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people having to get used to an entirely different bin schedule, different kerbside recycling containers, different skip opening hours chaos https://twitter.com/KaraonTW/status/1376669323754942465 crispix fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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 "Starmer's done a great job so far and if he's falling in the polls, that's all down to Covid (and is also Jeremy Corbyn's fault) but definitely nothing to do with Starmer himself. Also, he now has a vital second chance to reset how the public views him although, from the previous sentence, you wouldn't think that he even needs it." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/01/starmer-first-impression-labour-leader-challenges
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Apr 1, 2021 09:02
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Party Boat posted:The commonly accepted definition of "Northern England" using historic county lines doesn't include Derbyshire - there's a map here: I personally can't wait until this country balkanises and we have a series of low level wars about whether Buxton is in Mercia and Northumbria, and the Welsh government forms the republic of pengwern in the hills surrounding Oswestry.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:04
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Compare and contrast with this article, which actually bothers to dig into what's happening with Starmer's polling: https://novaramedia.com/2021/03/31/imagine-starmer-is-polling-badly-now-times-that-by-ten/
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Apr 1, 2021 09:05
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mrpwase posted:They've defined the North as the EU regions of North East, North West, and Yorkshire and the Humber, but they've said that any of the counties at the border are welcome to join. I don't think they're explicitly defining themselves as anti-Derbyshire Yeh THEY defined the north, without looking at a map. It’s an utter lack of knowledge about local politics and how it effects both North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire that makes people who live here go “the absolute balls on them naming themselves the northern Independence Party” - If they had any idea about how hard North Nottinghamshire has to fight against the Dukeries land owners then they would automatically have been included, and one of the things that would be looked at is why is Worksop not on Boris’ big list of towns that get money? Is it because it’s basically owned by the Dukeries and being put on the list would be an admission that it’s a shithole? These are the utterly ridiculous problems we face here, and people wonder why after years of Labour MPs looking like they are not doing anything older people fell for Tory lies?
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Pistol_Pete posted:
that's a face that says "i would like to watch you have a bath... just once"
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Apr 1, 2021 09:05
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I just looked at a map and Derbyshire is in the East Midlands
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a pipe smoking dog posted:the republic of pengwern https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GnLDJAgrws ???
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Apr 1, 2021 09:08
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Party Boat posted:The commonly accepted definition of "Northern England" using historic county lines doesn't include Derbyshire - there's a map here: Sobs in that’s what we keep asking for, we want the northern third to be split between the Manchester and Sheffield local authorities but the local Tory party went all insanely xenophobic (?) and started harping on about BUT PEOPLE CARE ABOUT TRADITION and wound up the olds while ignoring that this whole area is flat broke and most of the financial issues the local authorities have would be wiped out with this move. If only there was a northern party that could have got involved in this but oh well.
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learnincurve posted:They also don’t know how to geography or local politics. There is this whole thing where Derbyshire is long, it’s so long that a lot of it is more north of Manchester. The problem is that the county capital is right on the southern tip next to Nottingham, and so far as administration goes it’s utterly unconnected to the rest of the county. Basically the northern parts want to be part of either the Sheffield or the Manchester local authorities if only because it would give us some protection from the local landowners we are all still beholden to, for example; “Want the supertram? well the Renishaw estate says “gently caress YOU”, “want the HS2 not to go through your house? well the Renishaw estate says “We are not having it near our land gently caress YOU”” They did a month or two in explicitly include northern Derbyshire, but that wasn't long before they implicitly excluded any trans person who wasn't in lockstep with the leadership.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:10
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This paragraph from that Starmer article is wildquote:Starmer remains in many ways an unknown, perhaps more so than any comparably senior figure in modern politics, even to those around him. The damning verdict that some critics have already made is absurdly premature. It will, though, become much clearer very soon. Starmer may not have been able to cut through amid the dominance of Covid, yet the near invisibility of his first year gives him an unsullied opportunity once politics resumes from this spring. There is a cliche that says you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. But that is exactly what Starmer now has. The fact that our leader is such an unprincipled non-entity that even those close to him have no idea who he is or what he believes is a Unique Opportunity actually
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Party Boat posted:I just looked at a map and Derbyshire is in the East Midlands Only the southern part. Long county is long.
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learnincurve posted:Only the southern part. Long county is long. Looks like all of it to me 
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Apr 1, 2021 09:15
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And? That’s the point? we want that northern part that sticks out put in the correct local authorities because right now our local administration is massively out of date and counterproductive.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:21
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Northern derbyshire vs southern derbyshire civil war. New land border?
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Apr 1, 2021 09:21
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Derbyshire is northern from the point of view of a Londoner but southern from the point of view of someone from Cumbria. Makes you think.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:21
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New crime of the NIP, making relevant what was the most tedious argument in the entire UK, "what technically counts as The North"
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Apr 1, 2021 09:22
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learnincurve posted:And? That’s the point? we want that northern part that sticks out put in the correct local authorities because right now our local administration is massively out of date and counterproductive. You said that people should look at a map. I did and the map said Derbyshire was in the East Midlands. If you want to change the map, that's a different argument and surely one that the people of North Derbyshire should decide for themselves?
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Apr 1, 2021 09:23
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Angepain posted:New crime of the NIP, making relevant what was the most tedious argument in the entire UK, "what technically counts as The North" *vague sounds of laughing and bagpipes can be heard in the distance*
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Apr 1, 2021 09:25
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So penguin is actually the welsh word for the (now extinct) great auk because penguins and auks were originally considered to be the same bird. Pen Gwyn translates to white head or white top. Pengwern was a small welsh kingdom in what is now Shropshire and there is a lot of Welsh historical literature about the fall of Pengwern as a sort of apocalyptic event where the Welsh finally realise they weren't going to reclaim the old north back from the English. The meaning of "Gwern" is a bit vague but might refer to the river Severn, making Pengwern the head (source) of the severn. e: party boat are you being deliberately obtuse? you seem to be misunderstanding every point learnincurve is making
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Apr 1, 2021 09:25
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Party Boat posted:You said that people should look at a map. I did and the map said Derbyshire was in the East Midlands.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:26
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I would gladly spend my life to further the cause of the North Derbyshire partisans
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Apr 1, 2021 09:27
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THIS is and always will be the Midlands: No further responses please, this discussion is now over.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:27
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If we can just leave Europe, that will solve our problems! Brussels doesn't care about us! If we can just leave the South, that will solve our problems! London doesn't care about us! If we can just divide our county in half, that will solve our problems! Derby doesn't care about us! If we just build a wall around the village? If we install barricades at the end of our street? Maybe if I never go upstairs again?
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Apr 1, 2021 09:28
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Every time we call for a reorganisation of local authorities in Derbyshire, even to make the constituencies sane, old people start screaming about tradition. I swear to god when you tell them it would mean getting libraries back you get the same response every time “It’s a sacrifice I am willing to make”
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Apr 1, 2021 09:28
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Jippa posted:Anything above the watford gap. For reference, as that would include the East of England region, this new country would return a pretty comfortable Tory majority to its parliament (202 Tory, 117 Labour seats). Using the Danelaw area, the more traditional North/South divider, takes East of England out and leaves the Tories up by 150 to 115. If you move the border to the southern edge of Lancashire and Yorkshire, it goes 89 Labour to 68 Tory though (but don't look too closely at the EU referendum results). (Yes, I know of course that everything is a lot more complex than that, but we're already starting to see the "magic line" strain of nationalist brain poison sneaking into the discussion and I just think it's worthwhile pointing out that Tories are loving everywhere)
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Apr 1, 2021 09:31
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gently caress it I'm going to go 100% into Forest of Dean independence, screw all y'all. We've got wild boars, disused quarries, bike trails for days and a vast concentration of NIMBYs. Who needs anything else?
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Apr 1, 2021 09:31
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I'm eagerly awaiting the first NIP candidate/representative to use the phrase Londonistan, probably a solid vote winner but likely to cause a split. Should be some good fun content for ~Autumn
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Apr 1, 2021 09:34
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learnincurve posted:Every time we call for a reorganisation of local authorities in Derbyshire, even to make the constituencies sane, old people start screaming about tradition. I swear to god when you tell them it would mean getting libraries back you get the same response every time “It’s a sacrifice I am willing to make” I've driven through Derbyshire a few times and it seems completely obvious that the northern bit of Derbyshire is geographically better connect to Stockport than it is to Derby. My proposal for the border of the north is a strtaight line from Chester to Matlock and the Matlock to Grimsby. Everything south of that is the Midlands
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Apr 1, 2021 09:35
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Personally excited for GB to split into many small regions, preferably by tectonic activity
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Apr 1, 2021 09:37
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I regret everything. Just make the UK a Crusader Kings LARP in the Heptarchy
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Apr 1, 2021 09:38
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kyojin posted:If we can just leave the South, that will solve our problems! London doesn't care about us! Yes agreed you should always just be happy with your overlords, they always have your best interests at heart.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:40
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We should get some high-up random in the Middle East or Africa who knows nothing about the UK to divide the whole country with random straight lines, as revenge
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Apr 1, 2021 09:42
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learnincurve posted:Every time we call for a reorganisation of local authorities in Derbyshire, even to make the constituencies sane, old people start screaming about tradition. I swear to god when you tell them it would mean getting libraries back you get the same response every time “It’s a sacrifice I am willing to make” You're acting like this is something NIP can change. If they somehow were to achieve their aim of secession, it would have to be done on existing County lines. They can't just say "and we'll have that bit of Derbyshire while we're at it, thank you".
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Apr 1, 2021 09:43
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Butternubs posted:Yes agreed you should always just be happy with your overlords, they always have your best interests at heart. 8 million overlords, conveniently residing in specific postcodes
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Jedit posted:You're acting like this is something NIP can change. If they somehow were to achieve their aim of secession, it would have to be done on existing County lines. They can't just say "and we'll have that bit of Derbyshire while we're at it, thank you". Relying on existing internal border just displays a severe lack of imagination on the part of any separatist movement tbph. The SNP should be campaigning on re-integrating Berwick into Scotland.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:47
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Is there any organised North Derbyshire secession movement? If so they should definitely get in touch with the NIP.
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Apr 1, 2021 09:47
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Just move the capital up north for a while. If Keith gets in maybe they can even move it to Eggborough
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Stop being a bunch of Kents.
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kyojin posted:8 million overlords, conveniently residing in specific postcodes Obviously by overlords I meant the citizens of London and not the government that resides there.
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