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Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

remember dhh and jason fried? authors of various books, including a bestseller, on how you can simply not be lovely to employees and be a better company for it?

well, they've decided that sucks and have substantially changed policy: https://world.hey.com/jason/changes-at-basecamp-7f32afc5

apparently because they keep a list of customer names to mock or something: https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/27/22406673/basecamp-political-speech-policy-controversy

predictably, there has been a massive amount of backlash. theyre offering buyouts to all employees who dont like the new direction and at current count, a third of the company is bailing: https://twitter.com/CaseyNewton/status/1388212468510380034

theyre trying to post through it (e.g. https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1386773744484552715) but overall this has really been an outstanding heel turn imo

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Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

theyre the people who made basecamp (bad project management software) and ruby on rails and a bunch of books and thought leadering. idc if you cancel them, im just enjoying a good heel turn

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

It Doesn't Have to be Good at Work

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

it would be remiss of us to not mention the sauna post 2 days prior The Post https://world.hey.com/jason/i-bought-a-sauna-30088f7d

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

https://twitter.com/willmanduffy/status/1388241016889696259?s=20

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

whats the vegas line on tweets about cancel culture

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

honestly dhh is handling it much better than jason. more likely to see jason sabbatical it out

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

rotor posted:

my money is on the list being mostly like "Dick Chardnutts" with the occastional guy named Wang.

but the important takeaway is exactly this:

this + also this is, at worst, a mean reversion of some tech ceos. it is comical and dumb and a huge own goal but they're still offering 6 months salary severance to people who don't like it

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

monkey patching is, very rarely, a pretty good way of doing something a little bit suspicious. on that occasion, dynamic proxies are usually good enough

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

psiox posted:

"yes" --people being dunked on for being dumb as hell

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

new lols dropped https://www.platformer.news/p/-how-basecamp-blew-up

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

their books are fine. pretty good, even. I've worked plenty of places that could learn a lot from them.

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

if your exec can't even bring himself to verbally denounce white supremacy...

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

megalol at dhh calling in from bed then muting and turning the camera off for the rest of the meeting

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

yeah and has anyone used fogbugz in a decade

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

new post alert https://world.hey.com/jason/an-update-303f2f99

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

the faangs are saying that out loud too. they have generally been open that people who go full remote and move out of sf bay area will get pay cuts

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

idk how to close a thread on mobile so just pretend I empty quoted that and closed this

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

pokeyman posted:

this is where I get confused with pinboard. he retweets this https://twitter.com/jonst0kes/status/1392879799727796229

but it seemed, from the outside, like there was a sizeable outcry from employees who do not want to work with this new hire? why is that bad but other worker solidarity is good? what was supposed to happen here?

yeah like if you've got two thousand employees signing on in two hours that "hey this guy loving sucks" then, idk, you should probably listen to them

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

FMguru posted:

that was my takeaway. even if youre happy at the company and had no plans to move on, you really have to wonder if its a good idea to pin your future to a ship that just had half its crew jump overboard, especially if theyre offering 6 months salary to go out into a red hot job market

yeah and its not like fully remote is that rare any more. i guess if you're a diehard ruby on rails person you might be kinda dead-ended but still

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Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

ADINSX posted:

Oh I meant more like, who cares if they put you on a do not hire list (they probably do). Base camp dot com is probably not going to be one of the 2 or 3 mega companies that will rule our bleak cyberpunk future. I wouldn't want to close the door on one of those.

fwiw you can just tell amazon recruiters to gently caress off and they'll keep contacting you so im not really sure they care about do not hire lists

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