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Jonny 290 posted:* dont hire chud shitheads. this goes for everything and not just politics, really e: what a poo poo snipe.
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"dont talk about politics at work is: good when it means
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May 3, 2021 22:28
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the issue at basecamp is NOT about whether politics is ok at work, the issue at basecamp is the STUPENDOUSLY boneheaded reactions of two Information Age Mangement Wunderkinds to a dumbass list of funny names.
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May 3, 2021 22:29
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May 3, 2021 22:33
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a.p. dent posted:i'm thankful to not have been exposed to DHH's stupid online presence for the last 10 years because seeing some of it now, i'm starting to join the mob against him DHH is one of these dudes who is so pompous that even when he has a point he manages to bungle it up. Like the whole "rails is omakase" bit is basically "hey we made this collection of parts to work together well based on what we like you can swap parts out on your own time, we won't do it" but instead he has to make it about how he is a giant-brained connoisseur of web-poo poo and how rails is for the upper crust of discerning "authentic" devs or some poo poo. With this poo poo he could have easily talked through it with his upset employees but he had to make it a referendum on how smart and right and righteous he is, and he had to do it in public. Like if he just posted the first part of his little reply and didn't get all self righteous about the pyramid of hate thing in front of the whole company this could have all gone down as no big deal. EDIT: pretty much what rotor said
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May 3, 2021 22:42
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rotor posted:the issue at basecamp is NOT about whether politics is ok at work, the issue at basecamp is the STUPENDOUSLY boneheaded reactions of two Information Age Mangement Wunderkinds to a dumbass list of funny names. executive decides to ban discussions on politics at work: a dumb move executive decides to ban discussions on politics at work, and who has also spent the last 15 years cultivating a reputation as the wisest of 21st century workplace culture gurus: a dumb move, and also completely loving hilarious im a little bummed that there havent been more updates about employees quitting today
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May 3, 2021 22:47
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if our people start talkin you know how it goes, first its all "wahh, who keeps clogging the mens room toilet" and hey its not my fault i got IBS also next thing you know it its all unions this and unions that. Lets just not talk about this stuff and do a good job, work hard, play hard hoo-rah!
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May 3, 2021 22:53
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FMguru posted:im a little bummed that there havent been more updates about employees quitting today same, it feels like they hired a pr company to astroturf twitter with a combo of 'you're so brave' and 'lol you're better off without the snowflake libs'
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May 3, 2021 22:53
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FMguru posted:im a little bummed that there havent been more updates about employees quitting today Some harassment campaigns kicked up towards those who publicly quit, so I'd imagine that has a chilling effect on further updates.
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May 3, 2021 22:54
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i don't want ppl to talk politics at work because i don't want to know how loving stupid all my coworkers are. it's also not a big deal now i'm just laughing about this. it sounds like basecamp's culture of "openness" created a company board where people sniped at each other all day every day like on twitter or facebook
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May 3, 2021 23:03
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good job cursing your hiring pipeline to be nothing but avowed chuds for months
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May 3, 2021 23:03
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carry on then posted:good job cursing your hiring pipeline to be nothing but avowed chuds for months i'm sure they'll shut up about politics at work too lol status set to '👮♀️👌🐸' all day every day
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May 3, 2021 23:07
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a.p. dent posted:i don't want ppl to talk politics at work because i don't want to know how loving stupid all my coworkers are. it's also not a big deal i think knowing that my coworkers either want a sizeable portion of people dead or without rights- and that another sizeable chunk think it's not a big deal- is valuable and a big deal
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May 3, 2021 23:08
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qirex posted:when "don't talk about politics" also means "I'm immediately dissolving all DEI initiatives and handing them off to our one hr person" the word 'talk' is doing a lot of heavy lifting yeah it goes something like "dhh maybe it wasn't cool of us as a company culture to post funny names, look here's the pyramid of hate to explain how those behaviors have knock on effects when it comes to further down the line" "you're dumb, are we (basecamp) actively committing genocide because of the funny name thread? no we're not, so your pyramid is dumb and useless shut up. two, i just searched basecamp internal history and you added a name to that list so you are a hypocrite and i shouldn't take anything you say seriously. also your DEI committee that was about to have its first steering meeting? disbanded" like he had every opportunity to not gently caress that up, and instead just techbro'd his way into imploding the company
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May 3, 2021 23:12
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psiox posted:same, it feels like they hired a pr company to astroturf twitter with a combo of 'you're so brave' and 'lol you're better off without the snowflake libs' chuds are dumb enough to do this poo poo for free
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May 3, 2021 23:41
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psiox posted:i think knowing that my coworkers either want a sizeable portion of people dead or without rights- and that another sizeable chunk think it's not a big deal- is valuable and a big deal was mainly thinking about liberals. they are dumb as poo poo.
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May 3, 2021 23:44
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the example my bf gave was working at a hospital staffed by middle aged black Baptist women while gay. they don’t want you dead but you def don’t want to hear their opinions on gay and trans people. white chuds aren’t the whole world of conservatives
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May 3, 2021 23:48
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Buff Hardback posted:
publicly posting the "pyramid of hate" in response to a list containing seymour butz is actually dumb as poo poo. and yeah, if the person posting the pyramid ever contributed a name it's doubly stupid
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a.p. dent posted:the example my bf gave was working at a hospital staffed by middle aged black Baptist women while gay. they don’t want you dead but you def don’t want to hear their opinions on gay and trans people. white chuds aren’t the whole world of conservatives i’ll worry about them when they get into power and actively try to make my life worse so far in this thread you’ve been -dhh was right -liberals suck (i mean they do in the popular sa term but in context this is iffy) -btw did you know some black people hate gays too
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May 4, 2021 00:11
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dhh is a weirdo libertarian afaict
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May 4, 2021 00:13
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mediaphage posted:i’ll worry about them when they get into power and actively try to make my life worse who said anything about worrying about them i just don’t want to hear people’s bad political opinions because i still need to work with them
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May 4, 2021 00:18
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my homie dhall posted:publicly posting the "pyramid of hate" in response to a list containing seymour butz is actually dumb as poo poo. and yeah, if the person posting the pyramid ever contributed a name it's doubly stupid lol did this really happen
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May 4, 2021 00:23
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my homie dhall posted:publicly posting the "pyramid of hate" in response to a list containing seymour butz is actually dumb as poo poo. and yeah, if the person posting the pyramid ever contributed a name it's doubly stupid and going back over years of comment history to find the person who posted the pyramid of hate laughing at seymour butz as though that is a refutation is likewise stupid, but the only hilariously newsworthy one is the managers response, for reasons we've already noted.
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May 4, 2021 00:45
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i just cannot get enough of this public airing of dirty laundry https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/3/22418208/basecamp-all-hands-meeting-employee-resignations-buyouts-implosion
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quote:But as much as the conversation about Basecamp’s moves has been framed as “politics,” it seems important to remember that the entire affair began when a third of the company — not all of whom are among the 20 who have departed so far, by the way — volunteered to help the company become more diverse and equitable. It was only when their committee dug a skeleton out of the company closet — that list of names — that Fried and Hansson moved to shut the whole thing down. remember: these dudes wrote like 5 books about how to be great managers
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May 4, 2021 01:53
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rotor posted:remember: these dudes wrote like 5 books about how to be great managers lmao okay yeah gently caress dhh and jason
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May 4, 2021 02:01
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a.p. dent posted:lmao okay yeah gently caress dhh and jason they've already hosed themselves far, far harder than you or I ever could have
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May 4, 2021 02:03
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rotor posted:remember: these dudes wrote like 5 books about how to be great managers literally a third of their company came to them and said "hey we think we have a problem with our culture" and their enlightened response was to...disband the group and ban all discussions of the issue (or any issues) going forward and if anyone has a problem we will pay them to gtfo lol the conservative head of product strategy said in the all hands that the only racism he saw was racism...against white people! ahahahahaha
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rotor posted:i just cannot get enough of this public airing of dirty laundry quote:“I strongly disagree we live in a white supremacist culture,” Singer said. “I don’t believe in a lot of the framing around implicit bias. I think a lot of this is actually racist.” those sure are some non-political statements in the all-hands meeting about the no-politics policy
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I normally grumble about mandatory trainings but the implicit bias training and general DEI work my company's done in the past 18 months have been helpful and have made me a better and more considerate employee before that i used the term 'sold down the river' in a 1:1 and my manager eagerly NOPEd me so yall can make fun of me for asking "can i say 'hotep' or is there a different term i should use or" but it's coming from an honest and good place
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May 4, 2021 02:16
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quote:In Rework, Jason Fried and David Heinemeier Hansson introduced a new path to working effectively. Now, they build on their message with a bold, iconoclastic strategy for creating the ideal company culture—what they call "the calm company."
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May 4, 2021 02:20
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doin great Jase!
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Jonny 290 posted:so yall can make fun of me for asking "can i say 'hotep' or is there a different term i should use or" but it's coming from an honest and good place hella same, it's crazy how many things have snuck into our parlance that we just don't think about. hell, i've tried to get myself to stop saying 'post-mortem' since people probably don't need to be reminded about death what with all of it going on (i mentioned this in a 1:1 and wasn't even trying to make that a Thing, but dang, work terminology changed instantly. it is nice to work for people that are okay putting in minimal effort to not actively make people uncomfortable).
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May 4, 2021 02:27
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new lols dropped https://www.platformer.news/p/-how-basecamp-blew-up
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May 4, 2021 02:39
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their books are fine. pretty good, even. I've worked plenty of places that could learn a lot from them.
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May 4, 2021 02:40
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if your exec can't even bring himself to verbally denounce white supremacy...
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Bloody posted:new lols dropped https://www.platformer.news/p/-how-basecamp-blew-up The absolute steel backbone on that employee who doubled down on attempting to get the founders to call out Singer. drat.
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May 4, 2021 02:52
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megalol at dhh calling in from bed then muting and turning the camera off for the rest of the meeting
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MrQueasy posted:The absolute steel backbone on that employee who doubled down on attempting to get the founders to call out Singer. drat. this is why we can’t gradually increment our way out of racism, even asking someone to admit it exists when it 100% factually does is met with extreme reactions
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qirex posted:yeah props to them I definitely wouldn’t have been brave enough to do that They couldn’t even get Jason Fried to denounce it, let alone acknowledge it existed. Holy poo poo. Double lol that DHH couldn’t be arsed to get out of bed or show his face on camera to prevent his company from imploding. All because the founders couldn’t handle the mildest, most good-faith critique of their own company.
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