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learnincurve posted:Yeh everyone’s going to get a booster along with the flu shot, and masks on public transport is never going away. “Basic hygiene” for the flu was understood to be clean hands. It turns out that’s really not a major mode of SARS‐CoV‐2 transmission and there is every reason to suspect that the flu is the same way. The two effective ways to avoid the flu were getting vaccinated and not hanging out with a bunch of people indoors. All the teachers with the hand sanitiser habit just got lucky. Maybe some will wear masks now, but that was never a thing before because our understanding of “basic hygiene” was woefully inaccurate.
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the holy poopacy posted:I thought masks weren't actually terribly effective for the flu, and that was what caused all the messaging fuckups at the start of the pandemic until it turned out that the masks actually did something for covid-19. If masks are ineffective for the flu, why have healthcare workers who have not received the influenza vaccine long been required to wear them six months out of the year?
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May 6, 2021 04:52
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Redgrendel2001 posted:This is false. It is true. quote:The long-range airborne, fomite and close contact routes contribute to 54.3%, 4.2% and 44.5% of influenza A infections, respectively. For the fomite route, 59.8%, 38.1% and 2.1% https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6121424/
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May 6, 2021 04:53
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Redgrendel2001 posted:Lol. We've known aerosol transmission is the dominant vector for a long time. That's not the point. I responded to a statement that “if we had done basic hygiene before this then most of those flu deaths were preventable as well.” Which is is? Most flu deaths were preventable with basic hygiene, or basic hygiene was already in effect and that’s the reason fomites didn’t place higher? I realize I’m talking to two different people here, but you can’t both be right. Ugly In The Morning posted:4.2 is a lot higher than 1 in 10,000 like it is with SARS-CoV-2. It’s not a huge source of infections but it is still there in a non-trivial amount, and that article even mentions use of hand washing and disinfection to limit spread. You’ll find plenty of articles even today mentioning the use of hand washing and disinfection to limit the spread of COVID‐19. I also wouldn’t take either of those numbers as gospel. We are watching a paradigm shift in progress. A lot of textbooks will read differently in a few years.
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May 6, 2021 05:11
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Warm weather and school breaks will put enough of a damper on it that the big wave will come in the fall. I’m not saying “oh it will just go away in the summer”. I am saying that those two factors are stronger than any current government action and that people will be caught unawares when those non-pharmaceutical non-interventions end and Rt shifts accordingly.
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May 6, 2021 21:48
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One weird trick to save literal pence in contact tracing (original idea; do not steal): Only trace half the cases. The half of people who got traced will defend your honour against the other half.
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May 6, 2021 22:14
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Seychelles island managed to get their population of 98,000 residents 60% vaxxed and then declared that the pandemic was over as far as they were concerned and threw open their borders to any tourist who could show a negative PCR test from the 72 hours before arrival, no vaccine and no quarantine required. That didn't go well for them, with a sudden surge in cases forcing them to close schools and ban sports etc etc.. drat. That’s a shame. I want to visit the Seychelles someday, but not during a global pandemic and especially not when there’s a lit sign saying “WELCOME WORLD‐CLASS IDIOTS!”
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May 7, 2021 02:48
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:He not only got the game cancelled, he got the entire NBA season cancelled (and the NHL, MLB and MLS followed soon after). But that chain of events was also what convinced a huge percentage of the US population that this virus thing is actually pretty serious and they should stop loving around with it so in a weird roundabout way Gobert's dumb stunt probably saved a lot of lives. “What if Gobert hadn’t tested positive?” and “What if Tom Hanks’ illness had been more severe?” are good counterfactual prompts.
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May 7, 2021 03:07
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That’s an IHME estimate and I don’t think it can be true because it significantly exceeds measures of excess deaths. It is possible for the real COVID toll to exceed excess deaths because traffic fatalities and such went down, but is there that much room for it to increase?
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May 7, 2021 03:23
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I wonder if people who got only one shot and wimped out will be less subject to original antigenic sin if they later get mRNA-1273.351 or another vaccine targeting a mutant spike. It is of course a foolish thing to do, but I’m curious.
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May 7, 2021 23:50
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Yeah the true asymptomatic rate isn’t ninety percent. It’s probably under a third. What are the implications? Asymptomatic versus presymptomatic versus paucisymptomatic is a distinction without a difference to most people. What matters is that it’s possible to spread the virus without believing oneself to be unwell. The argument and retraction over the German case study early last year did a lot of damage, similar to the persistent litigation over “airborne”.
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May 8, 2021 13:47
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Chronic illnesses kill people all the time.
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May 9, 2021 00:27
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The Daily podcast from New York Times, of all places, is preparing America for a future where herd immunity is out of reach, where the disease ravages the country for generations, surging and ebbing repeatedly. Don’t worry, “it doesn’t have to be a dire thing. We’re just changing what we consider to be our goal.” He’s the transcript of a good portion of last Friday’s episode. Background is that Michael Barbaro is the host and uninformed viewer surrogate. Apoorva Mandavilli is a credible reporter who talked to a bunch of experts as well as Anthony Fauci. Sidenote: In asking “why didn’t they have their usual plague reporter on?”, I learned that that guy, Donald G. McNeil Jr., was forced out of the paper over an N‐word incident. quote:Michael Barbaro https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/07/podcasts/the-daily/coronavirus-herd-immunity-vaccine.html?showTranscript=1
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May 10, 2021 09:48
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I assume that Learnincurve didn’t read that in the two minutes between when I posted and she did, and her post is a response to yours.
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May 10, 2021 09:58
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Galewolf posted:Correct me if I'm getting wrong but do Murica actually paywall the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines? Like, please tell me that's not the case. No. The pharmacist was just saying that they happen to have Johnson & Johnson’s. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 14:13 on May 10, 2021 |
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May 10, 2021 13:55
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Deep Glove Bruno posted:Can any fellow Britischer swine tell me why I got offered a vaccine appointment this week in London? I am not 40+, and I have no risk factors I am aware of... got me worried my GP knows something I don't Maybe the records have you as under two centimetres tall and several thousand BMI.
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May 10, 2021 21:19
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freebooter posted:I want this to be the case going forward as well. No docudramas, no period pieces, no thank you - let's just all memory hole this loving year forever. We’re memoryholing it, but only in the history books. No lessons will be learned, but you will have to suffer terrible pop culture depictions of it forever.
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May 12, 2021 11:39
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Lolie posted:Australia seems to have settled on Moderna as the booster if choice for next year. I think it’s a good decision. I like Moderna’s mRNA-1273.351 booster and general strategy.
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May 13, 2021 09:50
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Bape Culture posted:Why does it have some sort of resistance if it still has the spikes which we can gently caress up with the vaccine?? I don’t get how it works. Like how can it be more resistant if your white blood cells are still walking up to it like connor mcgregor and pulling its skin off? It has modified spikes. They still bind to the same parts of our cells, but they’re different enough that some of the antibodies you make may not bind to them well.
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May 13, 2021 16:25
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Woof Blitzer posted:I’m still wearing my mask. gently caress em. Thug life A licensed therapist is inbound to treat your cave syndrome. Please do not resist, citizen.
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May 14, 2021 02:33
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The government will pay them for vaccinating you, but at least some insurance companies pay better, so it behooves them to ask.
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May 14, 2021 03:19
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 Capped for future archæologists. Some activities are more safest than others.
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May 14, 2021 06:46
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But we’re still pretending the J&J is GTG at two weeks because we hate science.
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May 14, 2021 08:02
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Pistol_Pete posted:I'm not overly concerned about the 'Indian' variant This, but the entire Wuhan coronavirus. poo poo’s going to fizzle out like SARS, ebola, swine flu, zika.
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May 14, 2021 11:22
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Is the two‐week interval between doses just for Pfizer’s vaccine or Oxford’s as well? e: This is the only place I find a reference to two weeks: quote:Prof Hunter said there was "possibly" a case for targeting vaccines in certain areas - but jabs took two to three weeks to work. This would mean diverting doses from other areas, where the Indian variant could also soon be spreading. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57109660  Great timing. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 12:56 on May 14, 2021 |
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May 14, 2021 12:51
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Sjs00 posted:I am going to make a special offer for the thread. I will personally, on a busy night like tonight, go to the bar scene at 11pm or so and conduct as many short in person interviews as I can on why they aren't getting vaxed (audio only) Please don’t threaten self‐harm.
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May 14, 2021 14:19
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Sjs00 posted:You would know all bout antagonizing people 
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May 14, 2021 14:32
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This seems like the kinda guy who would hate “bra burning” feminists.
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May 14, 2021 15:42
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Meanwhile, in professional sports (one of the last places where everyone is still being regularly tested) Were they fully vaccinated [Lionel Hutz shaking head] or fully vaccinated [Lionel Hutz nodding]?
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May 15, 2021 01:20
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Charliegrs posted:God help us if there starts to be an uptick in cases after the CDCs idiotic decision today because there's no way they are going to reverse the decision and even if they did the cats out of the bag people won't be putting their masks back on. CDC read some literature from nuclear hawks and this is their plan to “escalate to deescalate”. Make conditions worse than ever by lifting all public health measures, and use those bad conditions to scare America straight. I don’t seriously believe in the narrative I just laid out, but it makes more sense than all the water-carrying I hear about “CDC is doing this as a carrot for the unvaccinated! They must have had secret focus groups! Trust the science!”
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May 15, 2021 01:57
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Saros posted:The advice was specifically for NSAID's, Ibuprofen and Aspirin being the ones people are likely have on hand. It's theoretically possible that suppressing inflammation will reduce the effectiveness of the immune response to the vaccine. Paracetamol or whatever is gonna be fine Yeah it’s totally plausible that it’s harmful and they kept track of it in the studies in case it was a dealbreaker. It wasn’t a dealbreaker—about half of Pfizer’s vaccine arm took NSAIDs after their second dose—but it’s not something that “makes absolutely no sense”. Take pain medication if you need it, don’t take it if you don’t. Don’t pregame because you definitely don’t have need of it before the injection. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 09:07 on May 15, 2021 |
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May 15, 2021 09:00
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WombatCyborg posted:I know here in NY at least they give vaccination certification cards out when the give it. Could be faked I guess but that's always possible. They have already been sold on eBay, both “replicas” and the pilfered real deal.
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May 15, 2021 15:26
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Rescue Toaster posted:But if work starts calling people back in I'm not sure what I'll do. Ask for accommodation of your disability.
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May 16, 2021 00:59
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Green Nail Polish posted:This isn't true at all. The vaccines greatly reduce the chance that you will contract Covid-19, and if you do get it, they even more greatly reduce the chance that you will get sick, and they even more MORE greatly reduce the chance you will be hospitalized. The odds don’t stack like that. Given the symptom reduction ratio, the reduction in deaths is only about half. This is good. There could have been no additional reduction in deaths, or the vaccine could even have reduced deaths at a lower proportion than it reduced symptoms, but let’s not overstate things. If you are vaccinated, symptomatic, and test positive for COVID-19, you are in a substantially worse position than you would be with the flu.
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May 17, 2021 00:04
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Castaign posted:It's kind of weird. If I read "this confers immunity" I automatically parse it as "this confers some level of immunity." But if I read someone stating "I am immune to X" I would parse that as "I am 100% immune to X." It’s a case of science borrowing normal words and using them in ways that is vaguely suggestive of but not at all the same as their general meaning. It’s the “tomato is a fruit” problem. If I say “Superman is immune to bullets”, no one expects that if the bad guys shoot him a dozen times, one bullet will go right through and mortally wound him.
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May 17, 2021 00:10
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mikemil828 posted:https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/past-breakthrough-data.html Donald Trump used statistics more accurately and more honestly.
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May 17, 2021 00:59
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Lolie posted:Is this just a matter of people not understanding how vaccines and immunity in general work, because we seem to accept that other vaccines aren't 100% effective and we should be celebrating that vaccines as effective as these have been developed in such a short period of time. We did at one point accept that vaccines are not one hundred percent effective and that they were merely a powerful tool in the struggle against pestilence. Then they suddenly became an end into themselves and if you have a problem with that, you’re an antivaxxer or a nonperson like a kid or a cancer patient.
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May 17, 2021 01:27
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Platystemon posted:Every loving time they make some dumbshit rec, people come out of the woodwork to defend it as “they’ve got to sweeten the pot for compliance!” and then whoopsie-doodle, the CDC has to walk it back a week later and they look like fools.
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They’ve walked this back in the same way they’ve walked everything else back: by making excuses, by blaming others, by playing games with definitions. They never say “we erred”. In her interview with Raddatz, Walensky: Has a moment of celebration for a job well done. Excuses CDC’s failure to give warning to Congress, state and local health authorities, and institutions as “I told the American people we would deliver the science as soon as we had it”. This is a defense for a rogue information broker like Julian Assange, not a trusted public health authority. Responds to Raddatz’ prompt of “this is all on the honor system, and there are people who refuse to get vaccinate, about a quarter of the country, and who oppose mask‐wearing, and who could see this as a green light to go wherever they want, putting others at risk, especially in those indoor settings, including children and the immunocompromised” with quote:So, umm, this is a really important point, and that is, the guidance that we released on Thursday is about individuals and what individuals are at risk of doing if they are not vaccinated. If they are vaccinated they are safe. If they are not vaccinated they are not safe; they should still be wearing a mask or, better yet, get vaccinated. If these decisions have to be made on a community level, shouldn’t you have given community leaders advance guidance on how to handle this new information? It demonstrably did not go well. We could blame scores of local leaders around the country for fumbling, or we could look at the one thing they all have in common: CDC gave them a bad throw.
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