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QuarkJets posted:No one's doom posting, we're talking about not treating vaccination as a magic elixir There are absolutely posters fantasizing about fully vaccinated but insufficiently strict people being punished for their sins with horrible new mutant variants, for example: Sjs00 posted:Hey when the Covid19 virus mutates into a no poo poo for real rabies/zombie virus you just let me know because you will encounter that poo poo before I will (if you go to the gym)
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:are they saying since march 2020? because according to NYT there were 26 deaths on St Patrick's Day 2020. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailytrendscases As of yesterday the US 7 day rolling average was 545 COVID deaths per day. That's the lowest it's been since the end of March 2020. Last year March 31st's rolling average was 457 per day and April 1st's was 552.
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May 17, 2021 23:56
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boar guy posted:does that make up for what a stupid open everything up rear end in a top hat he was last year? was pretty sweet watching the bloom of counties in ohio turning red from the south up as that jackass hosed everything up He's also trying to deny the extra unemployment benefit that the feds are giving out from the latest stimulus bill, he definitely sucks. But it seems like the lottery was a good idea at least! Anybody choosing not to get the shot probably understands probability poorly enough that they are exactly the kind of folks who a lottery could work on.
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May 18, 2021 16:37
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:They'll just buy the cards off ebay and lie and put numbers and "MODERNA" on it. I think most people who are vaccine hesitant are just lazy about it and I'm skeptical that those lazy people will decide it's easier to forge a vaccine card than to just get one.
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May 18, 2021 20:06
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Hollismason posted:Trump getting corona was kind of amusing If Trump's staff had let him do his idea of ripping open his dress shirt to reveal a Superman shirt underneath when he left the hospital, that would have been one of the funniest things of all time. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/10/trump-superman-shirt-surprise-hospital-coronavirus.html
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May 20, 2021 20:30
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MadJackal posted:95% effective protection means it’s pointless since “You can still get sick.” Most of the doomposters in this thread believe this as well.
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May 20, 2021 20:53
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:https://www.mayoclinic.org/coronavirus-covid-19/vaccine-tracker that's not what mayo says? Though numbers are continuing to track up so that's great. Mayo clinic is saying % of entire population, the tweet is saying % of adults.
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May 25, 2021 21:03
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WhiteHowler posted:Those vaccination maps are always fun because they tend to mirror political affiliation maps almost one-for-one. In Washington state, 2020 support for Trump predicts vaccination stats even better than hesitancy over other past vaccines does: https://www.inlander.com/spokane/we...nt?oid=21698379 
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May 25, 2021 21:51
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Platystemon posted:It’s not great for vaccine perceptions when people say that the vaccines provide complete and utter protection and then they open a newspaper and read about real, honest, breakthrough cases. It's also probably not great for vaccine perceptions when people imply that the vaccines provide barely any more protection that we had naturally. If the vaccines don't help, why should I bother?
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Jun 1, 2021 16:25
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boar guy posted:we just spent a year and a half being conditioned to avoid everyone and be paraonoid towards everyone. i think it's stupid to assume that everything is just going to immediately ramp back up to normal There's absolutely nothing wrong with being paranoid if someone wants to be. Personally I'm wearing a mask a lot more than the CDC says I should and still avoiding some activities that are probably quite safe. But I'm also admitting that I'm being a little irrational with some of that. Just as we should be honest that COVID is still a problem and hasn't gone away, we should be honest that fully vaccinated people really are living in a radically different safety environment than we were 2 or 6 or 12 months ago. gohuskies fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jun 1, 2021 |
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Jun 1, 2021 17:59
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I. M. Gei posted:I got a thing in the mail today... If that QR code went Never Gonna Give You Up that would actually be a pretty good rick roll.
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Jun 2, 2021 00:17
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CarlosTheDwarf posted:It is possible though that it would have fallen even steeper with the mask mandate in place. We''ll never know. Leonhardt makes the case further down in the thread that the mask mandate lifting *for fully vaccinated people* did help encourage vaccination. https://twitter.com/DLeonhardt/status/1400064946575228930 So is it worth trading a relatively small number of unvaccinated number of people going maskless in exchange for increasing the willingness to get vaccinated among the hesitant? Obviously the numbers of each side of the tradeoff matter a great deal and it's impossible to know for sure, but it seems to be working out at this point.
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Jun 3, 2021 16:16
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wilderthanmild posted:Basically, the argument is that while it didn't create much of a bump, it stopped the bleeding and leveled off? That chart is only in age 16+ so opening vaccinations to age 12-15 wouldn't make a difference, but yes it's difficult or impossible to guess how much vaccination is motivated by the "you can go mask-free" offer, how much is motivated by the other incentives like lotteries, and how much is just people finally deciding to do the right thing. This is all complicated enough that it's tough to know for sure, but the cases broadly declining as discussed up-thread suggests that while the approach taken may not have been the best possible, at least we can be reasonably sure it wasn't an actual failure either.
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Jun 3, 2021 16:48
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Seattle, where I live, is now the first US major city to have more than 70% of ages 12+ fully vaccinated:
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Jun 9, 2021 22:59
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My city can: Mayor: Seattle 1st major city to fully vaccinate 70% So does this mean I'm allowed to go to Hawaii?
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Jun 15, 2021 00:24
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MarcusSA posted:I thought I heard San Francisco hit it first? San Fran has more 1st shots done than Seattle, Seattle has more 2nd shots.
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Jun 15, 2021 00:47
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Seattle isn't 70% fully vaxxed. The eligible portion of Seattle's population may be 70% fully vaxxed but kids under 12 are still completely unvaxxed. (Kids also have lungs) Do you believe that I am safer or less safe than I was 6 months ago? I think I am safer but perhaps some people might think that my risk is still super high despite my own and my community's vaccination.
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Jun 15, 2021 05:17
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Space Camp fuckup posted:Check the fine print there, it depends on your insurance. I did some research on this for a client and as far as I could tell you have to pay out of pocket unless you get a referral from a doctor. It probably depends a lot on location because my city is still running testing sites free of charge.
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Jun 16, 2021 21:14
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Except people aren't taking them. When you have far fewer tests, of course you'll see a lower positive percentile. Because fewer people are taking them. Like, we talked about this this time last year and everyone agreed. I don't know why y'all have decided because it's not trump that things have changed. If anything far fewer tests should drive the positive percentage up, since people with symptoms are the most likely to take the test.
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Jun 16, 2021 21:56
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Scarodactyl posted:I don't want to sound incautious, but we knew we wouldn't get a good sense of how well the vaccines prevent asymptomatic spread until we'd actually rolled it out into the population since it's a lot harder to test that than the incidence of symptomatic cases. We're doing very well against COVID where I live. King County has 2.27 million residents and we've been under 100 cases per day continuously for the past two weeks, many days well below 100 cases. And we're still conducting 3000-4000 tests per day so it's not like we aren't testing for it, our positivity rate is below 2%. gohuskies fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Jun 23, 2021 |
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Jun 23, 2021 21:41
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Sjs00 posted:So confession time. I went to a 4 hour class for a CC and masking was bad, this was Tuesday. The incubation time from exposure to symptoms is supposed to be 2-14 days so it would be pretty unusual for a headache 24-36 hours after exposure to be caused by COVID. It's not impossible but I would guess more likely than not that you do not have COVID, especially as a fully vaxxed person. Nothing wrong with being sure if you want though.
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Jun 24, 2021 17:59
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Another Bill posted:There are places it's effectively over, the United States ain't one of them. The city of Seattle has a population of 724k and our 7 day rolling average is 17.6 cases per day as of 6/21. 2.5 cases per 100k population is about as over as COVID might ever be. I'm still wearing a mask at the grocery store, but I'm not scared or nervous even a little bit unless/until something dramatically changes.
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Jun 25, 2021 16:38
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MarcusSA posted:What does NPI mean in this instance? NPI = non pharmaceutical interventions, aka stuff other than vaccines like requiring masks, restrictions on activities/events/gatherings, etc.
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Jun 28, 2021 23:17
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goddamnedtwisto posted:We eliminated smallpox and (until the CIA hosed it all up) were extremely close to eliminating polio with vaccines with 60-70% efficacy. Current measles vaccines are also only around 80%, and measles is a *lot* more contagious than covid, and we still have it basically suppressed in the west even with terrible uptake. Ending smallpox also took many decades. We started doing smallpox vaccinations in the early 1800s, the WHO leaned in on global eradication efforts in 1950s and 60s, and it took about another 20 years from then. The idea that COVID could be truly eradicated in the short term is not particularly realistic. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, obviously stopping it where and when we can is really good, but it's not like we could end this forever if everyone would just agree to another 3-4 month lockdown and everyone agrees "let's really stick to it this time, guys". COVID is going to exist for awhile no matter what we do.
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Platystemon posted:Children are people, my friend. Which is probably why their post said 70% of eligible people.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Haha yeah burying shitloads of people for years to come is gonna be great for my and everyone else's mental health, especially if this variant likes babies as much as it seems to. Hate to tell you this but 2.8 million Americans died in 2019 before COVID happened. Even if we did the perfect lockdown and COVID went away forever, there is no universe in which we are not burying shitloads of people for years to come. Clearly you are having some trauma associated with the funeral work that you are volunteering for and you should consider not doing it anymore if it's this hard on you.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It's actually genuinely difficult to get a handle on how bad the Lambda variant could be because Peru has been absolutely turbofucked throughout the entire pandemic and the variant hasn't made much headway in other countries yet How many people in Peru are vaccinated? Obviously nobody in 2020, but affecting the curve in the past few months. gohuskies fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jul 7, 2021 |
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Currently 10.1% fully vaxxed + 4.2% first shot. They started early Feb with one million doses of Sinopharm and then about 3 million Pfizer and 300k AstraZeneca in early May. I suppose it'll be several months before we have any clue how Lambda might interact with vaccines then. We don't even know much for sure about Delta yet.
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Jul 7, 2021 06:41
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Chikimiki posted:Goddamn we are never getting rid of this poo poo, right? We'll be stuck forever in this hellworld where everything fun is forbidden and/or highly dangerous, but on the flipside we'll still be able to work for scraps and play vidyagames in the little free time we have left! This is true whether COVID is a thing or not.
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AEMINAL posted:I know but there was a very detailed one once posted, like how many people got infected x days after their first shot. How much protection was provided etc. This is for wild type IIRC and Delta is supposed to do better if you only have one shot so maybe this is out of date, but it really is around 14 days that it starts working. 
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7of7 posted:The semantics are really something these days. Nobody vaccinated has been hospitalized in LA but that doesn't mean nobody has been infected or ill. Sure but "infected or ill" isn't necessarily a serious problem. It could be, but vaccination appears to make a difference there. I'd prefer not to get infected at all but it's not the end of the world if I get infected with no symptoms or minor short term symptoms. If getting COVID means there's a legitimate chance I go to the hospital, that's a big problem. If getting COVID means I'm fatigued for a couple days and have a cough but that's it, that's not a huge deal for me. It appears that vaccination makes the latter case far more likely and it's dishonest not to acknowledge those differences in hospitalization.
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7of7 posted:The original quote in the BNO tweet said vaccination was preventing infection and illness, something that’s clearly not always the case as the article I linked showed. I read the point of the tweet being where it said that "None of the county-operated hospitals in Los Angeles County have admitted a single COVID-19 patient who was fully vaccinated" which is to say that the vaccines reduce hospitalization. And the article you linked agrees, saying that "None of the workers infected were hospitalized, nor were there any fatalities." That matters.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Wait, what? This is the first I'm hearing that each person has a "good chance" of long Covid or long term implications. Source for this? Part of the problem is that "long COVID" and "long term implications" are poorly defined. There are long COVID cases that are like, extra fatigue and difficulty exercising for a few months after it ends, which is a bummer but not life-changing, and then people with actually really scary and serious long term symptoms around brain fog and etc. They really probably shouldn't be lumped under the same term. More people get the former than the latter.
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numberoneposter posted:whats a ligma? lmao
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Zugzwang posted:
We know very little about long covid and delta and vaccination for better or worse. The low death rate certainly doesn't mean we have no cause for alarm, we absolutely need to err on the side of safety, but frankly I think it's better evidence than the people calling COVID "airborne Parkinson's" do.
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WhiteHowler posted:If/when Tucker Carlson dies drowning in his own phlegm in a COVID ward, I hope it's televised. I would bet every dollar I have Carlson is vaccinated. Fox News even has their own vaccine passport system for staff: https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/19/media/fox-vaccine-passport/index.html
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ghouldaddy07 posted:How come your Pfizer doses were so close together? The standard in the US was usually 3 weeks apart.
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Blooster posted:My 6 year old son's school is filled with anti-mask chuds (well, the parents are I mean). I think "up to" is doing a lot of work there in saying that "up to 30% of children" will have long term symptoms. Not only is long COVID not at all well defined, spanning from "a little under the weather for 3 months" to "your life is significantly impacted" but we don't know much about incidence and severity of long term COVID in the general population much less kids specifically. I don't think we can say anything definitive at all about kids getting long COVID except that ideally they wouldn't want to get COVID at all in the first place.
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Fluffy Bunnies posted:Then break it down for them instead of purposely endangering people when the vaccines are not able to combat this by simply being vaccinated alone. I'm sorry but COVID isn't going away any time soon. We all wish it would but it isn't. It wouldn't go away even if Joe Biden got replaced as president by the collective consciousness of this thread. This funeral position that you have said you are VOLUNTEERING for is clearly really bad for your mental health, not sustainable, and I'd advise you to stop doing it.
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Speaking as somebody who is nervous about COVID and masking indoors but not as doomer as most posters in this thread, I thought this was a well-written post that digs into the risks of COVID and long COVID (and actual serious long COVID) for a vaccinated person. https://www.mattbell.us/delta-and-long-covid/ For other folks like me who are don't have personal risk factors, don't have old people or kids to worry about, and just want to stay safe, I thought this was a good post that explains the very real risks that we still face without exaggeration. I encourage folks to check it out.
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