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TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

That's basically what is for, yeah, I managed to trim my actual bookmark list to around a hundred a couple of years back. Edge goes one better and has Collections, which is mostly the same but you can further split links into topics, so you don't have to have political articles dumped in the same place as recipes or whatever.
No, the correct use of the Reading List is to save interesting long-form articles you’d like to read, and then to immediately forget about the entire existence of the Reading List. This way, any time you interact with it you have a very effective resource for reminding you of all the interesting and intellectual things you should have been reading and it helps you always feel guilty and sad about your choices as a person

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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
I just use Pocket for this, which at least means they're available on my phone if I'm ever stuck somewhere with no internet and I'm bored enough to read something longform

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Yesterday, I was clearing out bookmarks as I was duplicating the entirety of the google in my bookmark folders (again, for the nth time).

Today I noticed a new thing in my google chrome bookmarks bar called "Reading List".

I think it will make adding all those interesting links people share on here much simpler than bookmarks in the bookmark manager, and easier than finding out I have 3 subfolders with the same name in different bookmark folders.

Much as I use the 'watch later' on youtube to save links and now and then just put them on 'autoplay' to get through a few.

I'm a big fan of an app called "pocket". If I'm browsing SA on my phone and an interesting link appears, I tap to 'share' it and the default share option adds it to pocket. Then I have pocket open on my desktop in a pinned tab and just catch up on everything there

E: pocket also has a webpage previewer thing which can often get around pay walls somehow

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

ronya posted:

Genocidal intent rests heavily on how rationally thorough its execution is. Unsystematic or unintentional mass killing or ethnic cleansing may not be genocide, whereas an organized campaign of sterilization or forcible transfer of children would be.
What's their current working definition of 'ethnic group'?

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
Oh so Terfism actually was just cover for general homophobia after all, who would have thought?

https://twitter.com/DavidPaisley/status/1399290132440784897

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

Guavanaut posted:

What's their current working definition of 'ethnic group'?

quote:

494. The definition of protected groups. While they specify the classes of prohibited conduct, international rules on genocide use a broad and loose terminology when indicating the various groups against which one can engage in acts of genocide, including references to notions that may overlap (for instance, “national” and “ethnical”). This terminology is criticised for referring to notions such as ‘race’, which are now universally regarded as outmoded or even fallacious. Nevertheless, the principle of interpretation of international rules whereby one should give such rules their maximum effect (principle of effectiveness, also expressed by the Latin maxim ut res magis valeat quam pereat) suggests that the rules on genocide should be construed in such a manner as to give them their maximum legal effects. It follows that by “national groups”, one should mean those sets of individuals which have a distinctive identity in terms of nationality or of national origin. On the other hand, “racial groups” comprise those sets of individuals sharing some hereditary physical traits or characteristics. “Ethnical groups” may be taken to refer to sets of individuals sharing a common language, as well as common traditions or cultural heritage. The expression “religious groups” may be taken to encompass sets of individuals having the same religion, as opposed to other groups adhering to a different religion.

...

498. The question of genocidal acts against groups that do not perfectly match the definitions of the four above mentioned groups. The genocide perpetrated in 1994 in Rwanda vividly showed the limitations of current international rules on genocide and obliged the Judges of the ICTR to place an innovative interpretation on those rules. The fact is that the Tutsi and the Hutu do not constitute at first glance distinct ethnic, racial religious or national groups. They have the same language, culture and religion, as well as basically the same physical traits. In Akayesu the ICTR Trial Chamber emphasized that the two groups were nevertheless distinct because (i) they had been made distinct by the Belgian colonizers when they established a system of identity cards differentiating between the two groups (§ 702), and (ii) the distinction was confirmed by the self-perception of the members of each group. As the Trials Chamber pointed out, “all the Rwandan witnesses who appeared before it invariably answered spontaneously and without hesitation the questions of the Prosecutor regarding their ethnic identity” (ibidem). The Trial Chamber also insisted on the fact that what was required by the international rules on genocide was that the targeted group be “a stable and permanent group”, “constituted in a permanent fashion and membership of which is determined by birth”, and be identifiable as such (§§ 511 and 702). The objective criterion of a “stable and permanent group”, which, if considered per se, could be held to be rather questionable, was supplemented in the ICTR case law (and subsequently in that of the ICTY) by the subjective standard of perception and self-perception as a member of a group. According to this case law, in case of doubt one should also establish whether (i) a set of persons are perceived and in fact treated as belonging to one of the protected groups, and in addition (ii) they consider themselves as belonging to one of such groups.

499. In short, the approach taken to determine whether a group is a (fully) protected one has evolved from an objective to a subjective standard to take into account that “collective identities, and in particular ethnicity, are by their very nature social constructs, “imagined” identities entirely dependent on variable and contingent perceptions, and not social facts, which are verifiable in the same manner as natural phenomena or physical facts”.

500. It would seem that the subjective test may usefully supplement and develop, or at least elaborate upon the standard laid down in the 1948 Convention and the corresponding customary rules on genocide. Indeed, the criteria initially used by courts to interpret and apply those treaty provisions and customary rules have proved either too loose or too rigid; in short, they were unable to take account of situations where manifestly there existed a stark opposition and conflict between two distinct sets of persons, one of which carried out the actus reus typical of genocide with the intent to destroy the other in whole or in part. Moreover, it would be erroneous to underestimate one crucial factor: the process of formation of a perception and self-perception of another group as distinct (on ethnic, or national, or religious or racial ground). While on historical and social grounds this may begin as a subjective view, as a way of regarding the others as making up a different and opposed group, it gradually hardens and crystallizes into a real and factual opposition. It thus leads to an objective contrast. The conflict, thus, from subjective becomes objective. It ultimately brings about the formation of two conflicting groups, one of them intent on destroying the other.

501. What matters from a legal point of view is the fact that the interpretative expansion of one of the elements of the notion of genocide (the concept of protected group) by the two International Criminal Tribunals is in line with the object and scope of the rules on genocide (to protect from deliberate annihilation essentially stable and permanent human groups, which can be differentiated on one of the grounds contemplated by the Convention and the corresponding customary rules). In addition, this expansive interpretation does not substantially depart from the text of the Genocide Convention and the corresponding customary rules, because it too hinges on four categories of groups which, however, are no longer identified only by their objective connotations but also on the basis of the subjective perceptions of members of groups. Finally, and perhaps more importantly, this broad interpretation has not been challenged by States. It may therefore be safely held that that interpretation and expansion has become part and parcel of international customary law.

(501 alludes to the disputes that occurred during the writing of the Convention itself over whether this should include political groups, e.g., social classes)

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Almost every coherent definition of ethnicity makes David Lammy more English than Jacob Rees-Mogg and I enjoy how much that winds some people up.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


keep punching joe posted:

Oh so Terfism actually was just cover for general homophobia after all, who would have thought?

https://twitter.com/DavidPaisley/status/1399290132440784897

Well, that's handy they've taken the mask off I guess

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I'm sure that the LGB Alliance will be along any minute to condemn trans people and ignore this.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1399307432850038785?s=19

If the Greens won a by election off Labour I'd laugh wildly and await the inevitable "Regardless, people want centrism"

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

I'm sure that the LGB Alliance will be along any minute to condemn trans people and ignore this.

They won't ignore it, they'll crow about it - they've been at the heart of the anti-Stonewall movement because of Stonewall campaigning for trans people.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Jesus Christ, will Not the Nine O'clock News ever stop being relevant?

https://youtu.be/Rl6TWGRcs6E

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1399307432850038785?s=19

If the Greens won a by election off Labour I'd laugh wildly and await the inevitable "Regardless, people want centrism"

Labour finally 20pts ahead of Tories though, TIGFKS

Party Boat
Nov 1, 2007

where did that other dog come from

who is he


Sheffield was a very local issue driven by the council trying to cut down loads of trees. It would be very funny if it was replicated in a general election though.

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1399307432850038785?s=19

If the Greens won a by election off Labour I'd laugh wildly and await the inevitable "Regardless, people want centrism"

I love how Labour assumed voters had nowhere else to go in Scotland for decades and watched all of their support evaporate off to the SNP... and now insist on just doubling down on the strategy.

Tesla was right
Apr 3, 2009

Whats with all the robot sex avatars?

Comrade Fakename posted:

What’s this about Milo’s standup?

Milo Edwards of Trashfuture performed his standup show Pindos in-person and with an online stream, too.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


I wondered why anyone in this thread was watching Milo Yiannopolis comedy

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


forkboy84 posted:

I wondered why anyone in this thread was watching Milo Yiannopolis comedy

Yeah, got to say, this is also what I assumed this was about. Sorry to the Trashfuture guy, but the nazi has managed a monopoly on the name.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Milo Edwards however is a rising star and Milo Y is still desperately trying to be relevant by calling himself ex-gay while still admitting to having gay sex but is calling his black husband his "housemate" instead.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

The Yiannopolis will always be outranked by the Milopenis.

Does anyone have a good non-paywalled source for the Liz Truss / stonewall stuff? Everyone online seems to be sharing the Times article which I can't view on my phone or share without giving page views / revenue to the terf papers.

E: also, is there a thread for the trashfuture podcast universe? I feel like there should be but I couldn't see one.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

goddamnedtwisto posted:

They won't ignore it, they'll crow about it - they've been at the heart of the anti-Stonewall movement because of Stonewall campaigning for trans people.

What the hell is it with the UK and terfs? We've got them here but everyone just tells them to shut the gently caress up. Why are there so drat many over there and how do they keep getting into positions of authority?

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Zeroisanumber posted:

Why are there so drat many over there and how do they keep getting into positions of authority?
You have to understand British authority, which is an ongoing succession of failsons gravitating ever upward because they went to the right schools and joined the right clubs.

Everyone in a position of authority is an idiot who believes whatever they're told as long as it comes alongside an expensive dinner and a bunch of freebies. Nobody actually understands the issues or the morality, they just repeat whatever they've been told is the good thing to say and then they get lovebombed by terfs to reinforce it.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Zeroisanumber posted:

What the hell is it with the UK and terfs? We've got them here but everyone just tells them to shut the gently caress up. Why are there so drat many over there and how do they keep getting into positions of authority?

You'd think it would be worse in the US, because it was weaponized into "They want to be able to use Bathrooms without judgement. Which is just a front so they can legally do horrible things to your kids."

But no, they are all over the UK. I think it's down to the fact that the UK people, as a whole, just love the taste of boot. There are just so many people who are happy to talk about the rules, and the proper way or doing things and so on that if enough of the "right people" tell them something, they will go along with it.

Mebh
May 10, 2010


It's always been impressive to me that to have power in this world you have to focus your efforts and abilities on the pursuit of power rather than the gaining of knowledge or understanding.

Sure there's a limit, you can't be expected to be an expert in every field, but it feels like you should be an expert in *something* just so you have an understanding of the limitations of knowledge and don't just Dunning Kruger your way to the top.

As a leader you should surround yourselves with smart people each with their own specialisations and then lean into their knowledge and use it to form your policies and opinions. Instead the only way to get into one of those "smart expert" fields is to be a specialist in politicking of the right clubs you got sent to as a kid.

All the while the system is set up to look like it's actually functional and doing what I just said to the casual observer. Instead of a bunch of bastards trying to out bastards each other for another slice of the poo poo pie.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Zeroisanumber posted:

What the hell is it with the UK and terfs? We've got them here but everyone just tells them to shut the gently caress up. Why are there so drat many over there and how do they keep getting into positions of authority?

A lot of them were in positions of authority decades ago. The world has moved on, they have not.

Basically the idea that institutions and political parties in the UK can ever be anything other than a blight and dead weight on people's lives getting better is a joke. Every aspect of the government just exists to make things worse.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
https://twitter.com/KieranTidmarsh/status/1398759616935301120

you love to see it

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Called my mum earlier and she asked "Do Newport County have any coloured players?" (They're in the League Two play off final.) When I said they did she said "They'll be getting abuse if Newport lose." I think I should go round and take her laptop off her :ohdear:

Dead Goon
Dec 13, 2002

No Obvious Flaws



I was thinking to myself them two ain't gonna do poo poo and then there was more than two!

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

bessantj posted:

Called my mum earlier and she asked "Do Newport County have any coloured players?" (They're in the League Two play off final.) When I said they did she said "They'll be getting abuse if Newport lose." I think I should go round and take her laptop off her :ohdear:

Did she follow it up "they'll be getting abuse, from me"?

I was regaling Twitter with the story of my mum calling my half-Malaysian sister in law "sort of latte coloured" yesterday

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Its how everyone seems to have beer guts in it.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

There seems to be a mindset where people extrnalise their own prejudices as "oh, other people will say..." Like they don't want to admit that it's what they thought, so they frame it as 'concerns' that 'other people' might think that.

My brother dyed his hair pillbox red (and to be fair he has great hair and it looked really good) and my Daily Mail reading Mam was up in arms about it, talking about 'what will people think' and 'people will call him names' and I just felt like no; you feel like that, you just don't want to admit it so you're pretending that other people are going to think that.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Also, non terf (afaik) & non paywalled page on the Liz Truss / Stonewall thing:

https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/05/31/stonewall-diversity-champions-liz-truss-government-trans-rights/

bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


MikeCrotch posted:

Did she follow it up "they'll be getting abuse, from me"?

For a moment it did seem like she meant that she'd be on twitter giving out. Thankfully she has no idea how to use most of social media, most of her Facebook usage is just smile reacting to posts.

bump_fn
Apr 12, 2004

two of them
i’m at the park and someone is blasting a club remix of wake me up by evanescence

summer is here

Azza Bamboo
Apr 7, 2018


THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021
Some of the discussion seems to be down to the age old nugget of essentialism vs constructivism. Essentialist thinking appeals to those who think they're being "rational" or understanding "nature". It's the idea that certain "things" have essential qualities and if those qualities are removed then it is no longer that "thing". For example, mammals are species whose females produce milk for their young. If its females don't lactate during child rearing, they're not mammals. That would be an essentialist argument. Constructivist thinking appeals more to socially orientated minds. Its the idea that everything we've thought of is a social construct. We described mammals for our own purposes, but could easily decide that the definition of mammals can change if we decide to deconstruct or reconstruct the concept. The essentialists get up in arms when the essences they're describing, particularly ones from what they perceive to be an external reality, are then changed. Constructivists get up in arms when there is a reason for changing a construct that is resisted for reasons that, to a constructivist, amount to begging the question (because essences don't exist).

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Azza Bamboo posted:

Some of the discussion seems to be down to the age old nugget of essentialism vs constructivism. Essentialist thinking appeals to those who think they're being "rational" or understanding "nature". It's the idea that certain "things" have essential qualities and if those qualities are removed then it is no longer that "thing". For example, mammals are species whose females produce milk for their young. If its females don't lactate during child rearing, they're not mammals. That would be an essentialist argument. Constructivist thinking appeals more to socially orientated minds. Its the idea that everything we've thought of is a social construct. We described mammals for our own purposes, but could easily decide that the definition of mammals can change if we decide to deconstruct or reconstruct the concept. The essentialists get up in arms when the essences they're describing, particularly ones from what they perceive to be an external reality, are then changed. Constructivists get up in arms when there is a reason for changing a construct that is resisted for reasons that, to a constructivist, amount to begging the question (because essences don't exist).

A fun example (that isn't to do with Diogenes and plucked chickens) is that if the definition for mammals is a) has hair and b) produces milk then a coconut is a mammal.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010

To understand the UK is to understand that everyone in this video votes tory.

Real Cool Catfish
Jun 6, 2011

Miftan posted:

A fun example (that isn't to do with Diogenes and plucked chickens) is that if the definition for mammals is a) has hair and b) produces milk then a coconut is a mammal.

Oh god, this whole time I thought it was okay for a vegetarian to eat coconuts.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

bump_fn posted:

i’m at the park and someone is blasting a club remix of wake me up by evanescence

summer is here

The summer of 2004, apparently

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Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Finally got a first dose of vaccine. No credit to the government gently caress you Boris.

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