his image keeps getting deeply and repetitiously suplexed. Because he was never really that great, and all of the good he did was just incidental to his own deep and profound flaws both as a person and in terms of his ideology. I'm glad I jumped in early on "gently caress Glenn Greenwald" as a position and I'm ok with the actual abuse I received for it by ... in retrospect, less than diligent leftists who had propped him up as kind of an anti-american-hegemony wunderkind full of good nice blessings for the anti-war effort. I'm strawmanning that a bit, but not by much. gently caress glenn!
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Mar 17, 2021 23:33
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Majorian posted:Yeah, that's basically my feeling. He's done some genuinely admirable, important work in exposing war crimes committed by the U.S. under Bush and Obama, helping get Lula freed in Brazil, etc, etc. But it's overshadowed by the extremely bad positions he's taken over the past few years, and that's a drat shame. Marielle Franco is spinning in her grave. At this point, it's not just overshadowed it doesn't even matter. It doesn't matter what great things you did years ago when all you are doing is hurting people today.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:36
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Waterbed Wendy posted:what are some of his most controversial positions? I really only know of him from the most recent primaries. I tuned out after that. His latest controversial position is that Democrats are the real racists and Republicans are socialists. No, I'm not kidding.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:40
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:At this point, it's not just overshadowed it doesn't even matter. It doesn't matter what great things you did years ago when all you are doing is hurting people today. I don't disagree. My point is, I stand by my defense of him up to a couple of years ago because he was still doing valuable things and hadn't gone full reactionary yet. Nowadays he's indefensible.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:42
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Kavros posted:Glenn Greenwald gets talked to death, but it's kind of important and good that his image keeps getting deeply and repetitiously suplexed. Because he was never really that great, and all of the good he did was just incidental to his own deep and profound flaws both as a person and in terms of his ideology. i always view him as sorta of much shittier Seymour Hersh. both had good articles and did good poo poo BUT than their brains rotted and they believed whatever insane poo poo they heard in the grapevine and believed whatever weird bullshit they heard even when it was clearly not true. i dont think hersh is nazi though so he has a leg up.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:43
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:His latest controversial position is that Democrats are the real racists and Republicans are socialists. Specifically he said Tucker Carlson was a socialist (  ), that Steve Bannon was a socialist (x2), and that 2016 campaign Donald Trump was a socialist (x100000).
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Mar 17, 2021 23:47
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:His latest controversial position is that Democrats are the real racists and Republicans are socialists. seems strange
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Mar 17, 2021 23:49
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Majorian posted:Yeah, that's basically my feeling. He's done some genuinely admirable, important work in exposing war crimes committed by the U.S. under Bush and Obama, helping get Lula freed in Brazil, etc, etc. But it's overshadowed by the extremely bad positions he's taken over the past few years, and that's a drat shame. Marielle Franco is spinning in her grave. Could you give me some notable examples? Of his positions and racism beyond today's wild tweet?
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Mar 17, 2021 23:50
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This is a Greenwald blog post from 2005. http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/12/yelling-racist-as-argument-in.html The URL probably makes it obvious but here's a quote from that blog post:Glenn Greenwald posted:Current illegal immigration – whereby unmanageably endless hordes of people pour over the border in numbers far too large to assimilate, and who consequently have no need, motivation or ability to assimilate – renders impossible the preservation of any national identity. I don't think he was ever any better than he is now, there just weren't Twitter and Tucker Carlson to air his stupid opinions on everything other than the Iraq war.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:51
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i always view him as sorta of much shittier Seymour Hersh. both had good articles and did good poo poo BUT than their brains rotted and they believed whatever insane poo poo they heard in the grapevine and believed whatever weird bullshit they heard even when it was clearly not true. i dont think hersh is nazi though so he has a leg up. This is interesting, what the tl;dr on Hersh? I almost was able to see him speak once and I think he's massive influential figure but he's kind of rubbed me the wrong way.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:51
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Waterbed Wendy posted:seems strange well it's what the white supremacists are saying he's carrying a lot of water for that crew so maybe not so strange
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Mar 17, 2021 23:51
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He pisses libs off by being a horrible poo poo and this makes him 'good' to people that hate libs more than fash. The people that hate libs more than fash hate libs because the libs... hate.... them more than fash???? But also are the fash. So the fash hates the fash and thats why GG is good? drat I don't understand why politics seems like its going nowhere at the moment.
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Mar 17, 2021 23:52
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James Garfield posted:This is a Greenwald blog post from 2005. http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/12/yelling-racist-as-argument-in.html The URL probably makes it obvious but here's a quote from that blog post: oh wow, this sucks yeah
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Mar 18, 2021 00:00
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he is extremely lovely to trans people, including his noted 'transmen are actually just masculine lesbians who are forced to call themselves trans' recent twitter thread
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Mar 18, 2021 00:01
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i always view him as sorta of much shittier Seymour Hersh. both had good articles and did good poo poo BUT than their brains rotted and they believed whatever insane poo poo they heard in the grapevine and believed whatever weird bullshit they heard even when it was clearly not true. i dont think hersh is nazi though so he has a leg up. That's actually a pretty good take on him. I think he got a pass for so much of his immigration writings and defending Matthew Hale because he was very critical of the Bush admin for the Patriot Act, Iraq, and torture as well as Obama's expansion of the surveillance state. Not to mention the Snowden leaks. Beyond that, he's always been the very petty, egotistical, and hyperbolic shithead that he is today. He's just not as good as hiding that part of himself anymore. That and he's unable to log the gently caress off of Twitter. Ten years ago he'd just wade into the comment sections on Salon and The Guardian to yell at people but unless you were in there, you didn't notice. Now it's Twitter 24/7 for Glenn with no editors holding him back. Though I remember about four years ago he made what seemed like a pretty decent attempt to critically examine the issue of Russian interference in the 2016 election without being a complete rear end about it, but that fell apart within a few months and welp, here we are.
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Mar 18, 2021 00:03
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Jaxyon posted:I think he's been pretty consistently a racist no real need to say contrarian or "brain poisoned". The only benefit of the doubt he gets was because he was a stopped clock about the also racist US government and Bolsonaro I think the racism is a separate (but very real) issue from the increasingly esoteric positions and feuds he works himself into due to constant Twitter namesearching.
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Mar 18, 2021 00:03
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James Garfield posted:This is a Greenwald blog post from 2005. http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/12/yelling-racist-as-argument-in.html The URL probably makes it obvious but here's a quote from that blog post: I think that's probably exactly what it was: he's had some pretty bad positions for a while, but what he was known for was anti-imperialism, exposing war crimes, opposing fascism in Brazil, etc. That's what was getting published, and there really wasn't much reason for leftists who found his work informative and important (which it was) to dig deeper and see what his other positions were. But now all he has to offer is the outright racist, reactionary stuff, and that's really sad. I wish he had used all his time, energy, and talent to muckrake about the continuity between Obama, Trump, and Biden's foreign policies.
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Mar 18, 2021 00:04
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quote:Following the protest, Greenwald published a column that very pointedly criticized “the growing so-called ‘online call-out culture’ in which people who express controversial political views are not merely critiqued but demonized online and then formally and institutionally punished after a mob consolidates in outrage, often targeting their employers with demands that they be terminated.” hmmmmmm also a useful racist is still a racist, and we can do better
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Mar 18, 2021 00:05
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:This is interesting, what the tl;dr on Hersh? I almost was able to see him speak once and I think he's massive influential figure but he's kind of rubbed me the wrong way. he exposed My Lai and the coverup of it afterward and as well as the "covert" boming of cambodia. he did good work after like covering Abu Grabe horror show but he basicaly started telling weird lies and bullshit. like he wrote an JFK book that while some of it is partly true probably, very little of it is sourced and its very smeary. it got worse because he basicaly latched onto various conspiracies (bin ladin wasnt killed in the raid, assad never gassed anyone, seth rich was murdered by the deep state, Skripal poisoning wasnt done by russia) its dumb bad takes. like he will have good points and maybe even be right on some stuff but than he takes it to a weird dumb degree. he sucks, but he still does decent work and isn't a nazi.
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Mar 18, 2021 00:05
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James Garfield posted:This is a Greenwald blog post from 2005. http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/12/yelling-racist-as-argument-in.html The URL probably makes it obvious but here's a quote from that blog post: Sounds like he survived in the earlier 2000s because his Salon editor would have cut that poo poo out.
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Mar 18, 2021 00:06
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Crosby B. Alfred posted:Sounds like he survived in the earlier 2000s because his Salon editor would have cut that poo poo out. I think there's probably a lot of truth to that, yeah. A big dispute with editors is part of why he split from The Intercept so dramatically. (edited for clarity)
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Mar 18, 2021 00:09
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He also defended Citizens United, said Mitt Romney was a moderate, wrote papers for the Cato Institute, played around the edges of a "libertarian-progressive" alliance centered on Gary Johnson. https://www.salon.com/2010/01/22/citizens_united/
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Mar 18, 2021 00:11
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Waterbed Wendy posted:what are some of his most controversial positions? I really only know of him from the most recent primaries. I tuned out after that. He's a massive misogynist. He lost his last job because a woman had the gall to edit his work for instance. Very recently gave a ton of support to Seattleite and Bari Weiss-wannabe Katie Herzog when she wrote an editorial complaining about, and I'm paraphrasing here, "folks pressuring masculine girls to become transmen instead of butch lesbians". This of course was based on a flawed reading of a survey showing that the % of folks identifying as lesbian actually increased. So yeah, gently caress Glenn Greenwald and while I'm at it, gently caress Katie Herzog as well.
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Mar 18, 2021 00:18
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Neo_Crimson posted:Specifically he said Tucker Carlson was a socialist ( national?
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Mar 18, 2021 00:19
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Aside from the ways in which he's just fundamentally lovely we've already mentioned, I think there's an extent to which he and especially people who still boost him think along the lines of "democrats and bad and hypocrites and at times no better than Republicans. Ergo, dems are morally equally to republicans (or whatever fascist we're talking about at the moment) in all circumstances, in every regard, at all times, forever, and I will flatly refuse to acknowledge any actions by any republican that could even conceivably render them as more dangerous or morally worse than a democrat, even if doing so demands that I imply that a mass shooting or a fascist putsch is, actually, not that bad"
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