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Jedit posted:You're acting like this is something NIP can change. If they somehow were to achieve their aim of secession, it would have to be done on existing County lines. They can't just say "and we'll have that bit of Derbyshire while we're at it, thank you". Then include Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire as a whole with a bit in the manifesto that says “reorganise local authorities and constituency boundaries within North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire to reflect geographical reality and practically. As a modern party we reject the idea that the local population should be chained to the yoke of traditional county lines that were drawn under the feudal system and are completely outdated today.
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mrpwase posted:I regret everything. If we're gonna split up the country, let's do it right. When Brenda dies, civil war based on the lands ruled by her heirs. Charlie of course gets Wales and Cornwall, Anne doesn't have any lands but is Colonel-in-Chief of a pretty useful chunk of the Army so could be a major force, Andrew gets Yorkshire (and is extremely unlikely to be asking the Yanks for help), but Edward is a hell of a wildcard given the sheer size of Wessex, and Michael Gove (wait what?) gets Lancashire. The Midlands will, as always, just be the place where all the battles happen. London of course will just continue to do its own thing and sell guns to all sides, and as there are pubs in Barking that have more and better weaponry available than the Royal Marines I suspect all sides will respect this.
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learnincurve posted:Then include Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire as a whole with a bit in the manifesto that says “reorganise local authorities and constituency boundaries within North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire to reflect geographical reality and practically. As a modern party we reject the idea that the local population should be chained to the yoke of traditional county lines that were drawn under the feudal system and are completely outdated today. These sound like questions for the peoples of North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire to decide. Again, if there is any kind of organised movement agitating for what you say I am sure the NIP would be very keen to hear from them. But if there isn't they can hardly be blamed for not knowing about it. A Northern party saying that they'll unilaterally start taking land from Midlands counties sounds a bit reiver-ish.
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Angepain posted:New crime of the NIP, making relevant what was the most tedious argument in the entire UK, "what technically counts as The North" 
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learnincurve posted:Then include Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire as a whole with a bit in the manifesto that says “reorganise local authorities and constituency boundaries within North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire to reflect geographical reality and practically. As a modern party we reject the idea that the local population should be chained to the yoke of traditional county lines that were drawn under the feudal system and are completely outdated today. As Rumda has experienced there are a shedload of problems with the NIP, but if you're invested in the idea of northern independence and you have a specific area of concern maybe... join the NIP and try to influence their policy?
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Party Boat posted:These sound like questions for the peoples of North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire to decide. Again, if there is any kind of organised movement agitating for what you say I am sure the NIP would be very keen to hear from them. But if there isn't they can hardly be blamed for not knowing about it. A Northern party saying that they'll unilaterally start taking land from Midlands counties sounds a bit reiver-ish. She is people of North Derbyshire
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The plan to bring parts of Derbyshire dales and North East Derbyshire into the Sheffield Local authority made it to the Sheffield Star, the Derbyshire times, the Yorkshire post, the Daily Telegraph, the Independent, the Guardian and the Times. If they haven’t been paying attention to what the Sheffield Council and Sheffield Lord Mayor’s office has been up to then I don’t know what to say.
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Rumda posted:She is people of North Derbyshire I am aware of this.
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Apr 1, 2021 10:07
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By "the peoples of North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire" I'd hoped it was obvious that I meant as a whole as a democratic decision. I know that there are some sparsely populated areas of Derbyshire but I would be surprised if LC was a democratic majority by herself.
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Party Boat posted:By "the peoples of North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire" I'd hoped it was obvious that I meant as a whole as a democratic decision. I know that there are some sparsely populated areas of Derbyshire but I would be surprised if LC was a democratic majority by herself. And like she's said there are movements and proposals to fix that, but they keep get getting shouted down by people who like a lot.of.you in this thread see county line as inviolate
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Party Boat posted:By "the peoples of North Derbyshire and North Nottinghamshire" I'd hoped it was obvious that I meant as a whole as a democratic decision. I know that there are some sparsely populated areas of Derbyshire but I would be surprised if LC was a democratic majority by herself. I also don't think a majority people who live in the government defined north want an independent republic either but that hasn't stopped the NIP so far.
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I live in Sale and there are a significant number of people here who are still FURIOUS that they no longer get to say they live in Cheshire.
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People's Front of North Derbyshire vs the North Derbyshire People's Front.
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Butternubs posted:Obviously by overlords I meant the citizens of London and not the government that resides there. Much of that government is elected by the people of the North. The Chancellor of the Exchequer represents the constituency of Richmond in North Yorkshire. They have elected him 3 times. If you don't think he represents the North, then you should probably be speaking to them, not pointing the finger at "London" because that is where the building he works in is situated. We all hate the loving government. Dividing ourselves up based on geography is not the answer to that and is in fact just a new and more stupid problem.
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So in an effort to change the subject from this, I've got my P45 from the old owners of the pharmacy and it's the first official document I've got in my real name with the correct gender on it, and that almost feels better than finally being shot of the worst bosses I've ever had.
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Rumda posted:And like she's said there are movements and proposals to fix that, but they keep get getting shouted down by people who like a lot.of.you in this thread see county line as inviolate Can you link to these groups / proposals? I'd honestly not heard of them before and Google isn't turning up anything useful. Edit: also congrats on having official documentation that properly recognises you!
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Apr 1, 2021 10:26
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What about setting up a new Northern Independence Party and call it the Northern and North Derbyshire Independence Party. It also does the job of getting the racist slur out of the acronym. Boom, done.
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I have done the bare minimum of link finding for you party boat. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheffield_City_Region_Combined_Authority Basically we tried to join but there were lawsuits and drama: “The combined authority does not formally cover all of the Sheffield City Region as it does not include areas of northern Derbyshire and Nottinghamshire which are part of the city region” And here’s the latest update: https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/politics/council/initial-rebrand-and-name-change-sheffield-city-region-agreed-south-yorkshire-leaders-3112111
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More fallout from the racism non-report: BMJ not happy: https://twitter.com/AllyFogg/status/1377537296895991810 Experts not actually consulted but named: https://twitter.com/blackpoppies14/status/1377522299570638848?s=19 Boris' ethnic minority advisor quits: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56601166 And the perfect response from a Tory minister: https://twitter.com/patrickkmaguire/status/1377508684906041344?s=09
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Thanks very much for that, I was searching for North Derbyshire / North Nottinghamshire related terms. Edit: just read it, this seems to be about a Local Enterprise Partnership which doesn't need to respect existing boundary lines. I'd thought we were talking about amending county / constituency boundaries but I think we've been talking at cross purposes. Party Boat fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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It’s a crazy rabbit hole of lawsuits and drama, and all all over little Hitlers on small local and parish councils who would have to give up power to the big city and not liking the idea, so they go about spreading lies about “Sheffield wants to build over OUR peak National park booooo hiisss”
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I mean good that this time it's something positive but why is gender even on a p45? As a fellow midlander I'm starting the central independence alliance. I can't disclose my funding just now though.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:If we're gonna split up the country, let's do it right. When Brenda dies, civil war based on the lands ruled by her heirs. Charlie of course gets Wales and Cornwall, Anne doesn't have any lands but is Colonel-in-Chief of a pretty useful chunk of the Army so could be a major force, Andrew gets Yorkshire (and is extremely unlikely to be asking the Yanks for help), but Edward is a hell of a wildcard given the sheer size of Wessex, and Michael Gove (wait what?) gets Lancashire. The Midlands will, as always, just be the place where all the battles happen. Give Harry and Megan some drunken LARPers in the old fashion and create the 51st state
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kyojin posted:Much of that government is elected by the people of the North. The Chancellor of the Exchequer represents the constituency of Richmond in North Yorkshire. They have elected him 3 times. If you don't think he represents the North, then you should probably be speaking to them, not pointing the finger at "London" because that is where the building he works in is situated. Well the best option would be excising every part of the country that votes tory and sink it into the ocean but that I don't think "The parts of the country that DONT vote to have themselves crushed by big daddy Boris' boot Independence party" is that catchy, TpotctDvthtcbbdBbIP just doesn't have a ring to it.
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Butternubs posted:Well the best option would be excising every part of the country that votes tory and sink it into the ocean but that I don't think "The parts of the country that DONT vote to have themselves crushed by big daddy Boris' boot Independence party" is that catchy, TpotctDvthtcbbdBbIP just doesn't have a ring to it. Keep some parts that vote Tory, because we'd be kind of hosed losing all of that farmland. But definitely sink all the suburbs,
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I wonder what government everyone that lives above the ground floor would return?
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If the last 2 weeks has taught me anything it's that Bristol should be the one that gets to secede from the UK and anyone who wants to join us just needs to set a cop car on fire
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Butternubs posted:Also I don't expect they'll get anywhere near to their goal of actual norther independence but every part of the UK that tries to leave is a big gently caress you to the gov and I'm always down for that.
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Butternubs posted:Well the best option would be excising every part of the country that votes tory and sink it into the ocean but that I don't think "The parts of the country that DONT vote to have themselves crushed by big daddy Boris' boot Independence party" is that catchy, TpotctDvthtcbbdBbIP just doesn't have a ring to it. It might invite suggestions of Russian interference  Тпоткутдвтhтcбдббип
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Rarity posted:If the last 2 weeks has taught me anything it's that Bristol should be the one that gets to secede from the UK and anyone who wants to join us just needs to set a cop car on fire Wessex Autonomy Party? I'm in.
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I like the part where this part of Derbyshire would have also gone batshit if anyone tried to put them in Mercia instead of Northumbria lol. Edit: I remembered about this, the most passive aggressive statement from a councillor of all time https://www.chesterfield.co.uk/2019/07/local-enterprise-partnership-decision/ learnincurve fucked around with this message at 11:30 on Apr 1, 2021 |
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sebzilla posted:Wessex Autonomy Party? I'm in.
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Flayer posted:Maybe if you just include Bristol itself. We do already have our own currency!
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Butternubs posted:Also I don't expect they'll get anywhere near to their goal of actual norther independence but every part of the UK that tries to leave is a big gently caress you to the gov and I'm always down for that. A big part of it is just grabbing attention on a part of the country that has been ignored for 40 years of deprivation. Obviously there's wealthy pockets & that but Labour & the Tories have both done the former industrial heartlands rotten.
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Guavanaut posted:POND sounds relatively uncontroversial as a party name. POND scum!! 
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forkboy84 posted:A big part of it is just grabbing attention on a part of the country that has been ignored for 40 years of deprivation.
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sebzilla posted:Wessex Autonomy Party? I'm in. The Forest Anarchists Party extends a hand of friendship to the WAP.
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