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Lorenzo's results were always ultimately limited by his severe autism and egomania, ducati's results are limited by their psychotic management. It was never going to work regardless of how well he went for those few races. But I'll admit lorenzo's adventure in red is what makes me so confident in zarco, it's clear they learned a little bit from the experience and are applying it to him and bagnaia.
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sure but then what's jack's loving excuse
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the paradigm shift posted:sure but then what's jack's loving excuse He's not that good...?
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the paradigm shift posted:sure but then what's jack's loving excuse They said his tire spun on the rim.
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:They said his tire spun on the rim. Wait really? Astonishing if true. I'm almost certain michelin quality is garbage and some of the tyres are just faulty, the fact they have to keep them in tents and even a few seconds of exposure without being ridden is fatal is...not a good sign. Otoh some riders never have a problem so it might be a case of them pissing off the super sensitive tyres by doing something they aren't even aware of/monitor on telemetry.
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Apr 2, 2021 22:51
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Slavvy posted:He's not that good...? that's my feeling on it too but there sure are a lot of people pretending he's champ in waiting
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:They said his tire spun on the rim. Did they say that on the first of April?
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Apr 3, 2021 10:21
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Mah...mah desert tracks. Fp3 is 3 seconds off the pace. https://twitter.com/GoldandGoose/status/1378317437310017536?s=19
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Apr 3, 2021 13:31
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lmao pramac. god I love them
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Pramac and zarco are a glorious combination because the only two possible outcomes every time he gets on that bike are either magic or fiery explosion.
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Apr 4, 2021 03:39
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JohnClark posted:I have never watched an entire MotoGP race before, but I decided this would be the year to try to get into it. The race was awesome, and as Maverick Vinales started to work his way forward I looked him up. This told me two things: Oh BTW if you liked the MotoGP race you should definitely watch Moto3. Moto2 I can take or leave but 3 consistently has the best race of the day. They haven't even run the other 2 races and I'm already prepared to call moto3 the best race of today, absolutely crazy result to that race.
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Apr 4, 2021 15:45
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That was some ride by Pedro Acosta.
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2 takeaways from the motogp pre-race. 1. The guys at the Losail like having circuit wide lightswitch raves just a little bit too much. 2. The only thing on the grid uglier than Jack Millers mustache is the puke green beaver toothed M3 safety car.
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Cant believe Miller didnt get a penalty for that bullshit with Mir, he's been having temper tantrums all weekend because the Pramacs are beting him.
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VIVA LA FRAAAANCEechomadman posted:Cant believe Miller didnt get a penalty for that bullshit with Mir, he's been having temper tantrums all weekend because the Pramacs are beting him. In fairness, mir's pass before that was a bunch of bullshit he should've been sanctioned for. Not an excuse though.
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Slavvy posted:VIVA LA FRAAAANCE Agreed, surprised that Mir wasn't reprimanded for that, but more disappointed that Miller let Mir get in his head like that. We gotta talk about this Pramac "phenomenon" that seems to have persisted at least the last year or two. Does the GiGi curse exist? Someone in the Discord suggested a pressure factor...
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Toxic management culture in the factory team, no mystery about it. They mismanage the gently caress out of their riders. It's no coincidence that pramac's nadir was the year ducati decided petrucci and redding would be racing to see who keeps their job, so naturally they started ramming each other and results tanked. They were on different bikes too so redding never really had a chance; examine their respective careers since then to give you an idea of how brilliant this move was. Then the ceo decided he just didn't like lorenzo personally, results be damned, so they threw away the only rider to get close to dovi and replaced him with petrucci because he 'deserved' it (aka is Italian). Then they grandfathered in bagnaia, a guy who occasionally got near the podium between crashes, whilst ignoring all of dovi's feedback and also passing by miller, who had more experience, more points and ultimately had a drastically better season than bagnaia. Now that miller is in the red leathers, his experience of Ducati management has gone from 'people who occasionally wander in to congratulate me, tell me there are good things in my future' to 'people who are breathing over my shoulder telling me how to ride while emphasizing the weight of the world and the expectations of the Italian nation are on my shoulders and if Casey stoner could do it what's your excuse?!'. Nothing surprising about the outcome.
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Slavvy posted:Toxic management culture in the factory team, no mystery about it. They mismanage the gently caress out of their riders. It's no coincidence that pramac's nadir was the year ducati decided petrucci and redding would be racing to see who keeps their job, so naturally they started ramming each other and results tanked. They were on different bikes too so redding never really had a chance; examine their respective careers since then to give you an idea of how brilliant this move was. Well said, that fits - it has been fantastic to see Scott doing what he's been doing in the other series. Was also hilarious to see the look on management's faces after Jorge bagged wins on the Duc...
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Those were some of the most awkward victories ever, watching tardozzi turn beetroot coloured from the internal conflict was gold, god bless george and his ability to rub literally everyone the wrong way.
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BitcoinRockefeller posted:Oh BTW if you liked the MotoGP race you should definitely watch Moto3. Moto2 I can take or leave but 3 consistently has the best race of the day. They haven't even run the other 2 races and I'm already prepared to call moto3 the best race of today, absolutely crazy result to that race. As for the race itself, holy poo poo that was awesome to watch. Vinales and Quatararo were amazing, Rins had some killer moves, and Martin was incredible especially considering he's a rookie. 2 races in I am psyched to get into this sport 
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Slavvy posted:VIVA LA FRAAAANCE I don't know about that. It looked like he went for the same kind of flip flop pass he had been getting at that corner pretty regularly and Miller decided to carry more speed than normal and Mir got stuck since he was already committed, pretty standard racing incident if you ask me. Miller's retaliation was just being a churlish aussie.
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JohnClark posted:I will definitely give those a look, the commentators seemed to be talking up Moto3 as well during the race. You should really go watch the Moto3 race from this weekend, it's bonkers in all the right ways.
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Apr 5, 2021 17:54
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JohnClark posted:I will definitely give those a look, the commentators seemed to be talking up Moto3 as well during the race. Really liking this new and improved Zarco too.
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Chris Knight posted:If you've never watched a Moto3 race before, then for the love of the sport watch this one! Complete barnstormer. I'm considering the possibility of forgiving Zarco for the "Mamola is not a legend" comment and the whole KTM situation; he does seem to have worked out some gremlins and seems to be showing the most promise of the Duc stable... We'll see I guess...
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Ktm are doing a ducati speedrun. They've done bad bike they blame the riders for, they've done buying in talent to fix everything, they've done the 'roster of young guys will fix it' plan. All they're missing is a stoner-like figure (betting on it being binder 2022) to get a freak championship that can never be repeated but will always be used as proof that the bike is Good Enough To Win and the rider is at fault, always, and all they need is to find another guy like that, while the actual guy is still there and telling them the bike can't win (binder 2023-2025).
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In KTM's defence their bike is a lot better than it once was. I know technically speaking it was never as slow as a Moto2 bike, but it was drat slow for a while!
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Valid points from you guys, but I should probably add that 99% of my ire towards Zarco stemmed from him talking that poo poo about Mamola, especially with Mamola being one of his biggest and earliest advocates when he hit the top tier. Sure, you're entitled to your opinion, but it just really rubbed me up the wrong way.
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Also Mamola was a legend cos he road bike fast and did stoppies on the pace lap. He also advocated for the sport for a long while. Oh yeah he won a bunch of races during a period where it's generally accepted that it was hard to win races against Spencer, Lawson and Gardener.
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algebra testes posted:Also Mamola was a legend cos he road bike fast and did stoppies on the pace lap. Exactly this - the man put a Cagiva on the podium against these folks... 
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gregbest90 posted:Exactly this - the man put a Cagiva on the podium against these folks... Yeah winning in that era wasn't that hard (relatively speaking) if you had a factory Honda, to do it on a flaming hunk of  is an achievement.
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Chris Knight posted:If you've never watched a Moto3 race before, then for the love of the sport watch this one! Complete barnstormer.
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JohnClark posted:Is there a good way to watch these in the US? I've been catching MotoGP on tape delay on NBCSN, but it doesn't look like they broadcast Moto3 unless I'm missing it. MotoGP videopass lets you watch all the races on demand or live if that's your thing. The quality has improved in recent years but it's pretty expensive. I ended up paying $150USD for the whole year but IIRC you can buy month by month*. If that's a bit too rich for your blood you're either stuck with what you can find on TV or  *Apparently you can get it cheaper if you use a VPN and pretend to be from a different country. I can't attest to how accurate that is though.
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JohnClark posted:Is there a good way to watch these in the US? I've been catching MotoGP on tape delay on NBCSN, but it doesn't look like they broadcast Moto3 unless I'm missing it. Comedy  Bay option
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Chris Knight posted:I had some sports channel here in Canada that would often miss races speedvision or some poo poo? I managed to catch a couple races on that like a decade ago, but I lucked out and one of them was that one with Rossi and Lorenzo going head to head at Catalunya, gently caress I still get goosebumps thinkin about it
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Had to look it up: BeIn Sports. They had tonnes of soccer which I never ended up watching. They had basically a set time slot for all MotoGP races, so if there were any delays or one race went long, they'd keep premier class and Moto2 as much as possible and just drop Moto3 if there wasn't enough time.
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Found a way to watch Moto3, and the first run at Qatar was exciting to say the least. It does seem like these guys are just a little bit faster than they are talented, if that makes sense. The pileups, contact, and near disasters all seemed to stem from them not quite estimating right on when to pass/brake/etc. Still a ton of fun to watch, and also cool to see rookies doing well at this level.
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Moto3 is such a hoot, i always make sure to watch it. You'll get guys like Derryn Binder qualifying at the back and then just slicing his way to the top over a couple of laps. It's so much fun.
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JohnClark posted:Found a way to watch Moto3, and the first run at Qatar was exciting to say the least. It does seem like these guys are just a little bit faster than they are talented, if that makes sense. The pileups, contact, and near disasters all seemed to stem from them not quite estimating right on when to pass/brake/etc. It seems like that because of the twin combination of slow bikes with near total parity + riders all between the ages of 16-19. The average age of the premier class has gone down in recent years while the bikes have become much closer technically, so there has been a corresponding rise in pileups, weird incidents and general biffo ("ITs LiKe A MoTo3 race!1!" I scream as I drool on my commentary mic). Race direction has failed utterly to respond in a competent or consistent manner so now we have a situation where doing bonehead poo poo is often worth it because you probably won't get sanctioned if there's any ambiguity to the situation eg miller and mir both got away without so much as a talking to, let alone actual penalties. Quartararo could've crashed out of the lead and inured himself running over petrucci's winglet (qatar marshals: not great, not terrible), and they even replayed the incident where petrucci rammed someone like he always does, breaking off the wing - no penalty.
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the paradigm shift posted:marc's not raced at portimao and he's got no time in on this year's bike and barely even knew last year's bike. If he races at portimao he win finish fourth at minimum. Hopefully this post ages well.
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