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Still Dismal posted:This is basically it. The Brazil poo poo impacted him personally so he (rightfully!) treated it as incredibly dire and serious story. He doesn’t live in the US anymore, so things like Trump, the Jan 6 riot, etc. get laughed off as the hysterical cringe succdems being owned. How is being a transphobe simply being “anti-liberal establishment”?
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Solkanar512 posted:How is being a transphobe simply being “anti-liberal establishment”? Glenn is so left-wing that he's essentially a Stalinist. Even antifa is those fuckin' libs for him 
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Mar 31, 2021 11:40
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there's a kind of liberal who is nominally center-left, but in practice spends almost all of their time and attention chastising anyone in the left tent for not being left in the correct way, which naturally makes them comfortable with right-wingers discussing criticisms of dominant left-tent tendencies du jour. one wonders whether Greenwald is the reverse: a conservative who, in practice, spends all of their time and attention arguing for a different kind of conservative politics, ideally something paleo-flavoured - and along the way found the far-left much more congenial than e.g. Pat Buchanan did. Congenial, but not necessarily left-wing himself. certainly at one point this was Greenwald's outlook on far-left politics: http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2005/11/reality-of-latin-american-reaction-to.html quote:It is true that in this region (as is true for the U.S.), there remains a small, fervent band of left-wing fanatics with crazed enthusiasm for the worn-out, socialist/collectivist policies which have condemned millions upon millions of people throughout Latin America to poverty unimaginable to even the poorest Americans. These putative "mass demonstrations" in Argentina and Brazil are, in reality, nothing more than a few isolated spray-painting incidents of trite pacifist slogans in Brasilia, and a Cindy Sheehan-like "rally" of hard-core Socialists in Argentina led by an obese, Castro-idolozing, retired soccer player who found time away from his decade-old cocaine addiction to show up wearing an oh-so-clever t-shirt showing Bush's name spelled with a swastika. if that's a Stalinist, it's via a horseshoe someplace
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Fishhook theory continues to deliver. Though as said, terminal contrarians tend to end up aligned with fascists sooner or later just because fascists most openly don't give a poo poo about making any sense at all beyond owning the libs. vvv: see above. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 12:53
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how does this latest tweet fit into the 'glenn is a transphobe' narrative https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1376904132406210565
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Mar 31, 2021 13:26
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"If this libertarian was actually transphobic, why would he object to the state interfering with or obstructing medical care?"  Always telling when libertarians think children have agency and the right to make their own choices and when they have to defer to adults.
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Mar 31, 2021 13:39
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Somaen posted:Glenn is so left-wing that he's essentially a Stalinist. Even antifa is those fuckin' libs for him Ah yea, Facebook and YouTube, where liberals dominate and nary a conservative in sight.
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Mar 31, 2021 13:53
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lil poopendorfer posted:how does this latest tweet fit into the 'glenn is a transphobe' narrative Same place as before, where his gullible libertarian rear end keeps getting surprised that his con friends are inconsistent in their stated goals and actions.
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Mar 31, 2021 13:59
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Beelzebufo posted:Same place as before, where his gullible libertarian rear end keeps getting surprised that his con friends are inconsistent in their stated goals and actions. so he's a 'gullible libertarian', not a transphobe.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:01
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The whole point of the 'They're taking it too far!' discourse is that one can swing between a supposed ally of LBGTQ+ people and horribly regressive rhetoric because 'too far' is a personal and ambiguous definition.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:09
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lil poopendorfer posted:so he's a 'gullible libertarian', not a transphobe. This doesn’t make up for the ugly poo poo he’s said previously, why are you posting something so loving disgusting? Do you think someone who runs around screaming the n-word but objects to lynching is somehow o solved of their racism? Why the gently caress can’t folks like you find someone who doesn’t constantly poo poo on women and trans folks?
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lil poopendorfer posted:so he's a 'gullible libertarian', not a transphobe. He can and is both.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:16
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lil poopendorfer posted:how does this latest tweet fit into the 'glenn is a transphobe' narrative Making an exception for rare situation of "a trans teenager has supportive family, medical staff, and therapists" is not really a huge carve-out, this is like the "model minority" situation where you describe an incredibly limited circumstance where people are "allowed" to do things that are necessary for them to not suffer needlessly, but only if they get signatures from three different people who may or may not be hostile. It's like white people using MLK Jr as a cudgel to criticize BLM for not protesting "the right way" mashed together with the paternalistic and authoritarian abortion requirements where you have to get permission the other parent (even if they are a rapist!), view a fetal ultrasound, and get the fetus cremated Edit: realized that I put child where Glenn put teenager, which actually makes this more annoying! IIRC you can put someone on reversible puberty blockers without any risk of longer term harm if they express that they have gender dysphoria, but once someone goes through puberty the options become more remedial. BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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Mar 31, 2021 14:22
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lil poopendorfer posted:how does this latest tweet fit into the 'glenn is a transphobe' narrative glenn is inconsistent but occasionally veering in the right direction in one of his 1,000 daily tweets doesn't excuse the other 999 times he's said stupid poo poo, including all the other clear times when he has been a transphobe. like, whats so bizarre to me is what value does glenn provide that leads to so many people defending the objectively dogshit things he says, where in the case of anyone else there would be no question of saying "gently caress this guy". if you care so much about owning libs or whatever just read trump jr. or something.
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Solkanar512 posted:This doesn’t make up for the ugly poo poo he’s said previously, why are you posting something so loving disgusting? He supports gender-affirming care for transgender youths and opposes legislation blocking it. seems pretty cut and dry to me.
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At best, he's being dangerously, uselessly flippant and stupid. Vulnerable people need and deserve consistent allies and unconditional recognition.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:34
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lil poopendorfer posted:He supports gender-affirming care for transgender youths and opposes legislation blocking it. seems pretty cut and dry to me. But it’s fine to repeatedly claim that lesbians are “recruited to become trans men”? You still haven’t addressed this which just proves you’re posting in bad faith and trying to piss the rest of us off at the expense of minorities.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:44
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Ghost Leviathan posted:At best, he's being dangerously, uselessly flippant and stupid. Vulnerable people need and deserve consistent allies and unconditional recognition. Pretty much. Being a broken clock on trans rights isn't deserving of an atta boy nor does it make you an ally.
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Mar 31, 2021 14:46
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lil poopendorfer posted:how does this latest tweet fit into the 'glenn is a transphobe' narrative What, you mean him putting gender dysphoria in quotes like that didn't instinctively set off alarm bells in your head? https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-ongoing-death-of-free-speech quote:Because I have not read Shrier’s book, I have no opinion whatsoever on the argument it makes, though I did watch her Rogan appearance and listened to her Megyn Kelly interview and found several questions she raised to be reasonable and worthy of further examination. I confess to an instinctive discomfort with the book’s title — “Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters” — as redolent of the destructive trope long used against gay men as predators seeking to recruit and “seduce” children into becoming gay. And I know that the legal and cultural assault on trans people is very real, and fervently believe trans people have the absolute right to full legal protection of and respect for their identities (Shrier herself has repeatedly said she also believes this: “I fully support medical transition for mature adults,” she wrote in her Quillette article). Between that and his previously-posted perception that lesbians are now branding themselves trans, his position seems pretty clear: he is in principle opposed to legal discrimination against trans people, but he's prone to just asking questions about whether trans people are actually really trans. He does not believe that he hates trans people, but he nevertheless buys into transphobic myths designed to cast doubt on their existence and invalidate their feelings.
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Mar 31, 2021 15:09
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Back when "being gay" was controversial I knew plenty of libertarians who would "boldly" state that they personally didn't have any problem with LGBT people and didn't agree with state action against them. They'd still spend most of their time attacking the left, and LGBT activists, for being hysterical on the matter and would take severe umbrage at being called out for supporting conservative leaders. Naturally they've moved on to focusing really hard on "Trans extremism" while still insisting they're personally okay with "good ones." Basically early era South Park where they "hate conservatives, but really hate liberals."
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Mar 31, 2021 15:21
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Grammarchist posted:Back when "being gay" was controversial I knew plenty of libertarians who would "boldly" state that they personally didn't have any problem with LGBT people and didn't agree with state action against them. They'd still spend most of their time attacking the left, and LGBT activists, for being hysterical on the matter and would take severe umbrage at being called out for supporting conservative leaders. Naturally they've moved on to focusing really hard on "Trans extremism" while still insisting they're personally okay with "good ones." Remember how they could avoid taking a stand altogether by claiming that they were in favor of eliminating marriage in favor of civil unions for everyone? Even though that was never on the table and pretty much impossible? Good times.
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Solkanar512 posted:But it’s fine to repeatedly claim that lesbians are “recruited to become trans men”? You still haven’t addressed this which just proves you’re posting in bad faith and trying to piss the rest of us off at the expense of minorities. No that's a regressive transphobic position. Yet he still supports the rights of transgendered youths to receive appropriate medical treatment, so that's why I don't think he deserves to be labeled a transphobe.
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Main Paineframe posted:What, you mean him putting gender dysphoria in quotes like that didn't instinctively set off alarm bells in your head? it did tbh but thankfully theres a glenn tweet for that https://twitter.com/derJamesJackson/status/1376903857440178176
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lil poopendorfer posted:No that's a regressive transphobic position. Yet he still supports the rights of transgendered youths to receive appropriate medical treatment, so that's why I don't think he deserves to be labeled a transphobe. Holding a regressive transphobic position makes you a transphobe
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Mar 31, 2021 16:40
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Glenn Greenwald adopting a salty, contrarian position in regards to the outspoken views of Glenn Greenwald is the way we all knew this would end.
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Mar 31, 2021 16:44
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lil poopendorfer posted:No that's a regressive transphobic position. Yet he still supports the rights of transgendered youths to receive appropriate medical treatment, so that's why I don't think he deserves to be labeled a transphobe. Why the gently caress can’t he support both? Why can’t folks find other reporters who aren’t lovely to follow? Why is this so hard? Is the value of “owning the libs” really that much more than consistently supporting minorities?
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Grammarchist posted:Back when "being gay" was controversial I knew plenty of libertarians who would "boldly" state that they personally didn't have any problem with LGBT people and didn't agree with state action against them. They'd still spend most of their time attacking the left, and LGBT activists, for being hysterical on the matter and would take severe umbrage at being called out for supporting conservative leaders. Naturally they've moved on to focusing really hard on "Trans extremism" while still insisting they're personally okay with "good ones." Essentially, particularly in the case of libertarians, professing not to care about LGBT people one way or the other does not make you an advocate, especially when in practice your behavior and words are no different from a conservative's. I'm reminded that most of the work on LGBT rights was done by the actual advocates while, so far as I can tell, libertarians accomplished nothing in this arena.
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Essentially, particularly in the case of libertarians, professing not to care about LGBT people one way or the other does not make you an advocate, especially when in practice your behavior and words are no different from a conservative's. Libertarians have accomplished nothing in any arena. Their philosophy is literally that of a parasite - consume and give nothing of value back to the host.
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Solkanar512 posted:Why the gently caress can’t he support both? Why can’t folks find other reporters who aren’t lovely to follow? Why is this so hard? I mean, this is the core of the reason this thread exists. It's not like Glenn's been cancelled or anything. He's still spewing his opinions all over the internet and his break with the Intercept was not based on some sort of mass public outcry against him. The real question is why when people quote him on something, the response of "he is allied with white supremacists like Tucker Carlson, he holds contradictory/transphobic opinions on things, etc." is supposed to be invalid. His tweets/opinions are only used based on his "credentials" from his earlier reporting anyway, so why are rebuttals using his past statements and activities invalid? There's no point in trying to determine whether in his heart of hearts GG is really a nazi, all you can do is say "based on his past pattern of behavior, I don't trust is takes on things because he has shown a bias towards white supremacists in America". This is a man who self-admiteddly doesn't believe in any sort of socialist revolution, has aired multiple "just saying" criticisms of BLM through token mouthpieces, but when it comes to a group of people who literally stormed the capitol with weapons looking for legislators, bends over backward to defend them. Why shouldn't all of that count when I decide whether I think his latest tweet is a good assessment of the situation?
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Beelzebufo posted:I mean, this is the core of the reason this thread exists. It's not like Glenn's been cancelled or anything. He's still spewing his opinions all over the internet and his break with the Intercept was not based on some sort of mass public outcry against him. The real question is why when people quote him on something, the response of "he is allied with white supremacists like Tucker Carlson, he holds contradictory/transphobic opinions on things, etc." is supposed to be invalid. His tweets/opinions are only used based on his "credentials" from his earlier reporting anyway, so why are rebuttals using his past statements and activities invalid? its because gren grenwald makes liberals angry and for some people thats all that matters, and if thats your criteria you can just pretend all the bad things don't exist while constructing elaborate justifications because you don't want to admit to yourself that you care more about making people angry than legitimate social change or supporting outsider voices who are doing good things. if you strip enough layers of self-justification ("glenn is a hedge on american foreign policy!" "glenn is only appearing on tucker because he's reaching out to our worker brethren!" "glenn is helping in brazil!") what you'll reveal is the same brokebrained nihilism you see elsewhere on the worst parts of the internet: we might both end up against the wall, but at least its funny because you cared more than i did.
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someday glenn will block glenn on twitter after getting in a lengthy slapfight with glenn.
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"How can Trump be a racist if he says he supports the black community more than anyone?" Checkmate, GG-haters.
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i have no loving clue who this guy is and i cant tell is the cspam thread is loving with me or not
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hbag posted:i have no loving clue who this guy is and i cant tell is the cspam thread is loving with me or not I only vaguely knew of him as a U.S. foreign policy skeptic and figured "fair enough" and never looked into him beyond that. I never really used Twitter though, so he only resurfaced on my radar when the Hunter Biden stories kept failing to launch, and even then Rudy's antics were a lot funnier and easier to follow.
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hbag posted:i have no loving clue who this guy is and i cant tell is the cspam thread is loving with me or not he's not literally hitler but he sucks pretty bad. you could just read his tweets and judge for yourself.
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hbag posted:i have no loving clue who this guy is and i cant tell is the cspam thread is loving with me or not A lot of C-SPAM is for people who are too online and and/or have terminal irony poisoning. Glenn is a reporter who co-founded The Intercept, an anti-establishment government/media affairs news site, and helped Edward Snowden release his leaks. This earned him the lasting loyalty of many people who hate establishment politics. Glenn is a libertarian contrarian and in the years after the Snowden stuff has slowly alienated most of the leftist audience who glommed onto him by making it clear what a libertarian actually is and how dumb they are at the end of the day. He goes on Tucker Carlson and says moron poo poo a lot. He spends an inordinate amount of time getting into slapfights on Twitter where a lot of his other moron poo poo gets said. He uses his columns to essentially launder Trump talking points for his disaffected-from-mainstream-politics audience. It has taken a long time for certain goons to come to grips with this. He was essentially ousted from the Intercept after years of a growing rift, which finally came to a head over attempting to report Trump campaign disinformation as news. In the meanwhile the Intercept also burned some of its sources and helped get them sent to jail, which is bad when you are a website that openly encourages you to leak sensitive material to them that may get you thrown in jail if anyone finds out. Glenn was incorrectly blamed for this, as his position as editor was increasingly ceremonial. Glenn now posts on substack which is basically Patreon for journalists who can't or don't want to get jobs in the industry anymore but have a devoted following. He lives in Brazil and has exposed corruption in the Bolsonaro regime, for which he has made enemies in Brazil. Name Change fucked around with this message at 19:36 on Mar 31, 2021 |
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I'm not a GG stan, but I do find his Posting Energy entertaining in a sort of trashy way. I think his comments on trans issues and racism in the US have been ~problematic~ or alarmingly naive at best... BUT I also think there's more to why he's popular among some online leftists than just "owning the libs at all costs". From what I gather, GG is a hardcore liberal, but more in a classical sense and would I guess be called a libertarian in the US. Unlike Carlson or other RWM pundits, he's not just a charlatan that will do & say whatever it takes to own the libs; he's uncompromisingly principled in his belief in Liberal values, namely individual freedoms. This sets him at odds with the neoliberal establishment of US politics and culture, which includes the dominant centrist wing of the Dem party and the vanishing center-right wing of the GOP. GG's valid critiques of neoliberalism (e.g. imperialism, domestic surveillance, corporate control of the press, superficial adoption of id-pol, etc.) aren't motivated by leftist ideology, and the extent at which they're concordant with leftist critiques is effectively coincidental. In a better world, we wouldn't need someone as ~problematic~ as GG to be a leading voice of neoliberal criticisms; it would be better if that voice was coming from an actual leftist, rather than from a glorified libertarian shitposter. But unfortunately that's not the world we live in, and I think it would be foolish to answer the question of "why is GG popular [among some online leftists]?" while ignoring the exclusion of strong voices critical of the neoliberal establishment in mainstream press and focusing only on his 'owning the libs' shitpost energy.
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:I'm not a GG stan, but I do find his Posting Energy entertaining in a sort of trashy way. I think his comments on trans issues and racism in the US have been ~problematic~ or alarmingly naive at best... As an aside, "I am a classical liberal at odds with the establishment" is a very common phrase among people who are actually pretty far right.
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