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Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

compshateme85 posted:

Vaccinated people will stop testing, so the positivity rate will not be reflective of the virus circulation. This will make it harder to track the spread of variants.

Aussie here. My state currently has a community transmission case and all close contacts have to isolate regardless of vaccination status. Casual contacts have to get tested regardless of vaccination status if they develop symptoms.

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Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

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Hippie Hedgehog posted:

Are there numbers for "long covid" sufferers in the US?

An Australian study has found it to be 20-30%, and that includes younger people and those who only had mild illness. I've seen overseas estimates of over 50% in those who required hospitalisation.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Zeroisanumber posted:

I noticed that I felt clearer-headed after I got my vaxx shot. I didn't think that I was suffering from any post-Covid stuff but in retrospect I think I still had lingering exhaustion.

This effect is currently being studied. Obviously the vaccine isn't going to repair damaged organs but there's reason to hope it will help with other long covid symptoms (interestingly, people have reported the improvement as being immediate rather than gradual). If we're really lucky, we may find out more about other post-viral syndromes, too.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Helith posted:


I just wish you would take that extra step and drive it down to no community spread the way Australia and NZ have done.

We don't have no community spread. Right now we're under restrictions because of a community case.

Genomic testing shows that this guy must have got it via transmission from hotel quarantine to the community but the missing link remains unidentified despite exhaustive contact tracing.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Helith posted:

It’s not sustained community spread luckily and our contact tracing does a good job of containing what little community spread we occasionally get. If the UK were down to the occasional quarantine outbreak the way we are I would feel a lot happier for my family there.

I will feel a lot happier when our vaccination rate catches up with that of other countries. We need to continue a multi-dimensional approach and strengthen it where we can.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

I don't necessarily think the conclusion is wrong, but I don't think throwing more money at the WHO is the answer to preventing future pandemics.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

hakimashou posted:

Maybe next time people will remember the lessons of NZ, Australia, Taiwan and other places that did a good job dealing with covid. It requires strict border closures and quarantine of all travelers, the country has to isolate itself.

We could have done a lot better and we should have slammed our borders shut sooner. That we flattened the curve so well during the first wave was as much good luck as good management. Our second wave exposed the deficiencies.

It's great that we did well in global terms, but we need to lift the bar and gave a strategy for doing better when the next pandemic comes along. We cannot afford to be arrogant about our successes.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Australia seems to have settled on Moderna as the booster of choice for next year.

Lolie fucked around with this message at 09:54 on May 13, 2021

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Platystemon posted:

I think it’s a good decision.

I like Moderna’s mRNA-1273.351 booster and general strategy.

Which means Scotty from marketing is bound to gently caress it up somehow.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Regarde Aduck posted:

If there’s anything to take away from this it’s that the world can’t sit back and watch developing nations suffer because the virus needs suppressing everywhere at once. Not that this is new information but our glorious leaders still don’t get it.

Countries with excess doses are already looking at how they're going to allocate them to the developing world. That's especially important as Covax may not be able to provide the amounts originally expected.

That said, immunisation is going to make the biggest difference in those nations but the quantities of vaccine required, and the infrastructure for getting it into the arms of the population, don't exist.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

gleebster posted:

That said, I ate at a diner yesterday and was as nervous as a cat the whole time. This "other people" stuff is going to take a while to get used to again.

I went to see Hamilton a couple of weeks ago and while I was OK in the theatre, I was really anxious about eating at the venue.

A community case was discovered a few days later and the patient had been to a large amount of locations. Fortunately, the casino wasn't one of them.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
I had my first dose of AZ about 5 weeks ago at a physician led vaccination clinic because that's how they were advising 1b people would be vaccinated prior to the vaccine becoming available at GP practices. Today I got an email telling me that I'm eligible to receive Pfizer at a large, hospital-based vaccination hub. I took the AZ precisely because it was supposed to be the only vaccine available to me. Grrr.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

mania posted:

Goddamn there are 38 community case today in Singapore, of which 18 we’re not linked to any previous cases.


How good is your contact tracing? We have world class contact tracing and only recently have we had a single case where we've been unable to find the missing link. A year ago our contact tracing wasn't so robust and that made containing community spread more difficult.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

CaptainSarcastic posted:

One of the problems in talking about immunity are the fuckwits out there who treat vaccination as some kind of anointment, where covid is simply not a concern anymore and they can lick all the lamp posts they want now and forevermore. Add in the CDC unexpectedly dropping "forget about masks if you're vaccinated" then it makes the whole situation really disturbing. I'm planning to keep wearing masks the same way I was for the indefinite future, but I'm also lucky I live in a place where I am unlikely to have idiots step up on me for doing so.

Masks on public transport and in shopping centres get mandated here pretty much any time there's a case of community transmission. The moment the mandate is lifted, the vast majority of people stop wearing masks (there was a snap lockdown a couple of weeks ago which started in the early evening and most people didn't even have masks with them).

While I'd like to think that people will keep wearing masks as we head into flu season and while our vaccination rate is so low, the evidence suggests otherwise.

Lolie fucked around with this message at 00:37 on May 17, 2021

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

MarcusSA posted:

But you know you are vaccinated.

Also one thing that struck me over the past few is that the vaccine was treated as the holy grail and once it rolls out to enough people the end will be in sight.

That doesn’t seem to be the case looking over posts in this thread.

Is this just a matter of people not understanding how vaccines and immunity in general work, because we seem to accept that other vaccines aren't 100% effective and we should be celebrating that vaccines as effective as these have been developed in such a short period of time.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Whatever the UK and the US got wrong, they've done an amazing job with vaccination.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Helith posted:

Hey, if there are any 40-49 year old NSW goons in this thread you can get vaxxed right now with Pfizer. My husband and I registered our interest yesterday and got an invite today to book an appointment and we're going to the vax hub at Olympic Park next week.

Register here https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/vaccine/Pages/community.aspx

Some people over 50 can also get Pfizer. I got an email on Sunday inviting me to book for the Westmead hospital hub. Blacktown hospital will also have a Pfizer hub, apparently (these things should have happened a couple of months ago).

AZ is now available at GPs in NSW, too.

Lolie fucked around with this message at 02:47 on May 18, 2021

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
At the moment the Australian government is saying we won't re-open our borders before mid-2022. That's getting significant pushback from the business and airline sectors, who maintain that we should not pursue a policy of elimination and that Australians will just have to learn to live with covid.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Helith posted:

Even weirder is that Scotty is sticking to his guns and resisting the pushback.
There must be significant polling that Aussies want to keep the border shut and stay covid free that he's paying attention to because it's coming up to election time and he wants to do a Mark McGowan.

He can't afford to piss off the voting public this close to an election. He already needs to overcome the negative impact loving up the vaccine rollout has had.

My reaction to anyone saying that we "just need to learn to live with covid" is fury, and I don't think that's an unusual reaction. Scotty has lost a significant amount of trust and goodwill in the last few months and regaining it will not be easy.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

People living in disability care accommodation were supposed to be vaxxed under stage 1A of the rollout but they've only gotten around to jabbing 4% of them so far even though most states have already moved on to stage 1B and NSW has opened up 2A
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-18/covid-19-vaccinations-borders-hrdlicka-steele-john-littleproud/100145526

I think the numbers for aged care facilities would be even worse, there's roughly 200,000 people living in aged care facilities and the federal vaxx program has vaxxed less than 5,000 people in care homes according to the reported stats: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/charting-australias-covid-vaccine-rollout/13197518?nw=0

It'd be instant political suicide if they opened up the borders and a nursing home or two got wiped out. Weirdly enough they don't seem to be in any loving hurry to push those numbers further along.

Littleproud is so out of touch with the sentiments of the average voter. I haven't come across anyone who is OK with the slowness of the rollout apart from a handful of politicians. In the community, people are pissed off about how slow and confusing it has all been and the fact that almost three months on so few of our most vulnerable people - the ones our federal government was organising vaccinations for - have been vaccinated. I'm going to guess that the third party providers who were contracted to carry out those immunisations didn't have targets and that they'll get paid no matter how long it takes for them to doing it.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

quote:

A nurse who administered just one vaccine in the course of an eight-hour shift at one of Victoria’s mass vaccination hubs says she is “furious” at the “snail’s pace” of the vaccine rollout.

The nurse said working in Australia was a drastically different experience to places such as the UK and US, where people were streaming through vaccination centre doors.

“During one eight-hour shift I gave just one vaccine, and I came out afterwards just fuming,” she told Guardian Australia. “It’s slow, it’s frustrating for the nurses, and it’s concerning that Australia seems to take this attitude of, ‘let’s just shut the borders for as long as possible’ while there is vaccine just sitting there.”

The nurse, who did not want her name used as employees are not allowed to speak to the media, said supply at the vaccine centre was not an issue – “there’s plenty,” she said. But people were not coming, she said. It was so slow that anyone who walked in without an appointment could get vaccinated even if they were not strictly in an eligible category, she said.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...amps-up-rollout

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

learnincurve posted:

There always was going to become a point where in the rich countries the vaccination supply stopped being a concern and the infrastructure for vaccination dictated the pace. Frankly I’m staggered that America with it’s fractured system is keeping pace with the NHS, and you got to give props to whoever decided to go “screw the insurance companies, let’s do this for free at any location that will have us”

I'm shocked that America's rollout has gone so well and appalled and embarrassed that our own has gone so badly.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

quote:

More than 1.5m Covid-19 vaccines – one in every four distributed – are sitting unused in clinics across the country, prompting calls for a “major campaign” to tackle vaccine hesitancy and revive the country’s immunisation program.

As the prime minister, Scott Morrison, dismissed concerns about a new survey that found about 30% of people were unlikely to get a vaccine, the peak medical association called for an urgent national campaign aimed at boosting the take-up rate.

But Morrison, who is facing mounting pressure to set a timetable for reopening the country’s borders pegged to a successful vaccination program, said he was “not overly troubled” by a new report in the Nine papers about growing vaccine hesitancy.

“We’ve obviously got to work on it, but that also says around 70% of people want to have it,” Morrison told 2GB.

“So let’s just get on with them: there’s plenty of time to have the chat with the others who are a bit hesitant, that’s alright, it’s a free country.”

According to government data, about 600,000 doses of Covid-19 are sitting unused across state-run clinics, with the Northern Territory and Queensland using the least amount of available doses at 58% and 64% respectively.

Tasmania has the highest dose utilisation rate at 90%, while Victoria, New South Wales, Western Australia and South Australia are all sitting at around 80%.

For the commonwealth primary care network, the dose utilisation rate is at 75%, with almost 1m doses – predominantly the AstraZeneca jabs – going unused.

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Chris Moy, the Australian Medical Association vice-president, said he believed that vaccine hesitancy was holding back the utilisation rate, along with recent changes made to the program that was requiring some recalibration among GP clinics.

He said there was some “lumpiness” in the program, which meant some areas were not getting the vaccinations needed, but across the board more needed to be done to revive a sense of “community spirit” over the program.

“There is definitely some vaccine hesitancy out there, and some people are cancelling their bookings,” Moy said.

“We are the victims of our own success, because we have no Covid and so people are not perceiving any risk,” he said.

He said there was also a “negative vibe” about the rollout and there needed to be a concerted effort made through a “major, clever” campaign to convince people to get vaccinated.

“We need to articulate the story of why you should be getting the vaccine. People need to understand that there is a tsunami of Covid out there and we are essentially sitting ducks, and the other big one is we are not going to open up until we get a significant amount of people vaccinated,” he said.

“And we need to get the community spirit back up, this is a community endeavour. I think people have been able to retreat to just looking after themselves, and I am really in despair at the moment about that.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/19/more-than-15m-covid-vaccines-sitting-unused-in-clinics-across-australia

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Fluffy Bunnies posted:

As much as I support the vaccine, I understand people that are hesitant (especially if they're worried about their job/being able to work for a few days). In the US they keep using celebrities to push it and I feel like that's the wrong way to go about it. If they used everyday folks, it'd help.

It's largely the government's fault.

At the beginning of the year people wanted the vaccine ASAP and were angry that the rollout wasn't planned to start until March. The government tried to deflect that anger by saying that we didn't need to hurry because we essentially had no community transmission. The clusterfucks which have happened since then have only served to make people who may have been highly motivated initially more reluctant because trust in anything the government says about vaccination is now pretty much shattered.

Even before the rollout started it was known that community leaders would play a big role in encouraging minority groups to get vaccinated, but I haven't seen the kinds of campaigns I would have expected. My doctor's surgery has big posters about all sorts of vaccinations on its walls, but only an A4 notice it has printed itself to say it's offering the covid vaccine. It's possible those types of materials were never produced because it was assumed he covid vaccine would "sell" itself.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

freebooter posted:

The single biggest issue is the government dis-recommending AZ based on a negligible blood clotting risk. I know plenty of boomers who have no issue with getting vaccinated but don't want to get AZ.

I had my AZ the day after the recommendation changed. Had I known then that I would be offered Pfizer the following month, I may have waited but at the time there was no talk of that (I am a boomer).

I concerns me that I'm not seeing many social media posts by people saying they've been vaccinated, and the majority of people on my friends list are eligible due to their age, underlying conditions, or their employment.

ABC is reporting that there's been a decline in flu vaccinations, too. Around 46 percent of people aged 18-64 have received their flu vaccination, down from 72 percent at this time last year. About 65 percent of people 65 and over have received their flu vaccination compared to 89 percent last year. Health authorities were already expecting a bad flu season this year, so the big fall in vaccination rates is alarming.

Lolie fucked around with this message at 22:37 on May 19, 2021

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

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AHH F/UGH posted:

I just know that eventually cases are going to get low enough where my work will be like "people can come back to the office now!"

I really do not want to go back to working in a loving office. I love working from home. I also do not want to get sick, even if there's like 10 cases per day in my state or whatever. I will literally find a new job that is remote before I go back to working in an office for 8.5 hours a day doing 30 minutes of actual work and 8 hours of pretending to work while my boss walks in and out of our department's cubicle space.

What's happened here is a lot of employers realising that they can save on overheads if they don't need to provide expensive office space for all of their employees five days per week, so a lot of employees are only going into the office once or twice a week.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

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Hippie Hedgehog posted:

I dunno about your particular library situation, but couldn't you come a long way by just mandating disposable gloves whenever handling ID cards or cash? I imagine that's the safest and cheapest way.

The security guards who log your photo ID at hospitals here just wear disposable gloves and they handle hundreds of cards daily. It should definitely be adequate in similar situations.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Today's "covid is coming" statement comes from the Australian Medical Association.

quote:

The president of the Australian Medical Association, Dr Omar Khorshid, has warned Covid “is coming” one way or another.

He said too many Australians assumed that because vaccination was under way and there was no community transmission, that would remain the case, with occasional short-lived lockdowns required should a hotel quarantine breach see the virus enter the community.

But he said: “Covid-19 is going to continue to come to Australia. Whether it’s through a breach of our quarantine or because we open the borders, it is coming.

“There is no way for Australia to avoid Covid unless we close ourselves off forever.

“But that’s that’s not going to be acceptable. So Covid will come, because there is just no way to eradicate this virus from the entire globe. There’s such vaccine inequity that we’re going to have virus hotspots, with huge amounts of devastating Covid for a long period of time.

“And we are going to have to manage that risk with open borders through mechanisms such as vaccination, quarantine, and a boosted health system which is going to have to learn to manage people with Covid.”

Khorshid said although many Australians would be vaccinated, new variants combined with possible waning immunity over time meant Australians could not expect there would never be outbreaks.

“From time to time it will happen, because once the virus comes into our community there’s going to be people who haven’t been vaccinated or who haven’t had an immune response to the vaccine,” he said.

“So we need to be able to have a health system able to manage the extra burden of disease that will come with Covid.

“And of course we haven’t had the flu for the last couple of years due to the measures we have had in place for Covid. So we also need to prepare the health system for a surge in those cases too, and to encourage flu vaccination.”

On Tuesday the AMA federal council warned that the health system was not prepared for a serious Covid outbreak. If Australia was to confidently reopen international borders, it needed to ensure a high proportion of Australians were vaccinated and that the public hospitals had sufficient surge capacity available to deal with future community outbreaks.

https://www.theguardian.com/austral...vid-crisis-hits

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

It's already here, there's an ongoing breakout in Melbourne's northern suburbs right now. Four members of a family have tested positive and the medical authorities are scrambling to contact trace the source of their infection, and have provided a list of exposure sites they visited at certain times and are asking anyone who also visited those sites to isolate and get tested. One of the sites was Highpoint shopping centre, one of the biggest malls in the state.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-24/victoria-four-covid-19-cases-in-melbourne-north/100160012

And then there were 5. They seem to think the latest case identified might actually be the source. Genomic testing shows all of the cases trace back to SA hotel quarantine, but the actual links are yet to be established.

I think we're going to see more cases where we're unable to determine the intermediate connections.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Melbourne cluster is now at nine.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Melbourne outbreak is now at 15. Had our vaccination rollout not been hosed up that number would be a little less concerning but it's worrying given all the circumstances.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

freebooter posted:

It loving well better be because I want to go on my holiday to the Kimberley in June.

I expect we're heading for a statewide lockdown tomorrow, especially since there's now contact sites in Bendigo and on the Murray.

The number of people seeking vaccination has dramatically increased since the start of the outbreak, so that's one good thing.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Melbourne outbreak is now at 26 and a lockdown is inevitable.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Victorians 40 and over are now eligible for vaccination and getting vaccinated is one of the valid reasons for leaving home during the lockdown.

So far, over 10,000 primary and secondary contacts have been identified and over 100 exposure sites across the state.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
The federal government here hasn't been tracking the number of aged care workers who are vaccinated and it's up to aged care workers to arrange their own vaccination. Brilliant strategy.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Yeah they're real bad at this
https://twitter.com/sallyjsara/status/1399143392995545089

Not only that, they haven't been tracking the number of people vaccinated in the country overall - we have a pretty good idea of how many doses have been put into arms in Australia but several states didn't bother recording how many of those were first doses and how many were second doses (and even the ones that did only started partway through the rollout) so :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-02/charting-australias-covid-vaccine-rollout/13197518?nw=0

Australia has done a lot of things right but we've also dropped the ball on some super super basic stuff, and a lot of our good results have been down to plain dumb luck


E: LOL wat are we doin
https://twitter.com/sallyjsara/status/1399174359978176514
We have a healthcare infrastructure which would have allowed us to be on top of this. It's infuriating that we are not.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Reports are coming in of aged care providers asking staff who are supposed to be at home isolating to come in and work. This is how our second wave became so lethal and it's time to name and shame.

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

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My Lovely Horse posted:

THE OMEGA VIRUS

It's already been done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Virus

There's a new hotel quarantine breach in Western Australia.

Lolie fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Jun 1, 2021

Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

AUSGBS Thread Mum
Victoria's lockdown has been extended by another week.

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Lolie
Jun 4, 2010

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Victoria doesn't have a sufficient supply of vaccine to meet the increased demand and people are being turned away.

Requests for additional allocations have been turned down by the same federal government which tried to blame people for not being vaccinated when this outbreak started.

Meanwhile, there are reports that Queensland has an over-supply.

I keep wondering when we'll reach a tipping point and voters will start calling for political scalps, but I suspect that people are too exhausted to muster any meaningful outrage.

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