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Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Spinz posted:

Suggestion: with what we know now, go to the dentist. I MASSIVELY hosed up by not going soon after I was vaxed.
I'm trying to decide if it's worth the risk to go get my teeth cleaned. They really need it, but I was Pfizered in April. My appointment is Aug 30, so late in order to be the first one at 8 a.m.
:negative:

Gum disease is increasingly linked to a whole host of co-morbidities, so it's not just for the sake of fresh breath. Go get em done.

Most dentists are pretty cautious anyway, given the whole "our job creates a ton of aerosols". They're all masked to hell and back, and usually only letting in one patient at a time.

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Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Kirk Vikernes posted:

I was surprised when I took my twin boys for a check-up and being in Indiana, I didn't expect any Covid precautions anymore. However, their dentist still requires masks and was only letting people in the building by phone or text. It was a pleasant surprise and made me feel much better about taking them.

To my understanding they have already have high rates of lung disease from sitting around and inhaling tooth dust all day, so no surprise they don't want any outside help turning their lungs into pudding.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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LanceHunter posted:

https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1420852746966741007?s=20

Biden mandating the vaccine for all Americans would be the wildest possible move.

I'm very, very, very pro-vaccination but I am not in favor of any administration claiming this power. That's like a step or two away from President Donald Trump Jr. mandating hydroxychloroquine.

Anti-vax federal workers can get hosed. You want to work for Uncle Sam? Then you follow his rules.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Explain to me like I’m 5 - aren’t vaccines mandatory for babies?

No they're not. They're recommended, and mandated by individual states for public schooling, etc. But no Federal mandate, nor power to do so, exists.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

Cross post from other thread



https://streamable.com/v49jwh

Very worth the listen

Bet you $20 he supports "right to work" policies.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Blitter posted:

30% of recent cases are breakthroughs

5% require hospitalization but 1. 4% of breakthroughs have died - roughly the same CFR as with wildtype before the vaccines.

You're kind of leaning in the same base rate fallacy direction as the article you're complaining about.

30% of recent cases on its own just tells you that they have a high rate of vaccinations. It doesn't say anything useful about the efficacy of the vaccine against delta because you're missing a denominator or two.

Now if they had said, "30% of those who are vaccinated and exposed up with a break through infection", then yes, the numbers would be much grimmer.

The higher the vaccinated population, the more breakthroughs there are going to be in the vaccinated population vs unvaxxed, just simply because there are a lot of vaccinated people out there.

Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Aug 5, 2021

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Plant MONSTER. posted:

I'm split between A and D 50-50

That's such a C thing to say.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Their big thing (aside from having really, really good gas station food) is how clean their bathrooms are, so their advertisements are about how people should hold off on using the bathroom until they can get to the Bucees 70 miles down the road.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/18/texas-couple-declined-covid-19-vaccine-died-orphans/

Making your kids orphans because you trusted facebook over medical professionals.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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mom and dad fight a lot posted:

^^^ Can you copy/paste? I'm getting paywalled. tia ^^^

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/quick-javascript-switcher/geddoclleiomckbhadiaipdggiiccfje?hl=en

Voila. No more paywall.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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EL BROMANCE posted:

Of course there’s benefits and it was always going to happen, I’m just taking swipes at the so-called hesitant people who’ll now be finding new reasons to not get it rather than just admit they’re part of the anti vax loon brigade.

I saw someone on reddit refer to them as "spreadnecks" and I can't think of anti-vaxxers as anything but.
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Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

I’ve read that Malaria is still the Murder King of diseases, I wonder how COVID will compare

Not even remotely close. But then it hasn't really been a "rich" country problem since it was eliminated from the Netherlands in the 60s.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Blinding yourself to own the libs.

(one of the side effects of Ivermectin is (usually) temporary blindness.

Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Aug 24, 2021

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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There's also https://reddit.com/r/COVIDatemyface

I don't really get any schadenfreude. Mostly just depressed for all of these low IQ people being manipulated into dying for their death cult.

I just searched public posts on facebook for the word "ventilator" and now I'm depressed for the rest of the day.

Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Aug 25, 2021

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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https://twitter.com/Erni3_M/status/1427631495938727948

Things are going super!

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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mom and dad fight a lot posted:

The medical community giving legitimacy to crackpot bullshit will never cease to infuriate me.

The teaching pharmacy at the UT School for Pharmacy sold homeopathic cures while I was there. I asked the pharmacist in charge if they were willing to sell healing crystals as well.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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https://www.tiktok.com/embed/6998078138420890886

Fun times, these.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Oh no! This is really going to cost him the anti-vaxxer chud vote!

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Given how many of these patriots believe with 10,000% certainty that the vaccines are killing people by the tens of thousands, it's a good thing that none of them have untreated mental illness and large arsenals.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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PhazonLink posted:

how did mRNA tech fly under the radar?

I seem to recall something called "bacteria phages" was suppose to be one of the future supa medical science thing, and it was a pop science topic of the week/month, but then the hype died and it went into the slow grind/small incremental advancement part of the science cycle.

It wasn't until about 10 years ago that they figured out how to keep it somewhat shelf stable (by suspending it in fat), so it wasn't scaleable.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Three Olives posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=embMAtagQiU



This is a really weird issue for conservative politicians to choose as a hill they want to climb, the vaccine is not only extremely popular, the people that have had it are starting to get really angry at the people that haven't gotten it and view them as dangerous idiots.

Abbot is being primaried from the right. His only choice is to appeal to the crazies who vote in the R primary.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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CNN interviewed a West Virginia anti-vaxxer. He believes COVID is real and serious, but he also believes the vaccine was delayed in order to cost Trump the election, so he's refusing to get vaccinated for that reason.

He really thinks he's owning the libs.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/johnsonandjohnson-cancer/

They were knowingly poisoning people with asbestos for decades.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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EL BROMANCE posted:

Coincides with me needing to get some new masks in. I remember people posting links for some online stores they can vouch for when it comes to decent n95, any chance they can again? (Might be worth adding some to the OP too, as I checked there first and others might do too). Naturally, I don’t trust Amazon.

This guy went all in on N95s at the start, and is now getting screwed as Uncle Sam decided the domestic N95 manufacturing base it was trying to build up is no longer important.

https://www.armbrustusa.com/

I've ordered a bunch of their masks and am quite happy with them.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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The early studies I've been seeing put the sweet spot for Real Ultimate Immunity from a 3rd dose at 8 months after the 2nd dose. Since I'm a computer toucher I feel good to just isolate until then.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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https://twitter.com/aliasvaughn/status/1436104636646187010

I'll never self-righteously roll my eyes at Africans attacking Ebola hospitals again.

https://twitter.com/AliNouriPhD/status/1411761475719401482

Everyone who can only poop at home, your body is trying to protect you.

Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Sep 13, 2021

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Went through a nice doomscroll this morning of an immunologist's twitter who is quite bullish on long covid being a major, major thing for society going forward, even for the vaccinated.

https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1434113892649783299

Made me very interested in the results of this testing

https://newatlas.com/health-wellbeing/pfizer-coronavirus-pill-human-trials-protease-inhibitors/

Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 20:11 on Sep 13, 2021

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Crackbone posted:

TL;DR: We hosed?

He's not a fan of the herd immunity approach to endemic status. Evidence is pointing toward COVID killing cumulatively, each infection (even mild) layering on more damage, until suddenly you have end stage renal disease. They're starting to see signs of kidney/lung damage in even asymptomatic folks, and it adds up over time.

There might be a lot less pearl clutching over the next 10-20 years about stem cell research. In the meantime, unless we get good anti-virals (protease inhibitors) or a vaccine that sterilizes (keeps you from spreading it), we may be heading toward a mass disability event on the scale of polio.

https://twitter.com/dgurdasani1/status/1435694962641879042

Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Sep 13, 2021

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Zugzwang posted:

This is especially cool vis-a-vis the hacks who are promoting “natural immunity”

https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1374525558214692868

Vaccines are the best we have right now, but until we can get a sterilizing vaccine, and decent anti-virals that can mitigate its ravages, reinfections will continue to accumulate damage.

Doomtweet special:

https://twitter.com/DrLindaDykes/status/1434271289691279362

Scarodactyl posted:

I think that it's too early to get too worried about this kind of speculation based on fairly thin data.

Agreed. But since I'm a computer toucher, I might as well continue isolating/N95'ing until we at least hear if there are promising anti-virals on the horizon.

Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Sep 13, 2021

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Something fun to think about, the disease we're shitposting about now in a few decades will be what kills some of us in old age.

Assuming global warming doesn't just solve everything for us.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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The Modern Leper posted:

Jokes aside: if someone uses coconut oil as lube, will they gain weight as their mucous membranes absorb the oil?

Asking for a friend.

If you put it in your hoohah you can get a yeast infection.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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https://twitter.com/DrZoeHyde/status/1437803167568199680

https://twitter.com/fitterhappierAJ/status/1437951244547629063

Gimme dat protease inhibitor

Raskolnikov2089 fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Sep 15, 2021

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

I strongly disagree with this interpretation- 12 monkeys was pretty decent, I just saw it !

He meant some other bad movie called 12 Monkeys, not the Terry Gilliam one.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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FDA voted down boosters. Anyone else planning to lie in a few months?

I'm going to wait until it's 8 months past my 2nd dose.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Pulvis Sumus posted:

Absolutely getting a booster before the holidays lmao.

They're almost certainly going to revisit this, since *everyone* else in the world is already doing boosters. Since Im a computer toucher and have returned to isolating I feel good that they'll approve boosters by the time my 8mos past 2nd dose have passed. If not, "This is my first shot" seems to unlock those doors.

Sorry to all the essential workers being thrown into the pit of Moloch.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:

Are they? I can't think of any countries doing third boosters outside of the super old and immunocompromised/cancer patients, etc...

Fair. Israel is offering boosters to everyone, rest of the world is still doing old/immunocompromised.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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QuarkJets posted:

If in most people boosters really aren't more effective than 2 doses after 8 months then that's actually really good news.

"" posted:

In a presentation Friday, Dr. Sharon Elroy-Preiss of Israel’s Health Ministry argued that if officials there had not begun distributing boosters at the end of July, the nation likely would have exceeded its hospital capacity. Health officials began to see a trend, she said, of individuals in their 40s and 50s who were fully vaccinated become critically ill with Covid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/17/fda-panel-begins-voting-on-pfizers-covid-booster-doses-rejecting-shots-for-general-public.html

I know I'm Veruca Salt'ing here, but I WANT IT I WANT IT

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Big City Drinkin posted:

It's very likely that non-olds don't need the boost. Simpson's paradox is hard at work in all these efficacy reports, illustrated very nicely in this worked example showing (i) you have to stratify by age to understand what's going on, and (ii) the boosters really do help old people and don't really do anything for young people: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/what-do-new-israeli-data-say-about-effect-of-vaccines-boosters-vs-death-critical-severe-disease. It's based on the Israeli data.

Also lol at the goons already scheming to get an explicitly non-FDA approved COVID prophylactic. Where have we seen that kind of behavior before??

Good call out, but deaths aren't the only metric to consider given the prevalence of long covid in even mild infections. I'm not worried that I need a booster to not die, or stay out of the hospital. My best bet there is to stay healthy and exercise.

Avoiding long cv is my big goal, at least until there are some decent anti-virals on the market.

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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These are Pfizer boosters only by the way. Moderna is still up for discussion at some nebulous future date. Same with J&J folks.

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Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

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Platystemon posted:

Delta isn’t going to be around for the rest of your life.

Something will outcompete it.

I'm sure whatever pandemic our climate change hellscape spits out after COVID will leave the long covid survivors alone.

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