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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Jakabite posted:

Police cameras is an issue quite close to my heart, and here’s my take. Body worn cameras are great if you assume that the footage will be made available to anyone who wants it, in most circumstances. The circumstances where this isn’t true is when crimes are being committed but for just reasons, which I believe to happen frequently. Body worn cameras are an active detriment to revolutionary leftism.

Now let’s look at the reality of bodycam. In almost all cases I’ve been even tangentially involved with, body worn camera when in plod’s favour has been used against the defendant. When it isn’t it has a tendency to disappear or, unfortunately, for the defence to not be effective enough in pursuing it. The key issue you have here is that despite protocol and law and blah blah blah that’s a police video camera on a police body going to a police database via police channels. If the police don’t want you to have that footage bad enough and you haven’t got crack lawyers, you’ve had it. Body cameras put you at the mercy of the integrity of the police as a whole. If you’re a moron that might seem fine but most of you aren’t so you’ll see the issue here.

I started life as a fairly serious political activist with the opinion bodycams were basically good. I now feel they’re one of the worst inventions for pursuing true justice you could ever invent. Take that for what you will. In terms of alternatives I think you can’t beat a culture of friendly folk recording the filth themselves and making that footage available to defendants.
A Good Post. Leftists often talk like bodycams are some kind of panacea, but literally every expert on civil liberties that I know is violently against them. They aren't used to protect the public, they are used to protect coppers, and they also turn every copper into a walking security camera which is, uh, problematic.

Solidarity to everyone out protesting today btw.

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Borrovan
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

This isn't the case in Wales. GP jabs seem to have given the date for the second at the time you get the first, but mass vacc centres just gave an indication, not a set date.
The phoning up / online booking is England only.
I think it varies by region. I got my first jab (Wales, 30s, healthy) this week, they did give me a fixed date & time. No letter or anything, just got an unexpected text saying I had an appointment in like 3 days. Apparently I'll get another one when it's time for the second. Same for non-vulnerable people I know locally, but vulnerable people got the GP appointments & people out of town got letters.

It made me very sick yesterday & I'm still knackered.
(e: Pfizer)

Borrovan
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Am I missing something or are most of those things actually good?

Like obviously they'll be implemented in such a way as to rob most of the real benefit & convert it into more cash in the pockets of Tory doners, but, uh, this looks a lot better than anything Starmer's offering

Borrovan
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G1mby posted:

I guess we'll have to see - building more homes sounds good, but doing it just by loosening planning rules is no guarantee that it'll actually work. You can have a lot of lofty intentions but we'll have to see what these things actually do in practice.

Hallucinogenic Toreador posted:

These ones scream "lets funnel money to our mates"
Yeah obviously even the best sounding things will be implemented by the Tories and therefore any real benefits will be incidental to the primary goal of funnelling money to the rich, but, like, that still sounds better than "we'll do austerity or something to show how responsible we are and also more flags", which seems to be Labour's offer. Obviously all the ideological racism & fascism in the Tory party isn't worth any possible pay-off, but on-paper it looks like Starmer is genuinely getting outflanked from the left by an actual fascist.

Reversing the Health & Social Care Act is legit good though, I'll be interested to see what the monkey's paw does to that one

Borrovan
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e: ^^^yeah the implementation of each & every policy on there will be utter dogshit but I'm just looking at that list having a :wtc: moment that on paper the Tories are genuinely looking more economically left wing than Labour rn

Nothingtoseehere posted:

Rishi is much more of a damaging influence to the country than Boris at the moment
Economically, yeah, but imo the biggest danger to the country right now is the absolute trampling over civil liberties & all the ideological racism in the cabinet. Boris could be promising communal ownership of the means of production & I'd still be looking at him & Priti Patel & thinking "yeah I'm good thx"

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 18:07 on May 2, 2021

Borrovan
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Finn's Law 2: This Time It's A Capital Offence

e: also introducing a specific offence preventing the prominent display of rainbow colours in horizontal stripes :lgbtflagwithcryingpolicehorse:

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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a pipe smoking dog posted:

Untagged spoilers
:colbert:

(I'm not actually watching the show, just being a Responsible Citizen. Or a dick, one of those)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Call me gullible or w/e, but I'm actually prepared to give Fox the benefit of the doubt wrt the milk thing, since it is an Extremely Online nazi thing but a moderately current anti-lockdown/pro-death thing.

Whether Charles Walker knew it was a nazi thing is another matter, the dude's a Tory MP after all & it's a bizarre enough symbol that I guess he might have done it with a nudge & a wink.

Gonzo McFee posted:

Turns out the reason it keeps getting brought up and never leads to anything is because The Queen doesn't even want the thing and thinks it'll look bad her getting a free yacht at a time when everyone else has to do without.
tfw you're more of a monarchist than the actual reigning monarch

Borrovan
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The Perfect Element posted:

Is anyone able to advise on a decent bike for me to buy via my works cycle to work scheme? I don't want anything fancy at all, just something I can go to the shops on, with maybe the occasional longer distance country ride. Comfy and reliable is what I'm after.

Sorry if this is the wrong place, it's just that the UKMT hive mind knows everything.
I bought literally the cheapest Raleigh hybrid on the market a decade ago & it's still going strong. Got it to replace a (stolen) Claud Butler costing over triple, & honestly I prefer the Raleigh, basically the same bike to ride but doesn't seem to need anywhere near as much maintenance (maintenance issues probably compounded by doing literally thousands of miles on the Claud as I didn't drive back then, but fixing stuff on the Raleigh just seems easier).

e: I had a steel frame before I got the Claud & was very happy switching to alloy, because I was young & lived in the countryside & being able to go "hmm I can shave a few miles off my journey by carrying the bike over 2 fences & a wheat field" made my life a lot easier, but yeah I guess that's a pretty niche advantage

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 10:09 on May 4, 2021

Borrovan
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therattle posted:

I hope you roast your broccoli.
Brushed with oil & barbecued > roasted.

Made these barbecued teriyaki tofu steaks with broccoli & courgettes the other week, they're excellent (the food photography on that page isn't great so you might have to trust me).

stev posted:

Cauliflower cheese is just a waste of perfectly good cheesy sauce.
Ignoring just quite whatever the hell is wrong with your palette, making cauliflower cheese with Sunday lunch is an absolute pro-move even aside from the deliciousness of the cauliflower cheese itself, because (a)it makes your bubble & squeak so much better, & (b)since you're making a nice mustardy cheese sauce anyway you might as well make a bunch extra & do croque monsieur for lunch on Monday.

I legit enjoy the leftovers from Sunday lunch more than the lunch itself.

Borrovan
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I seem to remember the vegan cheese they use at the pizza bar thingies in Asda being pretty good, I'd eat it by choice but jfc the macros on vegan cheese

Borrovan
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feedmegin posted:

I just got an election leaflet for the London elections from the SDP. How's life back there in 1985, grandpa :corsair:
Nowadays it's mostly populated by UKIP defectors & Rod Liddle :eng101:

PS solidarity Owlfancier, that's a loving dumb probe if ever I saw one

Borrovan
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Nothingtoseehere posted:

Wales is ahead of the UK in general on vaccinations - I don't know if they've secured a greater share of the supply for some reasons or they've been faster at distributing it.
I heard from someone in London back when the vaccinations started rolling out (& London was well behind) that they were basing the allocations on the number of GP surgeries, rather than patients, meaning that places with a higher population density (& more patients per surgery) weren't getting as much, whereas average rural Welsh surgery only has like 2 pensioners and a sheep on the books so we got a disproportionate amount of vaccines

Just a rumour that was going around in London, idk if it has legs

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Relevant to both cornuto & u brexit: I'm going TUSC for my first vote & Plaid for my second. My reasoning is that Labour are very unlikely to lose on my constituency seat anyway, & Labour losing votes to an unambiguously left wing party can't really be spun any other way (I mean, they can & will lie about it but they know what happened). TUSC is full of trots & also Steve Hedley, but they're better than the Communist Party tankies, & one of those is the only way to send a clear message. There's loving loads of anti lockdown parties for people to vote for if they want,* so not voting for them can't really be seen as an anti lockdown vote.

Plaid get the list vote because they're the best way of keeping Tories, fascists & Tory fascists out, certainly in my region a tactical Plaid vote is pretty much mandatory.

*was looking into the South Wales PCC candidates today, there's one who actually sounds good, talked about the right to protest, name dropped a lad the police murdered recently & the awful police conduct at the protest, some good stuff about keeping young people out of the criminal justice system. So I googled the party name & saw a big NO MORE LOCKDOWNS IN WALES, ugh :smith: (I'm going Plaid for that if anybody cares, it's either them, anti lockdown, Lib Dem or your choice of Very Pro Cop)

Borrovan
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You know who else liked to make lists of circumcised people?

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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I was try to :godwin: but honestly those are much funnier

Borrovan
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Gonzo McFee posted:

Art will continue as it has done in the past ten years. Exclusively made up of the children of born to wealth cunts with fake titles and names like Chundly Barseflaps. It's just money moving up the ladder and never coming down again.
Literally all good art is made by working class people (who make no money off it because of gutting funding & not being called Chundly Barseflaps). This is a bad take.

sebzilla posted:

Voted TUSC where available (one council candidate out of three) and also for an Independent who dropped a leaflet round focussing mainly on public transport and cycle paths, and one Labour candidate who is actually good.

Also Lib Dem for PCC because they're married to a friend of mine and it's a bullshit position anyway so who cares?

It's weird being politically homeless.
The Lib Dem PCC candidate in South Wales actually sounds legit good, I just cannot trust anyone in a yellow rosette.

Genuinely wish someone would just run as an Independent gently caress The Police Candidate, I reckon they might actually be in with a good shout in some places

Borrovan
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Since this is my first post of the day, I feel honour-bound to point out: lol

Aramoro posted:

Because of the 2019 Election? This line of thought is the same as Mandleson on the radio this morning except he took it all the way back to the last time Labour won an election it was Tony Blair.
2019:2017::2021:1997, I am very smart

A better comparison would be 2015. It immediately pissed me off in 2019 that everyone was all like "we must remember the lessons of this historic defeat by going back to exactly what caused our last historic defeat" - 2015 was genuinely historic, a governing party has never gained seats like that, it was a shitshow and there were serious lessons to be learned from it. What Labour really should be doing is learning the lessons from all of it: New Labour sold the public a positive vision, which they then instantly betrayed with lovely politics, but the Labour right are just going "remember when we won with lovely politics, we should do lovely politics again", rather than "remember how we got in despite the lovely politics that turned everyone against us". Conversely, more recent elections tell us that good politics are actually quite popular, but that bearded leftists aren't. Starmer had so much goodwill when he got elected on a broadly left-wing set of pledges, if he'd actually done what a lot of people thought he would (Corbynesque policies with an establishment face), he could actually be winning. What he does next will be the real litmus test for whether he actually has any interest in winning or not, imo: if he doesn't get rid of all the loving Mandelsons &c around him, Labour is loving done, and loving useless though he is I don't think he can possible be stupid enough to not notice that.

Borrovan
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jabby posted:

Important to remember that the stuff Labour MPs are spouting on the news/twitter are the pre-prepared "we lost" lines. Of course they're going to blame Corbyn and the toxic brand and blah blah still climbing the mountain.

But the scale of the defeat makes it all blatently untrue even to the most self-deluded. They're saying it because its what they had prepared to say, but it won't be what the PLP are actually thinking. It's obvious to everyone Starmer has done far worse than Corbyn even in 2019. Which is what makes it so delicious.
Yeah this is why I'm just enjoying a hearty lol at all the TIBFJC rather than getting angry. Whatever they say publicly is not reflective of the conversations that are being had behind closed doors. If there's any hope of getting anything resembling a functioning opposition, it needs to start from the loving Blairites admitting that maybe it is in fact not the children who are wrong, and this is pretty loving compelling evidence.

Slim chance of them realising that I know, but their gravy train is gonna derail itself otherwise, and that's no real loss to the rest of us.

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Guavanaut posted:

Any half-decent party could make political capital out of things like armed robberies against people not even involved with growing cannabis as a strong case for a regulated legal market, and every time it's polled it seems to get a majority in support.
The argument's been a bit poisoned lately by the legal weed market being terrible, meaning that there's actually a thriving black market so their lovely version of legalisation is making criminality worse (apologies for bad sources, cba to find better ones but my partner taught a module on drug policy this year and I can vouch that there are a bunch of academic sources saying "hmm if legalisation good then why this lovely version of it bad, checkmate libs")

Borrovan
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https://twitter.com/Political_AlanS/status/1390635594821292036
Really putting the boot into NIP here

Borrovan
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I don't know about you guys but if this carries on much longer I might start to doubt that Keir Starmer is 100% the shrewd political operator he was sold to us as

Borrovan
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JordanKai posted:

Has Labour gained ground anywhere this year?
Yes.

Specifically, a handful of Scottish seats where SNP were shoo-ins and Labour were second and Tories were third, where some Tory unionists look to have thrown them a tactical vote.

That or Starmer's big genius brain political acumen is working on those exact people & nobody else, idk

Borrovan
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MikeCrotch posted:

Outside of parliament the big thing seems to be tenants unions and eviction resistance since if there's one thing a lot of people can agree on its that landlords are bastards
Imo just continue with whatever organising/mutual aid/whatever activism you're doing:- the right are going to try to spin this as the left's fault, but that's such a flagrant denial of reality that they can't keep it up just as long as the left keeps doing more & more left poo poo & they keep losing.

We're winning comrades, keep going (do not quote this tomorrow if the Tories get London or Wales)

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 17:55 on May 7, 2021

Borrovan
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Lmao Holy poo poo
Yours was better :)

Borrovan
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multijoe posted:

The Labour Right would prefer the party be erased from existence than allow a left winger to lead again. Even if the membership did somehow make it happen we'd be straight back in the position of having a fifth column who control the internal bureaucracy deliberately trying to lose
We can't realistically expect a socialist leader but we can realistically hope for a conciliatory soft-left shadow cabinet desperately trying to pretend that they were left-wing all along, now they've got to worry about their own jobs

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 18:22 on May 7, 2021

Borrovan
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The Senedd constituency next to mine is in, increased the Labour majority by a few thousand, looks to have taken votes directly from the Tories. Legit surprised, it's been a marginal for years, CLP is kinda left & largely relies on nearby (leftier) constituencies for campaigning, which definitely wasn't happening this year. Wondering if it's pro-Drakeford votes, since all the olds got their vaccines early

Borrovan
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PawParole posted:

Labour haven't 'learned lessons' because they all think they are the group to teach the lesson and that the problem is other factions won't listen.
As an educator, if none of my students were listening I'd assume that I was pretty loving poo poo at teaching lessons

Borrovan
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Bardeh posted:

Dartford's UKIP voters decided to switch to....Green? :dafuq:
It's happened in a few places: Labour Brexiters came back to Labour, whilst the Labour left switched to Green. 2 separate phenomena

Borrovan
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

schadenfreude

but I guess you know that :D
Schoodenfroodie doesn't properly describe enjoying this. The Labour Right were all prepared for celebration in 2017 & actually over the moon in 2019, after deliberately sabotaging an election the loss of which would definitely kill thousands of people. The left did not sabotage this, we just didn't campaign for a bunch of cunts. And, no significant power has been handed over to the Tories, there's no serious consequences: this outcome is actually for the best, in the long run, since it will hopefully lead to the country actually having an opposition party, one that actually makes at least token gestures towards socialism. If we happen to get to watch our enemies suffer whilst a good thing happens, there's no shame in that :D

I did not vote Labour for the first time in my life in the Senedd, but I actually didn't expect them to get owned this hard, and I've got to say I'm pleasantly surprised how the narrative is going with Welsh Labour's relative success: relatively left wing Welsh Labour gains ground, whilst right wing English Labour eats poo poo with a rusty spoon :unsmigghh:

e:
https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1390465305038761987
lmao eat poo poo centrists (hopefully the independent isn't fash, I just quoted for the 42)

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 7, 2021

Borrovan
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I don't think the left are the ones trying to court retired property owners

Bit patronising of Ash tbh, yes I know that working renters have different class interests to retired property owners thanks

Borrovan
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Uh, is this accurate? It doesn't sound accurate.

Anyway I did a projection based on number of MPs elected yesterday & it turned out a whopping 650 seat majority for the Tories

e: I just double checked the overall results so far & I think this might be a bit creative with the truth

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Borrovan
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I saw a guy in that getup in court once, turned out he nonced his sister

Borrovan
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I mean I thought it was a cool outfit at first, went right off the whole cowboy look by the end though

Borrovan
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Keith yesterday: I'm not making excuses
Keith today: the virus ate my policies

Borrovan
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That was PLAYING PARTY POLITICS though, which is bad

Doing good things that people like is cheating

Borrovan
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Just caught BBC news on the radio, they're still uncritically reporting that Rayner was sacked :laugh:

Was far too drunk to post last night but thanks all for keeping me up laughing hysterically til like 3am

Maugrim posted:

Been meaning to say, I'm glad to see you back itt Azza.
Same :)

Borrovan
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Failed Imagineer posted:

It's a very US approach to fundraising, all those DNC consultants are really showing their work
jfc I gave a bunch of money to split bail funds ONCE last year and it somehow got me on like a hundred Democrat begging lists, I've blocked, unsubscribed or sent a bunch of expletives to more than I can count and still get the odd one that slipped through the net. It's not just the guilt tripping & sliminess of them, half of them are packed with lies that would make the loving Tories blush. Really makes you glad not to be a yank.

Borrovan
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Even aside from the fact that Rayner can't be trusted, putting a left candidate in now would cause a civil war worse than anything we saw under Corbyn imo, the hard right would rather destroy the party completely & the press would help them. The smarter move would be a soft left leader with no factional ties to the SCG imo, so the hard right can sort of get behind them without losing too much face. The Burnham's &c might be lovely regressives at heart, but they're smart enough to know which way the electoral wind is blowing & at least pay lip service to the labour movement to keep the unions & campaigners onside.

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e: ^^^^ what did Donegal ever do to her :( (e2: my bad it's just another Wales up there, yeah we could probably use a spare I'm sold)

multijoe posted:

I mean this is a pretty fair summary but also encapsulates why the Labour Party is untenable as a political project and must be allowed to die. If you're in an organisation called the 'Socialist Campaign Group' and are too cowed to even field a candidate due the psychoticial belligerent fascists you share a party with, what the hell is your point
Allowing the party to die, whether by the SCG overplaying its hand or Starmer carrying on doing exactly what he is doing, basically just means becoming a one party state led by fascists. There is no viable left wing opposition party waiting in the wings, nor enough socialist MPs to make one, and I personally just don't believe that the SDPv2 party that would probably form would get any more votes than the Lib Dems do already, meaning that we'd have even less opposition to the Tories' heinous poo poo than we do now.

There was never a purely parliamentary path to socialism, but there was never an extraparliamentary one either. To achieve lasting positive change, you need both a Government that's broadly sympathetic to the labour movement and an organised working class putting pressure on them from outside. imo the Corbyn years have massively strengthened the extraparliamentary labour movement by getting so many more people engaged in left wing politics, & that's put the Labour Party in the position where they basically have to choose, start at least paying lip service to the labour movement or die.

Looks like they're choosing wrong, but that is a terrible thing for the country.

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